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April 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM #682523SK in CV
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]I think it is an illustration of success from the perspective of the banks and govt. They implemented a plan using taxpayer money that consisted of a slower methodical manner in which to liquidate highly depreciated assets without totally cratering the bubbled market they created. The plan is by no means complete however it seems to be chugging along just fine. What you are seeing is simply the next phase of it. It is not that hard at all to get delinquent homeowners out of homes. If you look at the chronology, if someone has been in a home a year or two without paying, taking an extra couple of months to get them out is a piece of cake.
Sorry folks, no tsunami.[/quote]
Great comment. Though I disagree with you that it was all part of a plan. I think it was, at least in part, the motivation of Treasury, probably the Fed, to a lesser extent the FDIC, and maybe the GSE’s. But not on the part of the loan servicers, which I believe control close to 80% of the market.
Their motivation was/is the complete opposite. Foreclose, as quickly as possible, whether legal, appropriate, or financially beneficial is there motivation. But as they have proven time and time again, in every RE bubble, they are simply incompetent to do it right. Both at the beginning of the process, and once the REO is in their portfolio.
Ultimately, I think it has been nothing more than a major clusterfuck, but all the stars were properly aligned and it worked. Government action (HAMP and other non-mandatory mod programs, tax credits, most all of which were, IMNHO, both ill conceived and/or poorly implememnted.) helped the process. With unemployment ticking down, I think you are exactly right. The first stage has been a humungous success in mantaining some stability in the markets. With probably close to another eighteen months to two years of high delinquencies and foreclosures, there will still be high downward pressure on prices. Countered by slightly increased demand as a result of more consumers with paychecks, lower non-mortgage debt, improving credit.
It’s still going to be a delicate tightrope act. But if we have less than a 10% swing in prices (up or down) over the next two years, it will have to be considered an unmitigated success. Disorganized, improbable, accidental. But it might work.
Biggest threat to it failing miserably? Substantially increased housing starts in the next six months. Last thing the residential RE market needs is more inventory before the overhang is absorbed. Contra-intuitive to the economy as a whole. But still.
April 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM #682576Participant[quote=SD Realtor]I think it is an illustration of success from the perspective of the banks and govt. They implemented a plan using taxpayer money that consisted of a slower methodical manner in which to liquidate highly depreciated assets without totally cratering the bubbled market they created. The plan is by no means complete however it seems to be chugging along just fine. What you are seeing is simply the next phase of it. It is not that hard at all to get delinquent homeowners out of homes. If you look at the chronology, if someone has been in a home a year or two without paying, taking an extra couple of months to get them out is a piece of cake.
Sorry folks, no tsunami.[/quote]
Great comment. Though I disagree with you that it was all part of a plan. I think it was, at least in part, the motivation of Treasury, probably the Fed, to a lesser extent the FDIC, and maybe the GSE’s. But not on the part of the loan servicers, which I believe control close to 80% of the market.
Their motivation was/is the complete opposite. Foreclose, as quickly as possible, whether legal, appropriate, or financially beneficial is there motivation. But as they have proven time and time again, in every RE bubble, they are simply incompetent to do it right. Both at the beginning of the process, and once the REO is in their portfolio.
Ultimately, I think it has been nothing more than a major clusterfuck, but all the stars were properly aligned and it worked. Government action (HAMP and other non-mandatory mod programs, tax credits, most all of which were, IMNHO, both ill conceived and/or poorly implememnted.) helped the process. With unemployment ticking down, I think you are exactly right. The first stage has been a humungous success in mantaining some stability in the markets. With probably close to another eighteen months to two years of high delinquencies and foreclosures, there will still be high downward pressure on prices. Countered by slightly increased demand as a result of more consumers with paychecks, lower non-mortgage debt, improving credit.
It’s still going to be a delicate tightrope act. But if we have less than a 10% swing in prices (up or down) over the next two years, it will have to be considered an unmitigated success. Disorganized, improbable, accidental. But it might work.
Biggest threat to it failing miserably? Substantially increased housing starts in the next six months. Last thing the residential RE market needs is more inventory before the overhang is absorbed. Contra-intuitive to the economy as a whole. But still.
April 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM #683199Participant[quote=SD Realtor]I think it is an illustration of success from the perspective of the banks and govt. They implemented a plan using taxpayer money that consisted of a slower methodical manner in which to liquidate highly depreciated assets without totally cratering the bubbled market they created. The plan is by no means complete however it seems to be chugging along just fine. What you are seeing is simply the next phase of it. It is not that hard at all to get delinquent homeowners out of homes. If you look at the chronology, if someone has been in a home a year or two without paying, taking an extra couple of months to get them out is a piece of cake.
Sorry folks, no tsunami.[/quote]
Great comment. Though I disagree with you that it was all part of a plan. I think it was, at least in part, the motivation of Treasury, probably the Fed, to a lesser extent the FDIC, and maybe the GSE’s. But not on the part of the loan servicers, which I believe control close to 80% of the market.
Their motivation was/is the complete opposite. Foreclose, as quickly as possible, whether legal, appropriate, or financially beneficial is there motivation. But as they have proven time and time again, in every RE bubble, they are simply incompetent to do it right. Both at the beginning of the process, and once the REO is in their portfolio.
Ultimately, I think it has been nothing more than a major clusterfuck, but all the stars were properly aligned and it worked. Government action (HAMP and other non-mandatory mod programs, tax credits, most all of which were, IMNHO, both ill conceived and/or poorly implememnted.) helped the process. With unemployment ticking down, I think you are exactly right. The first stage has been a humungous success in mantaining some stability in the markets. With probably close to another eighteen months to two years of high delinquencies and foreclosures, there will still be high downward pressure on prices. Countered by slightly increased demand as a result of more consumers with paychecks, lower non-mortgage debt, improving credit.
It’s still going to be a delicate tightrope act. But if we have less than a 10% swing in prices (up or down) over the next two years, it will have to be considered an unmitigated success. Disorganized, improbable, accidental. But it might work.
Biggest threat to it failing miserably? Substantially increased housing starts in the next six months. Last thing the residential RE market needs is more inventory before the overhang is absorbed. Contra-intuitive to the economy as a whole. But still.
April 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM #683341Participant[quote=SD Realtor]I think it is an illustration of success from the perspective of the banks and govt. They implemented a plan using taxpayer money that consisted of a slower methodical manner in which to liquidate highly depreciated assets without totally cratering the bubbled market they created. The plan is by no means complete however it seems to be chugging along just fine. What you are seeing is simply the next phase of it. It is not that hard at all to get delinquent homeowners out of homes. If you look at the chronology, if someone has been in a home a year or two without paying, taking an extra couple of months to get them out is a piece of cake.
Sorry folks, no tsunami.[/quote]
Great comment. Though I disagree with you that it was all part of a plan. I think it was, at least in part, the motivation of Treasury, probably the Fed, to a lesser extent the FDIC, and maybe the GSE’s. But not on the part of the loan servicers, which I believe control close to 80% of the market.
Their motivation was/is the complete opposite. Foreclose, as quickly as possible, whether legal, appropriate, or financially beneficial is there motivation. But as they have proven time and time again, in every RE bubble, they are simply incompetent to do it right. Both at the beginning of the process, and once the REO is in their portfolio.
Ultimately, I think it has been nothing more than a major clusterfuck, but all the stars were properly aligned and it worked. Government action (HAMP and other non-mandatory mod programs, tax credits, most all of which were, IMNHO, both ill conceived and/or poorly implememnted.) helped the process. With unemployment ticking down, I think you are exactly right. The first stage has been a humungous success in mantaining some stability in the markets. With probably close to another eighteen months to two years of high delinquencies and foreclosures, there will still be high downward pressure on prices. Countered by slightly increased demand as a result of more consumers with paychecks, lower non-mortgage debt, improving credit.
It’s still going to be a delicate tightrope act. But if we have less than a 10% swing in prices (up or down) over the next two years, it will have to be considered an unmitigated success. Disorganized, improbable, accidental. But it might work.
Biggest threat to it failing miserably? Substantially increased housing starts in the next six months. Last thing the residential RE market needs is more inventory before the overhang is absorbed. Contra-intuitive to the economy as a whole. But still.
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