Schwarzenegger backs state services to immigrants

[NotCranky]

[quote=Rt.66]I won’t comment on illegals because I have not walked a mile in their shoes.

I can’t help but wonder about the logic of stating $5 billion spent giving freebies to people who are not citizens is peanuts YET laying off school teachers who are WORKING (not getting freebies) for the money they cost the state and who educate our children, is sound cost cutting???…?

Wow, its hard to wrap your head around that kind of logic.[/quote]

Teachers are not the most fragile element of our society and are also not the sole source of our children’s sustenance in a recession.We can pick up the slack and it is known that we will. I am the last to want to see teachers kicked to the curb and programs cut.

It is nuts however, to think that immigrants workers are not a large and fragile complementary component of our society. Kicking them too hard sends them right past the curb and into the gutter and we will not have such a complimentary experience with the consequences of that.

If changes are to be made with this number of vulnerable people, they should be made gradually and in good measure to possible economic,public health, crime, and humanitarian consequences. Despite how messed up everything seems, I believe that behind the limited view we have into politics and business there is serious consideration of these complex issues.

[Ricechex]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately. [/quote]

How much does the STATE of Ca spend on defence? I kinda thought that was a federal thing. 🙂
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My mistake, it is federal spending on Defense.

[Ricechex]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately. [/quote]

How much does the STATE of Ca spend on defence? I kinda thought that was a federal thing. 🙂
[/quote]

My mistake, it is federal spending on Defense.

[Ricechex]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately. [/quote]

How much does the STATE of Ca spend on defence? I kinda thought that was a federal thing. 🙂
[/quote]

My mistake, it is federal spending on Defense.

[Ricechex]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately. [/quote]

How much does the STATE of Ca spend on defence? I kinda thought that was a federal thing. 🙂
[/quote]

My mistake, it is federal spending on Defense.

[Ricechex]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=Ricechex]Bashing illegals is like bashing welfare recipients. Or like bashing the Fire Chief that has a good pension and other government workers. Not saying it is right or wrong, BUT, this is small potatoes and takes a very little slice of the pie. The biggest chunk of money is spent on Defense. Yeah, and many of us make our bread and butter in this City because of Defense spending, so perhaps we do not wish to look at this matter. OH, and I am not talking about spending on our sailors, those guys make a pittance unfortunately. [/quote]

How much does the STATE of Ca spend on defence? I kinda thought that was a federal thing. 🙂
[/quote]

My mistake, it is federal spending on Defense.

[Rt.66]

Well said Russell.

You are correct, its hard to imagine taking needed services away from those who had the bad luck to be born on the wrong side of the border.

Still, we are going to take state money away from people who work for that state money, and take it from disabled citizens, so we can keep giving it to illegals for freebies? From a black and white stand point it seems easy, but from the humanitarian standpoint we should demand none of these get cut.

I think we should handle this with trade. Instead of making poor illegal children go without medicine we should make it very difficult to buy a foriegn built car until the economy turns around. I see trade as the only answer, we need to keep more money here and we need to stop jobs heading over-seas. More US made goods gives us and new imigrants more jobs.

We are finding out what happens when you ship your moeny and jobs to other countries right now, and the folks on the bottom are feeling it first and worst.

[Rt.66]

Well said Russell.

You are correct, its hard to imagine taking needed services away from those who had the bad luck to be born on the wrong side of the border.

Still, we are going to take state money away from people who work for that state money, and take it from disabled citizens, so we can keep giving it to illegals for freebies? From a black and white stand point it seems easy, but from the humanitarian standpoint we should demand none of these get cut.

I think we should handle this with trade. Instead of making poor illegal children go without medicine we should make it very difficult to buy a foriegn built car until the economy turns around. I see trade as the only answer, we need to keep more money here and we need to stop jobs heading over-seas. More US made goods gives us and new imigrants more jobs.

We are finding out what happens when you ship your moeny and jobs to other countries right now, and the folks on the bottom are feeling it first and worst.

[Rt.66]

Well said Russell.

You are correct, its hard to imagine taking needed services away from those who had the bad luck to be born on the wrong side of the border.

Still, we are going to take state money away from people who work for that state money, and take it from disabled citizens, so we can keep giving it to illegals for freebies? From a black and white stand point it seems easy, but from the humanitarian standpoint we should demand none of these get cut.

I think we should handle this with trade. Instead of making poor illegal children go without medicine we should make it very difficult to buy a foriegn built car until the economy turns around. I see trade as the only answer, we need to keep more money here and we need to stop jobs heading over-seas. More US made goods gives us and new imigrants more jobs.

We are finding out what happens when you ship your moeny and jobs to other countries right now, and the folks on the bottom are feeling it first and worst.

[Rt.66]

Well said Russell.

You are correct, its hard to imagine taking needed services away from those who had the bad luck to be born on the wrong side of the border.

Still, we are going to take state money away from people who work for that state money, and take it from disabled citizens, so we can keep giving it to illegals for freebies? From a black and white stand point it seems easy, but from the humanitarian standpoint we should demand none of these get cut.

I think we should handle this with trade. Instead of making poor illegal children go without medicine we should make it very difficult to buy a foriegn built car until the economy turns around. I see trade as the only answer, we need to keep more money here and we need to stop jobs heading over-seas. More US made goods gives us and new imigrants more jobs.

We are finding out what happens when you ship your moeny and jobs to other countries right now, and the folks on the bottom are feeling it first and worst.

[Rt.66]

Well said Russell.

You are correct, its hard to imagine taking needed services away from those who had the bad luck to be born on the wrong side of the border.

Still, we are going to take state money away from people who work for that state money, and take it from disabled citizens, so we can keep giving it to illegals for freebies? From a black and white stand point it seems easy, but from the humanitarian standpoint we should demand none of these get cut.

I think we should handle this with trade. Instead of making poor illegal children go without medicine we should make it very difficult to buy a foriegn built car until the economy turns around. I see trade as the only answer, we need to keep more money here and we need to stop jobs heading over-seas. More US made goods gives us and new imigrants more jobs.

We are finding out what happens when you ship your moeny and jobs to other countries right now, and the folks on the bottom are feeling it first and worst.

[air_ogi]

Does $4 to $5B figure include the positive impact of illegal immigrants on state revenue (sales tax, …)?

[air_ogi]

Does $4 to $5B figure include the positive impact of illegal immigrants on state revenue (sales tax, …)?

[air_ogi]

Does $4 to $5B figure include the positive impact of illegal immigrants on state revenue (sales tax, …)?

[air_ogi]

Does $4 to $5B figure include the positive impact of illegal immigrants on state revenue (sales tax, …)?

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