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[scaredyclassic]

[quote=livinincali][quote=FlyerInHi]First it was about defunding Obamacare, now it’s the debt. So it looks like the GOP has given up on the defund ACA goal.
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Yeah I think they’ve seen the fairly rocky start for Obamacare and might just let it play out as a possible disaster. Note the switch from Obamacare to the ACA in order to distance the president from the initial poor implementation. I can pretty much guarantee it will only be referred to as Obamacare if it works and the ACA if it turns out to be a disaster that I expect it to become.

I think a lot of people really thought Obamacare was going to be “free” health insurance but as they actually look at it the people are realizing that it isn’t free and actually it’s quite expensive. The young and healthy will probably start screaming soon when they realize they are going to be paying a weekend of fun every month for something they probably aren’t going to need to use.[/quote]

young and healthy freeloaders, freeloading with their lithe, supple, active bodies, making us oldtimers pay for their occasioanl breakdown.

hrumph.

they ought to get some damn insurance. stop having so much fun.

aman..

why cant we just have a singlepayer system?

occom s razor…

[The-Shoveler]

If they would have allowed a public option and not had the penalty

The way it is now is worse than doing nothing. Right now it is an Insurance CEO’s dream come true,

But no excuse for a default/shutdown,

[FlyerInHi]

Livin, the Republicans said it would be a disaster, but then they said they needed to stop obamacare before the population became addicted to it. Addicted to a disaster.

So was the defund movement good or bad politics?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl]I just called and the commissary at 32nd St NAVSTA SD has opened back up for regular business hours beginning this morning. That’s good news.[/quote]

So I asked my buddy in the navy.
He said the meat is cheap there. In Korea steaks are luxury items, but cheap at the commissary, so all the Koreans want him to buy for them.

[paramount]

Quick (concerning) video on the shutdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2nMwm7e_Lo

[CA renter]

[quote=ocrenter]http://youtu.be/sx2scvIFGjE

Obamacare VS. Affordable Care Act :-)[/quote]

Funny! 🙂

[livinincali]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Livin, the Republicans said it would be a disaster, but then they said they needed to stop obamacare before the population became addicted to it. Addicted to a disaster.

So was the defund movement good or bad politics?[/quote]

The republicans are morons for sayings that. It doesn’t make any sense. There’s things that people really like in the ACA, stuff like pre-existing condition coverage, young adults being able to stay on their parents policies, etc. The thing they don’t like is how much it’s going to cost them. A lot of people thought it was going to be free or super cheap and it just isn’t by most measures.

I was listening to NPR this morning and they had the CEO from Scripps Hospital on this morning and he said the number one question their call center was receiving was how to I sign up for my “Free” Obamacare coverage.

Until just recently we didn’t know what the costs were and now that we know the ACA is becoming a lot less popular. The publicans probably should have passed a 6 week bill and waited for the public to become discontent with the costs of the ACA and then pushed for defunding. It would have been a much more popular move 6 weeks down the road.

That said the republicans had a piss poor strategy and it will likely cost them. I’m still waiting for the day I can vote for a fiscally responsible candidate that isn’t looking to garner my vote on some emotional charged issue like gay marriage, abortion, legalizing drugs, immigration. That stuff should be the last of our worries right now.

[scaredyclassic]

i don’t know. young people may bitch about the costs, but as a parent, im grateful to be able to pay for my “kid”, even if he’s over 26. think about it. aren’t there lots of parents who will buy adult children policies, or at leats want to, even if their kids are adults, simply because if my adult uninsured kid got sick, I’d feel pretty cheesy not paying for his chemo or whatever out of pocket. it’s like, criminy, id have to buy my kid insurance just so i could rest easy.

it is difficult for me to udnerstand why the nation wouldnt want to work something out on this issue.

[no_such_reality]

Because they can’t see past the brainwashing of soundbites they’re getting. That goes both ways and the media makes it worse by dumbing it down.

Or they’re fortunate, have had good health and no serious medical conditions and haven’t blundered into the underbelly of our previous insurance madness.

[spdrun]

6packscaredy: agreed, single-payer or public-option would be the right way to go.

Roll back Idiot Chimp Dubya’s tax cuts to pay for it. We survived and thrived in the 90s with higher taxes, why not in the 2010s?

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality]Because they can’t see past the brainwashing of soundbites they’re getting. That goes both ways and the media makes it worse by dumbing it down.

Or they’re fortunate, have had good health and no serious medical conditions and haven’t blundered into the underbelly of our previous insurance madness.[/quote]

No, it doesn’t go both ways. The brainwashing has been invariably slanted against the ACA. Proponents haven’t told anyone they were going to get free healthcare, that’s part of the right-wing smear “they’re only voting for Obama because they want free stuff”. Proponents of haven’t told anyone insurance on the exchanges was going to be cheap, only that it would be less expensive than open market policies. And it is. Where the media has failed miserably is allowing the lies to go unchecked. Giving equal time (and thereby implying equal authority) to one side giving reasonable expectations and the other side shoveling bullshit. Those two are not equal.

[no_such_reality]

Sure, go get a clean CR.

[zk]

[quote=no_such_reality]Because they can’t see past the brainwashing of soundbites they’re getting. That goes both ways and the media makes it worse by dumbing it down.

Or they’re fortunate, have had good health and no serious medical conditions and haven’t blundered into the underbelly of our previous insurance madness.[/quote]

[quote=zk][quote=no_such_reality]
They’ve done everything but just capitulate to what Harry and Barack want.

You don’t hear that in the media though and they’re getting the blame.

And they’re focused on the wrong discussion. The right discussion is the debt.

The rule of any show down is picking your fight, they’ve done a horrible job of picking the right fight. Frankly, IMHO, they should give Obama everything he wants, and tie ribbon around the Democrats in the 2014 election when everything is still the same.[/quote]

Fascinating. What, exactly, does “everything but just capitulate to what Harry and Barack want” consist of?[/quote]

Unless you can answer that question, it appears you’re the one who’s been brainwashed.

[paramount]

I read in the news that park workers/rangers were instructed to be particularly nasty with park visitors.

[SK in CV]

[quote=paramount]I read in the news that park workers/rangers were instructed to be particularly nasty with park visitors.[/quote]

Well if you read it somewhere, it must be true.

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