should I buy in temecula

[Ren]

[quote=walterwhite]you didnt spend your days in school learning anything other than the most important lesson of bowing to authority.

you don’t really remember what happened.

there is little reading. mainly nonsense. blather. teachers speaking and students kind of nodding off.

the learning portion of the day could be compacted into a good half hour. the rest is bureacratic nonsense.[/quote]

So you experienced the perfect storm. Your schools and teachers sucked, you had little desire to learn and/or you just didn’t get enough sleep, you don’t remember much because of the haze you spent your time in, your rebellion and resulting friction with teachers gave you major issues with authority figures, and the more you fell behind, the more difficult it was to catch back up.

Well, there’s “bowing to authority”, and then there’s understanding that you as an 8-year-old really don’t know better than an adult teacher, and understanding that the purpose of being there is to learn. If it wasn’t, they would just stuff you in a storage closet with hamster bottles to drink from. We understood the big picture, took an active part in our education, read an enormous amount, and became independent, confident, knowledgeable adults with good memories and lifetime friendships. Again, that was with the right attitude at good schools with mostly good teachers. If I had your attitude and experience, I’d probably home school my kids, too. As it is, I wouldn’t even consider taking the experience of school away from them, and I’m going to stay involved to make sure the experience remains a good one.

[CA renter]

[quote=walterwhite]My kids are extraordinarily well socialized homeschoolers. I also believe with obviously no evidence that they are closer to one another than they wouldve been had they prison schooled.[/quote]

We had our eldest attend kindergarten the first year (because my DH was adamantly opposed to homeschooling at the time), and there was a marked difference in the way she interacted with her siblings and other different-aged kids outside of school. She was reading independently before going to school, and loved reading for pleasure. She was happy and well-adjusted, and got along with people of all ages. As soon as she went to school, she stopped reading for pleasure, and stopped asking all the wonderful questions she used to ask before going to school. During school vacations, she would start to become herself again (happy, curious, and sociable), but when school started back up, she would become an angry, withdrawn kid. It was so sad, and the decision to homeschool was the easiest decision we’ve ever made. Her teacher was the one who actually helped me convince my DH to homeschool, because it was obvious that school wasn’t giving her anything positive at all — not socially, not academically, nothing.

Again, everyone is different, but that was our experience.

[CA renter]

[quote=walterwhite]My kids are extraordinarily well socialized homeschoolers. I also believe with obviously no evidence that they are closer to one another than they wouldve been had they prison schooled.[/quote]

We had our eldest attend kindergarten the first year (because my DH was adamantly opposed to homeschooling at the time), and there was a marked difference in the way she interacted with her siblings and other different-aged kids outside of school. She was reading independently before going to school, and loved reading for pleasure. She was happy and well-adjusted, and got along with people of all ages. As soon as she went to school, she stopped reading for pleasure, and stopped asking all the wonderful questions she used to ask before going to school. During school vacations, she would start to become herself again (happy, curious, and sociable), but when school started back up, she would become an angry, withdrawn kid. It was so sad, and the decision to homeschool was the easiest decision we’ve ever made. Her teacher was the one who actually helped me convince my DH to homeschool, because it was obvious that school wasn’t giving her anything positive at all — not socially, not academically, nothing.

Again, everyone is different, but that was our experience.

[CA renter]

[quote=walterwhite]My kids are extraordinarily well socialized homeschoolers. I also believe with obviously no evidence that they are closer to one another than they wouldve been had they prison schooled.[/quote]

We had our eldest attend kindergarten the first year (because my DH was adamantly opposed to homeschooling at the time), and there was a marked difference in the way she interacted with her siblings and other different-aged kids outside of school. She was reading independently before going to school, and loved reading for pleasure. She was happy and well-adjusted, and got along with people of all ages. As soon as she went to school, she stopped reading for pleasure, and stopped asking all the wonderful questions she used to ask before going to school. During school vacations, she would start to become herself again (happy, curious, and sociable), but when school started back up, she would become an angry, withdrawn kid. It was so sad, and the decision to homeschool was the easiest decision we’ve ever made. Her teacher was the one who actually helped me convince my DH to homeschool, because it was obvious that school wasn’t giving her anything positive at all — not socially, not academically, nothing.

Again, everyone is different, but that was our experience.

[CA renter]

[quote=walterwhite]My kids are extraordinarily well socialized homeschoolers. I also believe with obviously no evidence that they are closer to one another than they wouldve been had they prison schooled.[/quote]

We had our eldest attend kindergarten the first year (because my DH was adamantly opposed to homeschooling at the time), and there was a marked difference in the way she interacted with her siblings and other different-aged kids outside of school. She was reading independently before going to school, and loved reading for pleasure. She was happy and well-adjusted, and got along with people of all ages. As soon as she went to school, she stopped reading for pleasure, and stopped asking all the wonderful questions she used to ask before going to school. During school vacations, she would start to become herself again (happy, curious, and sociable), but when school started back up, she would become an angry, withdrawn kid. It was so sad, and the decision to homeschool was the easiest decision we’ve ever made. Her teacher was the one who actually helped me convince my DH to homeschool, because it was obvious that school wasn’t giving her anything positive at all — not socially, not academically, nothing.

Again, everyone is different, but that was our experience.

[CA renter]

[quote=walterwhite]My kids are extraordinarily well socialized homeschoolers. I also believe with obviously no evidence that they are closer to one another than they wouldve been had they prison schooled.[/quote]

We had our eldest attend kindergarten the first year (because my DH was adamantly opposed to homeschooling at the time), and there was a marked difference in the way she interacted with her siblings and other different-aged kids outside of school. She was reading independently before going to school, and loved reading for pleasure. She was happy and well-adjusted, and got along with people of all ages. As soon as she went to school, she stopped reading for pleasure, and stopped asking all the wonderful questions she used to ask before going to school. During school vacations, she would start to become herself again (happy, curious, and sociable), but when school started back up, she would become an angry, withdrawn kid. It was so sad, and the decision to homeschool was the easiest decision we’ve ever made. Her teacher was the one who actually helped me convince my DH to homeschool, because it was obvious that school wasn’t giving her anything positive at all — not socially, not academically, nothing.

Again, everyone is different, but that was our experience.

[scaredyclassic]

ren, sorry, I don’t believe you. I know you want to believe, heck i would want to believe it and probably would’ve said that about my own education 10 years ago, but in reality, that’s not what school is.

I had no issues with my schools as I was going through them. I was at the top of all my classes, the spelling bee champion, the kid who always got the “best in class certificate”, top 15% at law school, honors from college. And you know what? Education is a giant game of manipulation perceptions, of students manipulating teachers for a certain result and of teachers keeping children quiet and in their seats for the time they are responsible for them. School is about indoctrination and mind control and locking kids down.

You will not persuade me otherwise. It is all about fear and ego, school rankings, test scores, what college you went to, your future prosecpts. FEAR AND EGO, not learning. fear and ego and bullying at every level. A school is a very unlikely place learning really could ever take place.

And all this emphasis on formal education, paid education, isn’t it all part of what is the next enormous bubble to burst — the student loan debt bubble? I’m about paid off on my massive debt — but i’ll be damned if i let me kids get sucked into massive debt. Isn’t that what educators wan- to prepare you for a “good college” with a hefty amount of indebtedness? Isn’t that what the system churns out?

[scaredyclassic]

ren, sorry, I don’t believe you. I know you want to believe, heck i would want to believe it and probably would’ve said that about my own education 10 years ago, but in reality, that’s not what school is.

I had no issues with my schools as I was going through them. I was at the top of all my classes, the spelling bee champion, the kid who always got the “best in class certificate”, top 15% at law school, honors from college. And you know what? Education is a giant game of manipulation perceptions, of students manipulating teachers for a certain result and of teachers keeping children quiet and in their seats for the time they are responsible for them. School is about indoctrination and mind control and locking kids down.

You will not persuade me otherwise. It is all about fear and ego, school rankings, test scores, what college you went to, your future prosecpts. FEAR AND EGO, not learning. fear and ego and bullying at every level. A school is a very unlikely place learning really could ever take place.

And all this emphasis on formal education, paid education, isn’t it all part of what is the next enormous bubble to burst — the student loan debt bubble? I’m about paid off on my massive debt — but i’ll be damned if i let me kids get sucked into massive debt. Isn’t that what educators wan- to prepare you for a “good college” with a hefty amount of indebtedness? Isn’t that what the system churns out?

[scaredyclassic]

ren, sorry, I don’t believe you. I know you want to believe, heck i would want to believe it and probably would’ve said that about my own education 10 years ago, but in reality, that’s not what school is.

I had no issues with my schools as I was going through them. I was at the top of all my classes, the spelling bee champion, the kid who always got the “best in class certificate”, top 15% at law school, honors from college. And you know what? Education is a giant game of manipulation perceptions, of students manipulating teachers for a certain result and of teachers keeping children quiet and in their seats for the time they are responsible for them. School is about indoctrination and mind control and locking kids down.

You will not persuade me otherwise. It is all about fear and ego, school rankings, test scores, what college you went to, your future prosecpts. FEAR AND EGO, not learning. fear and ego and bullying at every level. A school is a very unlikely place learning really could ever take place.

And all this emphasis on formal education, paid education, isn’t it all part of what is the next enormous bubble to burst — the student loan debt bubble? I’m about paid off on my massive debt — but i’ll be damned if i let me kids get sucked into massive debt. Isn’t that what educators wan- to prepare you for a “good college” with a hefty amount of indebtedness? Isn’t that what the system churns out?

[scaredyclassic]

ren, sorry, I don’t believe you. I know you want to believe, heck i would want to believe it and probably would’ve said that about my own education 10 years ago, but in reality, that’s not what school is.

I had no issues with my schools as I was going through them. I was at the top of all my classes, the spelling bee champion, the kid who always got the “best in class certificate”, top 15% at law school, honors from college. And you know what? Education is a giant game of manipulation perceptions, of students manipulating teachers for a certain result and of teachers keeping children quiet and in their seats for the time they are responsible for them. School is about indoctrination and mind control and locking kids down.

You will not persuade me otherwise. It is all about fear and ego, school rankings, test scores, what college you went to, your future prosecpts. FEAR AND EGO, not learning. fear and ego and bullying at every level. A school is a very unlikely place learning really could ever take place.

And all this emphasis on formal education, paid education, isn’t it all part of what is the next enormous bubble to burst — the student loan debt bubble? I’m about paid off on my massive debt — but i’ll be damned if i let me kids get sucked into massive debt. Isn’t that what educators wan- to prepare you for a “good college” with a hefty amount of indebtedness? Isn’t that what the system churns out?

[scaredyclassic]

ren, sorry, I don’t believe you. I know you want to believe, heck i would want to believe it and probably would’ve said that about my own education 10 years ago, but in reality, that’s not what school is.

I had no issues with my schools as I was going through them. I was at the top of all my classes, the spelling bee champion, the kid who always got the “best in class certificate”, top 15% at law school, honors from college. And you know what? Education is a giant game of manipulation perceptions, of students manipulating teachers for a certain result and of teachers keeping children quiet and in their seats for the time they are responsible for them. School is about indoctrination and mind control and locking kids down.

You will not persuade me otherwise. It is all about fear and ego, school rankings, test scores, what college you went to, your future prosecpts. FEAR AND EGO, not learning. fear and ego and bullying at every level. A school is a very unlikely place learning really could ever take place.

And all this emphasis on formal education, paid education, isn’t it all part of what is the next enormous bubble to burst — the student loan debt bubble? I’m about paid off on my massive debt — but i’ll be damned if i let me kids get sucked into massive debt. Isn’t that what educators wan- to prepare you for a “good college” with a hefty amount of indebtedness? Isn’t that what the system churns out?

[scaredyclassic]

I also believe that these massive homework burdens kids get sent home with nowadays — multiple hour assignments even for the young? They exist because NO ONE IS DOING ANY TEACHING OR LEARNING DURING SCHOOL HOURS! teachers claim it is to “reinforce” what happened during the school day — not a reasonable proposition. The kid forgot it in 3 hours? The bottom line is the teachers know nothing is happening in the school, so by assigning excessive homework, they can transfer blame to the parents for failing to complete the required assignments. Excessive homework really should be criminalized.

[scaredyclassic]

I also believe that these massive homework burdens kids get sent home with nowadays — multiple hour assignments even for the young? They exist because NO ONE IS DOING ANY TEACHING OR LEARNING DURING SCHOOL HOURS! teachers claim it is to “reinforce” what happened during the school day — not a reasonable proposition. The kid forgot it in 3 hours? The bottom line is the teachers know nothing is happening in the school, so by assigning excessive homework, they can transfer blame to the parents for failing to complete the required assignments. Excessive homework really should be criminalized.

[scaredyclassic]

I also believe that these massive homework burdens kids get sent home with nowadays — multiple hour assignments even for the young? They exist because NO ONE IS DOING ANY TEACHING OR LEARNING DURING SCHOOL HOURS! teachers claim it is to “reinforce” what happened during the school day — not a reasonable proposition. The kid forgot it in 3 hours? The bottom line is the teachers know nothing is happening in the school, so by assigning excessive homework, they can transfer blame to the parents for failing to complete the required assignments. Excessive homework really should be criminalized.

[scaredyclassic]

I also believe that these massive homework burdens kids get sent home with nowadays — multiple hour assignments even for the young? They exist because NO ONE IS DOING ANY TEACHING OR LEARNING DURING SCHOOL HOURS! teachers claim it is to “reinforce” what happened during the school day — not a reasonable proposition. The kid forgot it in 3 hours? The bottom line is the teachers know nothing is happening in the school, so by assigning excessive homework, they can transfer blame to the parents for failing to complete the required assignments. Excessive homework really should be criminalized.

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