Size of Avg. US home over time

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Russell]
….And stop knocking rednecks,flat landers, or whatever, B. Not everybody wants to stay in the city and earn brownie points competing in the international rat race you express so much love for….And while we are at “renewal” let’s knock down Clairemont.[/quote]

Russell, I’m a city boy but I do very well in the country also. I can be a cowboy and I’m not averse to mucking horse manure or cleaning the barn. The smell doesn’t bother me one bit. If you give me a live chicken, I’m perfectly capable of chopping its head, plucking it and preparing dinner.

I just believe that it’s good to have an international outlook in today’s globalized world. I know that interests tend to be local but having a locally focused mind is very limiting, IMHO.[/quote]

We don’t clean chickens that way anymore,Brian.

You cut their heads off,hang them warm, chest high on some frame by a string around their necks and pull the skin downward until it’s hanging from the egg/poop producing area. Then you incise them and rip the guts out. Throw it in the pot. That’s how us progressives do it anyway.

On the other point you make, I agree with you to a degree…and also with those of us who say that simplicity with or without ignorance could be more fullfilling for lots of us.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
I have to agree with AN here. [/quote]

I also agree with AN and UCGal. Commuting is not to and from downtown anymore.

But still, I believe that people would rather buy new than old. That’s why over time, the old neighborhoods are abandoned for the new cities and suburbs. Granted, redevelopment has stopped that to some extent since the late 1990s; but families with kids are still not moving back to the city.

We need to find ways to get families to move back to the city and abandon the suburban myth. It’s interesting to me that in Europe, families prefer to live in the urban core.

IMHO, it’s better to rebuild and renew the infrastructure we already have than sprawling out to new raw land.

Maybe $10 gas will do that.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
I have to agree with AN here. [/quote]

I also agree with AN and UCGal. Commuting is not to and from downtown anymore.

But still, I believe that people would rather buy new than old. That’s why over time, the old neighborhoods are abandoned for the new cities and suburbs. Granted, redevelopment has stopped that to some extent since the late 1990s; but families with kids are still not moving back to the city.

We need to find ways to get families to move back to the city and abandon the suburban myth. It’s interesting to me that in Europe, families prefer to live in the urban core.

IMHO, it’s better to rebuild and renew the infrastructure we already have than sprawling out to new raw land.

Maybe $10 gas will do that.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
I have to agree with AN here. [/quote]

I also agree with AN and UCGal. Commuting is not to and from downtown anymore.

But still, I believe that people would rather buy new than old. That’s why over time, the old neighborhoods are abandoned for the new cities and suburbs. Granted, redevelopment has stopped that to some extent since the late 1990s; but families with kids are still not moving back to the city.

We need to find ways to get families to move back to the city and abandon the suburban myth. It’s interesting to me that in Europe, families prefer to live in the urban core.

IMHO, it’s better to rebuild and renew the infrastructure we already have than sprawling out to new raw land.

Maybe $10 gas will do that.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
I have to agree with AN here. [/quote]

I also agree with AN and UCGal. Commuting is not to and from downtown anymore.

But still, I believe that people would rather buy new than old. That’s why over time, the old neighborhoods are abandoned for the new cities and suburbs. Granted, redevelopment has stopped that to some extent since the late 1990s; but families with kids are still not moving back to the city.

We need to find ways to get families to move back to the city and abandon the suburban myth. It’s interesting to me that in Europe, families prefer to live in the urban core.

IMHO, it’s better to rebuild and renew the infrastructure we already have than sprawling out to new raw land.

Maybe $10 gas will do that.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]
I have to agree with AN here. [/quote]

I also agree with AN and UCGal. Commuting is not to and from downtown anymore.

But still, I believe that people would rather buy new than old. That’s why over time, the old neighborhoods are abandoned for the new cities and suburbs. Granted, redevelopment has stopped that to some extent since the late 1990s; but families with kids are still not moving back to the city.

We need to find ways to get families to move back to the city and abandon the suburban myth. It’s interesting to me that in Europe, families prefer to live in the urban core.

IMHO, it’s better to rebuild and renew the infrastructure we already have than sprawling out to new raw land.

Maybe $10 gas will do that.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN] . . . Yep yep yep, location location location is the key. Buy as much lot as you can at the best location you can. That’s why I rather get a 1000 sq-ft house on a 5000 sq-ft lot in Del mar with an ocean view than a big house on 1+ acre in Chula Vista or Escondido.[/quote]

AN, I implore you then to GO BUY that 5000 sf lot property in Del Mar . . . and make sure it’s NOT a condo and west of the 5. Actually, you should do it while the prices/interest rates are down if this is your dream . . . ASAP. You may never get another chance in your lifetime!

I’ll just stay in my “affordable” large house on a 7000-ish sf lot in Chula and you can send me a postcard. And . . . GOOD LUCK to you ;=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN] . . . Yep yep yep, location location location is the key. Buy as much lot as you can at the best location you can. That’s why I rather get a 1000 sq-ft house on a 5000 sq-ft lot in Del mar with an ocean view than a big house on 1+ acre in Chula Vista or Escondido.[/quote]

AN, I implore you then to GO BUY that 5000 sf lot property in Del Mar . . . and make sure it’s NOT a condo and west of the 5. Actually, you should do it while the prices/interest rates are down if this is your dream . . . ASAP. You may never get another chance in your lifetime!

I’ll just stay in my “affordable” large house on a 7000-ish sf lot in Chula and you can send me a postcard. And . . . GOOD LUCK to you ;=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN] . . . Yep yep yep, location location location is the key. Buy as much lot as you can at the best location you can. That’s why I rather get a 1000 sq-ft house on a 5000 sq-ft lot in Del mar with an ocean view than a big house on 1+ acre in Chula Vista or Escondido.[/quote]

AN, I implore you then to GO BUY that 5000 sf lot property in Del Mar . . . and make sure it’s NOT a condo and west of the 5. Actually, you should do it while the prices/interest rates are down if this is your dream . . . ASAP. You may never get another chance in your lifetime!

I’ll just stay in my “affordable” large house on a 7000-ish sf lot in Chula and you can send me a postcard. And . . . GOOD LUCK to you ;=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN] . . . Yep yep yep, location location location is the key. Buy as much lot as you can at the best location you can. That’s why I rather get a 1000 sq-ft house on a 5000 sq-ft lot in Del mar with an ocean view than a big house on 1+ acre in Chula Vista or Escondido.[/quote]

AN, I implore you then to GO BUY that 5000 sf lot property in Del Mar . . . and make sure it’s NOT a condo and west of the 5. Actually, you should do it while the prices/interest rates are down if this is your dream . . . ASAP. You may never get another chance in your lifetime!

I’ll just stay in my “affordable” large house on a 7000-ish sf lot in Chula and you can send me a postcard. And . . . GOOD LUCK to you ;=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN] . . . Yep yep yep, location location location is the key. Buy as much lot as you can at the best location you can. That’s why I rather get a 1000 sq-ft house on a 5000 sq-ft lot in Del mar with an ocean view than a big house on 1+ acre in Chula Vista or Escondido.[/quote]

AN, I implore you then to GO BUY that 5000 sf lot property in Del Mar . . . and make sure it’s NOT a condo and west of the 5. Actually, you should do it while the prices/interest rates are down if this is your dream . . . ASAP. You may never get another chance in your lifetime!

I’ll just stay in my “affordable” large house on a 7000-ish sf lot in Chula and you can send me a postcard. And . . . GOOD LUCK to you ;=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]I have to agree with AN here. In the 80’s I lived downtown and commuted to Oceanside. This was before a lot of businesses moved to Carlsbad and it was definitely a reverse commute. I went 40 miles in 40 minutes because it was a 95% freeway commute and the freeway moved in my direction and was a parking lot in the opposite direction.

That changed signficantly in the 90’s… It’s now a parking lot in both directions during commute times. I have friends who live in my neighborhood (University City) where one person commutes to Carlsbad – it’s NOT a reverse commute – it’s stop and go traffic as they head north in the morning, and south in the evening. My husband had a job near El Camino and Carmel Valley Rd in 2001/2002… it took him 30 minutes to go less than 10 miles because of traffic.[/quote]

UCGal, I too commuted for six months from the downtown area on the 5 to SV for a temporary assignment when there were only 3 companies on SV Rd which was a dead end. The year was 1980. All the traffic was coming towards dtn in the a.m. About 1-2x month I currently leave for dtn about 7:30 a.m. on the 5, get into the typical NC jam and about 7:50 to 7:55, make a turnoff onto northbound 163 (bottleneck ramp in Balboa Park). Once I enter 163 just before 8:00 a.m. it is clear going northbound and a parking lot going southbound getting into dtn. I either exit Genessee East or Clairemont Mesa East and the northbound side of 163 moves all the way.

As to the 5, there are few jobs in Old Town, Mission Bay area and La Jolla (NOT UTC) and very few commuters emanating from those areas and Pt. Loma, OB (retired).

Navy workers going to Pt. Loma typically take Harbor Dr. to Nimitz to Rosecrans (surface sts).

Where does the northbound 5/163 start to hang up in the morning? If this “parking lot” doesn’t begin until UTC, then it really doesn’t affect me. It’s just a function of a lot of worker-commuters living in UTC area (a very dense environment) :=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]I have to agree with AN here. In the 80’s I lived downtown and commuted to Oceanside. This was before a lot of businesses moved to Carlsbad and it was definitely a reverse commute. I went 40 miles in 40 minutes because it was a 95% freeway commute and the freeway moved in my direction and was a parking lot in the opposite direction.

That changed signficantly in the 90’s… It’s now a parking lot in both directions during commute times. I have friends who live in my neighborhood (University City) where one person commutes to Carlsbad – it’s NOT a reverse commute – it’s stop and go traffic as they head north in the morning, and south in the evening. My husband had a job near El Camino and Carmel Valley Rd in 2001/2002… it took him 30 minutes to go less than 10 miles because of traffic.[/quote]

UCGal, I too commuted for six months from the downtown area on the 5 to SV for a temporary assignment when there were only 3 companies on SV Rd which was a dead end. The year was 1980. All the traffic was coming towards dtn in the a.m. About 1-2x month I currently leave for dtn about 7:30 a.m. on the 5, get into the typical NC jam and about 7:50 to 7:55, make a turnoff onto northbound 163 (bottleneck ramp in Balboa Park). Once I enter 163 just before 8:00 a.m. it is clear going northbound and a parking lot going southbound getting into dtn. I either exit Genessee East or Clairemont Mesa East and the northbound side of 163 moves all the way.

As to the 5, there are few jobs in Old Town, Mission Bay area and La Jolla (NOT UTC) and very few commuters emanating from those areas and Pt. Loma, OB (retired).

Navy workers going to Pt. Loma typically take Harbor Dr. to Nimitz to Rosecrans (surface sts).

Where does the northbound 5/163 start to hang up in the morning? If this “parking lot” doesn’t begin until UTC, then it really doesn’t affect me. It’s just a function of a lot of worker-commuters living in UTC area (a very dense environment) :=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]I have to agree with AN here. In the 80’s I lived downtown and commuted to Oceanside. This was before a lot of businesses moved to Carlsbad and it was definitely a reverse commute. I went 40 miles in 40 minutes because it was a 95% freeway commute and the freeway moved in my direction and was a parking lot in the opposite direction.

That changed signficantly in the 90’s… It’s now a parking lot in both directions during commute times. I have friends who live in my neighborhood (University City) where one person commutes to Carlsbad – it’s NOT a reverse commute – it’s stop and go traffic as they head north in the morning, and south in the evening. My husband had a job near El Camino and Carmel Valley Rd in 2001/2002… it took him 30 minutes to go less than 10 miles because of traffic.[/quote]

UCGal, I too commuted for six months from the downtown area on the 5 to SV for a temporary assignment when there were only 3 companies on SV Rd which was a dead end. The year was 1980. All the traffic was coming towards dtn in the a.m. About 1-2x month I currently leave for dtn about 7:30 a.m. on the 5, get into the typical NC jam and about 7:50 to 7:55, make a turnoff onto northbound 163 (bottleneck ramp in Balboa Park). Once I enter 163 just before 8:00 a.m. it is clear going northbound and a parking lot going southbound getting into dtn. I either exit Genessee East or Clairemont Mesa East and the northbound side of 163 moves all the way.

As to the 5, there are few jobs in Old Town, Mission Bay area and La Jolla (NOT UTC) and very few commuters emanating from those areas and Pt. Loma, OB (retired).

Navy workers going to Pt. Loma typically take Harbor Dr. to Nimitz to Rosecrans (surface sts).

Where does the northbound 5/163 start to hang up in the morning? If this “parking lot” doesn’t begin until UTC, then it really doesn’t affect me. It’s just a function of a lot of worker-commuters living in UTC area (a very dense environment) :=)

[bearishgurl]

[quote=UCGal]I have to agree with AN here. In the 80’s I lived downtown and commuted to Oceanside. This was before a lot of businesses moved to Carlsbad and it was definitely a reverse commute. I went 40 miles in 40 minutes because it was a 95% freeway commute and the freeway moved in my direction and was a parking lot in the opposite direction.

That changed signficantly in the 90’s… It’s now a parking lot in both directions during commute times. I have friends who live in my neighborhood (University City) where one person commutes to Carlsbad – it’s NOT a reverse commute – it’s stop and go traffic as they head north in the morning, and south in the evening. My husband had a job near El Camino and Carmel Valley Rd in 2001/2002… it took him 30 minutes to go less than 10 miles because of traffic.[/quote]

UCGal, I too commuted for six months from the downtown area on the 5 to SV for a temporary assignment when there were only 3 companies on SV Rd which was a dead end. The year was 1980. All the traffic was coming towards dtn in the a.m. About 1-2x month I currently leave for dtn about 7:30 a.m. on the 5, get into the typical NC jam and about 7:50 to 7:55, make a turnoff onto northbound 163 (bottleneck ramp in Balboa Park). Once I enter 163 just before 8:00 a.m. it is clear going northbound and a parking lot going southbound getting into dtn. I either exit Genessee East or Clairemont Mesa East and the northbound side of 163 moves all the way.

As to the 5, there are few jobs in Old Town, Mission Bay area and La Jolla (NOT UTC) and very few commuters emanating from those areas and Pt. Loma, OB (retired).

Navy workers going to Pt. Loma typically take Harbor Dr. to Nimitz to Rosecrans (surface sts).

Where does the northbound 5/163 start to hang up in the morning? If this “parking lot” doesn’t begin until UTC, then it really doesn’t affect me. It’s just a function of a lot of worker-commuters living in UTC area (a very dense environment) :=)

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