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October 22, 2007 at 8:31 AM #10688
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October 22, 2007 at 4:25 PM #90715
OC Burns
ParticipantWhen I was a kid, my folks got a new roof and tossed some old shake shingle in the fireplace to see how it burned. The stuff nearly exploded, it burned so fast. Almost like it had been soaked in fuel. One of the houses near us had burned down because of a bottle rocket…. I can’t imagine a raging fire like these getting near those old rooftops without torching it.
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October 22, 2007 at 4:31 PM #90718
VoZangre
ParticipantNail on the head, Bub…
been driving round this summer thinking about the drought, wondering why in the world, in this environ, you’d have ANYTHING besides tile?
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October 22, 2007 at 4:31 PM #90738Participant
Nail on the head, Bub…
been driving round this summer thinking about the drought, wondering why in the world, in this environ, you’d have ANYTHING besides tile?
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October 22, 2007 at 4:31 PM #90749Participant
Nail on the head, Bub…
been driving round this summer thinking about the drought, wondering why in the world, in this environ, you’d have ANYTHING besides tile?
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October 22, 2007 at 4:25 PM #90735Participant
When I was a kid, my folks got a new roof and tossed some old shake shingle in the fireplace to see how it burned. The stuff nearly exploded, it burned so fast. Almost like it had been soaked in fuel. One of the houses near us had burned down because of a bottle rocket…. I can’t imagine a raging fire like these getting near those old rooftops without torching it.
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October 22, 2007 at 4:25 PM #90746Participant
When I was a kid, my folks got a new roof and tossed some old shake shingle in the fireplace to see how it burned. The stuff nearly exploded, it burned so fast. Almost like it had been soaked in fuel. One of the houses near us had burned down because of a bottle rocket…. I can’t imagine a raging fire like these getting near those old rooftops without torching it.
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October 22, 2007 at 6:04 PM #90733
Coronita
Participantyo,
When you have a firestorm, it won't matter if it's tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
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October 22, 2007 at 7:18 PM #90757
bub
ParticipantIt ain’t always a firestorm. It could simply be an burning ember or….
OC Burns “One of the houses near us had burned down because of a bottle rocket…. “
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October 22, 2007 at 9:03 PM #90839Participant
Dome houses…
made of adobe would withstand fire better than stuccobox tracts, methinks…
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October 22, 2007 at 9:03 PM #90861Participant
Dome houses…
made of adobe would withstand fire better than stuccobox tracts, methinks…
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October 22, 2007 at 9:03 PM #90873Participant
Dome houses…
made of adobe would withstand fire better than stuccobox tracts, methinks…
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October 22, 2007 at 7:18 PM #90776Participant
It ain’t always a firestorm. It could simply be an burning ember or….
OC Burns “One of the houses near us had burned down because of a bottle rocket…. “
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October 22, 2007 at 7:18 PM #90790Participant
It ain’t always a firestorm. It could simply be an burning ember or….
OC Burns “One of the houses near us had burned down because of a bottle rocket…. “
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October 23, 2007 at 7:03 AM #90899Participant
“When you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.”
That’s true. But the people in my neighborhood were scared that the firestorm would be caused by one of those old shake-roof houses. Any little thing could start them burning. So, if there was a firestorm a distance away, and one of the embers blew into our ‘hood, it would be much more likely to start a raging firestorm if it landed on the shake roof next door than if those folks had installed a tile roof. I guess that was the point, really… when your neighbor’s shake roof becomes a firestorm, it puts your house in danger.
Many of our neighbors used to put a sprinkler on their roof on the 4th of July. It was like air defence for bottle rockets.
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October 24, 2007 at 11:27 AM #91356
bsrsharma
ParticipantOn a more general note, after this catastrophe, will there be a premium for homes that can be shown to be fire resistent (with construction materials/techniques, foam coating etc.,)? I saw a video of AIG spraying fire retardant foam at their own expense on high end homes to save paying replacement costs. The woodframe based construction seems very inadequate and unsuited to SoCal weather. Greater use of metallic or non-combustible building materials should be encouraged both through building codes and market demand. If enough potential buyers start getting cold feet buying wood framed homes, that can start a trend. How many of you potential buyers will pay attention to fire resistance in your future home purchase decisions?
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October 24, 2007 at 2:20 PM #91460
Raybyrnes
ParticipantMajor Insurance companies such as Farmers Insurance stopped insuring homes with shake shingle roofing as far back as 7 years ago. I am not certain if they non renewed policies that were already covered.
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October 24, 2007 at 8:43 PM #91581
cashcow
Participant“wondering why in the world, in this environ, you’d have ANYTHING besides tile?”
BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH, DUH?
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October 24, 2007 at 9:04 PM #91602
kewp
ParticipantFrom what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar. The embers blow up under the tile and it burns down anyway.
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October 24, 2007 at 9:04 PM #91626Participant
From what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar. The embers blow up under the tile and it burns down anyway.
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October 24, 2007 at 9:04 PM #91640Participant
From what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar. The embers blow up under the tile and it burns down anyway.
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October 24, 2007 at 8:43 PM #91606Participant
“wondering why in the world, in this environ, you’d have ANYTHING besides tile?”
BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH, DUH?
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October 24, 2007 at 8:43 PM #91617Participant
“wondering why in the world, in this environ, you’d have ANYTHING besides tile?”
BECAUSE IT COSTS TOO MUCH, DUH?
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October 24, 2007 at 2:20 PM #91483Participant
Major Insurance companies such as Farmers Insurance stopped insuring homes with shake shingle roofing as far back as 7 years ago. I am not certain if they non renewed policies that were already covered.
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October 24, 2007 at 2:20 PM #91495Participant
Major Insurance companies such as Farmers Insurance stopped insuring homes with shake shingle roofing as far back as 7 years ago. I am not certain if they non renewed policies that were already covered.
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October 24, 2007 at 11:27 AM #91380Participant
On a more general note, after this catastrophe, will there be a premium for homes that can be shown to be fire resistent (with construction materials/techniques, foam coating etc.,)? I saw a video of AIG spraying fire retardant foam at their own expense on high end homes to save paying replacement costs. The woodframe based construction seems very inadequate and unsuited to SoCal weather. Greater use of metallic or non-combustible building materials should be encouraged both through building codes and market demand. If enough potential buyers start getting cold feet buying wood framed homes, that can start a trend. How many of you potential buyers will pay attention to fire resistance in your future home purchase decisions?
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October 24, 2007 at 11:27 AM #91393Participant
On a more general note, after this catastrophe, will there be a premium for homes that can be shown to be fire resistent (with construction materials/techniques, foam coating etc.,)? I saw a video of AIG spraying fire retardant foam at their own expense on high end homes to save paying replacement costs. The woodframe based construction seems very inadequate and unsuited to SoCal weather. Greater use of metallic or non-combustible building materials should be encouraged both through building codes and market demand. If enough potential buyers start getting cold feet buying wood framed homes, that can start a trend. How many of you potential buyers will pay attention to fire resistance in your future home purchase decisions?
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October 23, 2007 at 7:03 AM #90921Participant
“When you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.”
That’s true. But the people in my neighborhood were scared that the firestorm would be caused by one of those old shake-roof houses. Any little thing could start them burning. So, if there was a firestorm a distance away, and one of the embers blew into our ‘hood, it would be much more likely to start a raging firestorm if it landed on the shake roof next door than if those folks had installed a tile roof. I guess that was the point, really… when your neighbor’s shake roof becomes a firestorm, it puts your house in danger.
Many of our neighbors used to put a sprinkler on their roof on the 4th of July. It was like air defence for bottle rockets.
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October 23, 2007 at 7:03 AM #90934Participant
“When you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.”
That’s true. But the people in my neighborhood were scared that the firestorm would be caused by one of those old shake-roof houses. Any little thing could start them burning. So, if there was a firestorm a distance away, and one of the embers blew into our ‘hood, it would be much more likely to start a raging firestorm if it landed on the shake roof next door than if those folks had installed a tile roof. I guess that was the point, really… when your neighbor’s shake roof becomes a firestorm, it puts your house in danger.
Many of our neighbors used to put a sprinkler on their roof on the 4th of July. It was like air defence for bottle rockets.
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September 3, 2009 at 8:24 AM #452357
ucodegen
ParticipantWhen you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
No, it does matter. Not everything burns in a firestorm. A blown ember will touch off a shake roof by just landing on the roof. For a tile roof to burn, the ember has to get onto the tar-paper underneath the tile, up into the eves or in an open window/door. If the tile roof is properly built, the ember can’t get under. There are eve vents that prevent embers from getting through. As for the doors and windows, that is up to the homeowner.
From what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar.
No they are not glued with tar. The tiles are nailed through pre-drilled holes in the tiles. The problem is with the ‘spanish’ style tiles. There is an open channel going up under the tile unless a blocking plate or tile is placed at the ends. Flat interlocking tiles are the safest in fire zones. The other thing to watch out for are ‘open eves’ on the roof and ‘eve vents’. Most eve vents allow embers to be blown into a house’s attic, after which “thats all she wrote”.
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September 3, 2009 at 8:24 AM #452551Participant
When you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
No, it does matter. Not everything burns in a firestorm. A blown ember will touch off a shake roof by just landing on the roof. For a tile roof to burn, the ember has to get onto the tar-paper underneath the tile, up into the eves or in an open window/door. If the tile roof is properly built, the ember can’t get under. There are eve vents that prevent embers from getting through. As for the doors and windows, that is up to the homeowner.
From what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar.
No they are not glued with tar. The tiles are nailed through pre-drilled holes in the tiles. The problem is with the ‘spanish’ style tiles. There is an open channel going up under the tile unless a blocking plate or tile is placed at the ends. Flat interlocking tiles are the safest in fire zones. The other thing to watch out for are ‘open eves’ on the roof and ‘eve vents’. Most eve vents allow embers to be blown into a house’s attic, after which “thats all she wrote”.
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September 3, 2009 at 8:24 AM #452890Participant
When you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
No, it does matter. Not everything burns in a firestorm. A blown ember will touch off a shake roof by just landing on the roof. For a tile roof to burn, the ember has to get onto the tar-paper underneath the tile, up into the eves or in an open window/door. If the tile roof is properly built, the ember can’t get under. There are eve vents that prevent embers from getting through. As for the doors and windows, that is up to the homeowner.
From what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar.
No they are not glued with tar. The tiles are nailed through pre-drilled holes in the tiles. The problem is with the ‘spanish’ style tiles. There is an open channel going up under the tile unless a blocking plate or tile is placed at the ends. Flat interlocking tiles are the safest in fire zones. The other thing to watch out for are ‘open eves’ on the roof and ‘eve vents’. Most eve vents allow embers to be blown into a house’s attic, after which “thats all she wrote”.
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September 3, 2009 at 8:24 AM #452963Participant
When you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
No, it does matter. Not everything burns in a firestorm. A blown ember will touch off a shake roof by just landing on the roof. For a tile roof to burn, the ember has to get onto the tar-paper underneath the tile, up into the eves or in an open window/door. If the tile roof is properly built, the ember can’t get under. There are eve vents that prevent embers from getting through. As for the doors and windows, that is up to the homeowner.
From what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar.
No they are not glued with tar. The tiles are nailed through pre-drilled holes in the tiles. The problem is with the ‘spanish’ style tiles. There is an open channel going up under the tile unless a blocking plate or tile is placed at the ends. Flat interlocking tiles are the safest in fire zones. The other thing to watch out for are ‘open eves’ on the roof and ‘eve vents’. Most eve vents allow embers to be blown into a house’s attic, after which “thats all she wrote”.
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September 3, 2009 at 8:24 AM #453152Participant
When you have a firestorm, it won’t matter if it’s tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
No, it does matter. Not everything burns in a firestorm. A blown ember will touch off a shake roof by just landing on the roof. For a tile roof to burn, the ember has to get onto the tar-paper underneath the tile, up into the eves or in an open window/door. If the tile roof is properly built, the ember can’t get under. There are eve vents that prevent embers from getting through. As for the doors and windows, that is up to the homeowner.
From what I remember of the Cedar fires, tile wasn’t a big win as they are glued to roof with tar.
No they are not glued with tar. The tiles are nailed through pre-drilled holes in the tiles. The problem is with the ‘spanish’ style tiles. There is an open channel going up under the tile unless a blocking plate or tile is placed at the ends. Flat interlocking tiles are the safest in fire zones. The other thing to watch out for are ‘open eves’ on the roof and ‘eve vents’. Most eve vents allow embers to be blown into a house’s attic, after which “thats all she wrote”.
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October 22, 2007 at 6:04 PM #90752Participant
yo,
When you have a firestorm, it won't matter if it's tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
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October 22, 2007 at 6:04 PM #90764Participant
yo,
When you have a firestorm, it won't matter if it's tile or shake. It all burns down. Moot point.
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