Size of Avg. US home over time

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]I have to agree with AN here. In the 80’s I lived downtown and commuted to Oceanside. This was before a lot of businesses moved to Carlsbad and it was definitely a reverse commute. I went 40 miles in 40 minutes because it was a 95% freeway commute and the freeway moved in my direction and was a parking lot in the opposite direction.

That changed signficantly in the 90’s… It’s now a parking lot in both directions during commute times. I have friends who live in my neighborhood (University City) where one person commutes to Carlsbad – it’s NOT a reverse commute – it’s stop and go traffic as they head north in the morning, and south in the evening. My husband had a job near El Camino and Carmel Valley Rd in 2001/2002… it took him 30 minutes to go less than 10 miles because of traffic.[/quote]

UCGal, I too commuted for six months from the downtown area on the 5 to SV for a temporary assignment when there were only 3 companies on SV Rd which was a dead end. The year was 1980. All the traffic was coming towards dtn in the a.m. About 1-2x month I currently leave for dtn about 7:30 a.m. on the 5, get into the typical NC jam and about 7:50 to 7:55, make a turnoff onto northbound 163 (bottleneck ramp in Balboa Park). Once I enter 163 just before 8:00 a.m. it is clear going northbound and a parking lot going southbound getting into dtn. I either exit Genessee East or Clairemont Mesa East and the northbound side of 163 moves all the way.

As to the 5, there are few jobs in Old Town, Mission Bay area and La Jolla (NOT UTC) and very few commuters emanating from those areas and Pt. Loma, OB (retired).

Navy workers going to Pt. Loma typically take Harbor Dr. to Nimitz to Rosecrans (surface sts).

Where does the northbound 5/163 start to hang up in the morning? If this “parking lot” doesn’t begin until UTC, then it really doesn’t affect me. It’s just a function of a lot of worker-commuters living in UTC area (a very dense environment) :=)

[UCGal]

bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.

[UCGal]

bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.

[UCGal]

bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.

[UCGal]

bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.

[UCGal]

bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.[/quote]

Yes, I didn’t include 805 northbound because now 80,000+ “captive-audience worker-bees” emanating from Chula Vista annexations within the last ten years use this road during rush hour. Another 20,000 or so (who can afford to pay the toll) are on SR-125 northbound. I, too, remember when the 805 came thru Nat’l City and Chula Vista.

Chula (and parts of Otay Mesa East) has grown from 53K pop in 1986 to about 273K pop today. I do agree that there are now more job centers to the north.

I would not classify Kensington as the ‘burbs.” Yes, it is a VERY nice area to grow up in, even today and would be a VERY good investment, esp. at the right price. Hoover and Crawford are NOT among the top rated HS’s, however. There is always OLP and St. Augustine (for a rigorous Catholic college-prep curriculum) or “choice availability” to SD High (IB prog) or Henry High. Really, even more possibilities exist than that, depending on eligibility.

I DO think there are many wonderful family neighborhoods within SD’s urban core, but not necessarily dtn condos.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.[/quote]

Yes, I didn’t include 805 northbound because now 80,000+ “captive-audience worker-bees” emanating from Chula Vista annexations within the last ten years use this road during rush hour. Another 20,000 or so (who can afford to pay the toll) are on SR-125 northbound. I, too, remember when the 805 came thru Nat’l City and Chula Vista.

Chula (and parts of Otay Mesa East) has grown from 53K pop in 1986 to about 273K pop today. I do agree that there are now more job centers to the north.

I would not classify Kensington as the ‘burbs.” Yes, it is a VERY nice area to grow up in, even today and would be a VERY good investment, esp. at the right price. Hoover and Crawford are NOT among the top rated HS’s, however. There is always OLP and St. Augustine (for a rigorous Catholic college-prep curriculum) or “choice availability” to SD High (IB prog) or Henry High. Really, even more possibilities exist than that, depending on eligibility.

I DO think there are many wonderful family neighborhoods within SD’s urban core, but not necessarily dtn condos.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.[/quote]

Yes, I didn’t include 805 northbound because now 80,000+ “captive-audience worker-bees” emanating from Chula Vista annexations within the last ten years use this road during rush hour. Another 20,000 or so (who can afford to pay the toll) are on SR-125 northbound. I, too, remember when the 805 came thru Nat’l City and Chula Vista.

Chula (and parts of Otay Mesa East) has grown from 53K pop in 1986 to about 273K pop today. I do agree that there are now more job centers to the north.

I would not classify Kensington as the ‘burbs.” Yes, it is a VERY nice area to grow up in, even today and would be a VERY good investment, esp. at the right price. Hoover and Crawford are NOT among the top rated HS’s, however. There is always OLP and St. Augustine (for a rigorous Catholic college-prep curriculum) or “choice availability” to SD High (IB prog) or Henry High. Really, even more possibilities exist than that, depending on eligibility.

I DO think there are many wonderful family neighborhoods within SD’s urban core, but not necessarily dtn condos.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.[/quote]

Yes, I didn’t include 805 northbound because now 80,000+ “captive-audience worker-bees” emanating from Chula Vista annexations within the last ten years use this road during rush hour. Another 20,000 or so (who can afford to pay the toll) are on SR-125 northbound. I, too, remember when the 805 came thru Nat’l City and Chula Vista.

Chula (and parts of Otay Mesa East) has grown from 53K pop in 1986 to about 273K pop today. I do agree that there are now more job centers to the north.

I would not classify Kensington as the ‘burbs.” Yes, it is a VERY nice area to grow up in, even today and would be a VERY good investment, esp. at the right price. Hoover and Crawford are NOT among the top rated HS’s, however. There is always OLP and St. Augustine (for a rigorous Catholic college-prep curriculum) or “choice availability” to SD High (IB prog) or Henry High. Really, even more possibilities exist than that, depending on eligibility.

I DO think there are many wonderful family neighborhoods within SD’s urban core, but not necessarily dtn condos.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]bg – the comment on traffic was on the assertion that brian keeps making that families should move to the city. (Which he has defined pretty much as downtown – since he considers kensington to be the burbs). Then you made a comment that people could live in the city and commute north.

My point was that there *used* to be a reverse commute to northern burbs – but not anymore. The 805 corridor backs up, northbound, in the morning south of 52. The 5 corridor backs up around PB/Balboa, north bound, in the morning.

Times change and so do demographics. When my parents purchased our house in UC in 1966 it was truly “the sticks”. 2 freeways later (52 and 805 came after we moved in) it’s considered very close in, very central. In the past the 15 corridor was sleepy bedroom communities – now it’s got job centers.[/quote]

Yes, I didn’t include 805 northbound because now 80,000+ “captive-audience worker-bees” emanating from Chula Vista annexations within the last ten years use this road during rush hour. Another 20,000 or so (who can afford to pay the toll) are on SR-125 northbound. I, too, remember when the 805 came thru Nat’l City and Chula Vista.

Chula (and parts of Otay Mesa East) has grown from 53K pop in 1986 to about 273K pop today. I do agree that there are now more job centers to the north.

I would not classify Kensington as the ‘burbs.” Yes, it is a VERY nice area to grow up in, even today and would be a VERY good investment, esp. at the right price. Hoover and Crawford are NOT among the top rated HS’s, however. There is always OLP and St. Augustine (for a rigorous Catholic college-prep curriculum) or “choice availability” to SD High (IB prog) or Henry High. Really, even more possibilities exist than that, depending on eligibility.

I DO think there are many wonderful family neighborhoods within SD’s urban core, but not necessarily dtn condos.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=sdduuuude]Not in Clairemont. If they fill their garages with junk, where would they hang out with the guys and watch football ?

Lots of garages-turned-TV-rooms around here.[/quote]

HAHHAAHAHAHA!

Why don’t you tell them what you did with your garage! Mr. Pot!

CE[/quote]

Just seeing this now – were you talking to me ? Pot? While I do have a fairly optimal pot-growing space under my garage, that just isn’t “me.” More likely to put in a still.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=sdduuuude]Not in Clairemont. If they fill their garages with junk, where would they hang out with the guys and watch football ?

Lots of garages-turned-TV-rooms around here.[/quote]

HAHHAAHAHAHA!

Why don’t you tell them what you did with your garage! Mr. Pot!

CE[/quote]

Just seeing this now – were you talking to me ? Pot? While I do have a fairly optimal pot-growing space under my garage, that just isn’t “me.” More likely to put in a still.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=sdduuuude]Not in Clairemont. If they fill their garages with junk, where would they hang out with the guys and watch football ?

Lots of garages-turned-TV-rooms around here.[/quote]

HAHHAAHAHAHA!

Why don’t you tell them what you did with your garage! Mr. Pot!

CE[/quote]

Just seeing this now – were you talking to me ? Pot? While I do have a fairly optimal pot-growing space under my garage, that just isn’t “me.” More likely to put in a still.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=sdduuuude]Not in Clairemont. If they fill their garages with junk, where would they hang out with the guys and watch football ?

Lots of garages-turned-TV-rooms around here.[/quote]

HAHHAAHAHAHA!

Why don’t you tell them what you did with your garage! Mr. Pot!

CE[/quote]

Just seeing this now – were you talking to me ? Pot? While I do have a fairly optimal pot-growing space under my garage, that just isn’t “me.” More likely to put in a still.

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