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June 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM #414694June 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM #413985
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Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.[quote=Eugene]We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.[/quote]
Schools are not to blame? How very convenient. How about everyone is to blame. Parents and schools. We’re not Finland and we are more diverse, but please tell me what incentive does a teacher/school have in improving and helping good students excel instead of just bringing up the median and neglecting the smart kids. There are many things wrong with our school system. If you don’t think it’s a problem, then there should be no reason to fix it. That would mean you’re happy with the current result of the schools in SDUSD? I’m not, and I think many are not too, that’s why they move to other districts so they don’t have to send their kids to SDUSD.[quote=Eugene]Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.
Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.
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You’re assuming we have to run the school at full capacity? Why can’t we not just not use 1/3 of those class rooms or find better use for them? Why not expand the schools that keep more capacity and downsize the schools that don’t need that capacity anymore? IIRC, Lincoln was a complete tear down and rebuilt, right? Not just expansion?June 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM #414223Participant[quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.[quote=Eugene]We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.[/quote]
Schools are not to blame? How very convenient. How about everyone is to blame. Parents and schools. We’re not Finland and we are more diverse, but please tell me what incentive does a teacher/school have in improving and helping good students excel instead of just bringing up the median and neglecting the smart kids. There are many things wrong with our school system. If you don’t think it’s a problem, then there should be no reason to fix it. That would mean you’re happy with the current result of the schools in SDUSD? I’m not, and I think many are not too, that’s why they move to other districts so they don’t have to send their kids to SDUSD.[quote=Eugene]Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.
Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.
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You’re assuming we have to run the school at full capacity? Why can’t we not just not use 1/3 of those class rooms or find better use for them? Why not expand the schools that keep more capacity and downsize the schools that don’t need that capacity anymore? IIRC, Lincoln was a complete tear down and rebuilt, right? Not just expansion?June 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM #414476Participant[quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.[quote=Eugene]We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.[/quote]
Schools are not to blame? How very convenient. How about everyone is to blame. Parents and schools. We’re not Finland and we are more diverse, but please tell me what incentive does a teacher/school have in improving and helping good students excel instead of just bringing up the median and neglecting the smart kids. There are many things wrong with our school system. If you don’t think it’s a problem, then there should be no reason to fix it. That would mean you’re happy with the current result of the schools in SDUSD? I’m not, and I think many are not too, that’s why they move to other districts so they don’t have to send their kids to SDUSD.[quote=Eugene]Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.
Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.
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You’re assuming we have to run the school at full capacity? Why can’t we not just not use 1/3 of those class rooms or find better use for them? Why not expand the schools that keep more capacity and downsize the schools that don’t need that capacity anymore? IIRC, Lincoln was a complete tear down and rebuilt, right? Not just expansion?June 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM #414543Participant[quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.[quote=Eugene]We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.[/quote]
Schools are not to blame? How very convenient. How about everyone is to blame. Parents and schools. We’re not Finland and we are more diverse, but please tell me what incentive does a teacher/school have in improving and helping good students excel instead of just bringing up the median and neglecting the smart kids. There are many things wrong with our school system. If you don’t think it’s a problem, then there should be no reason to fix it. That would mean you’re happy with the current result of the schools in SDUSD? I’m not, and I think many are not too, that’s why they move to other districts so they don’t have to send their kids to SDUSD.[quote=Eugene]Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.
Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.
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You’re assuming we have to run the school at full capacity? Why can’t we not just not use 1/3 of those class rooms or find better use for them? Why not expand the schools that keep more capacity and downsize the schools that don’t need that capacity anymore? IIRC, Lincoln was a complete tear down and rebuilt, right? Not just expansion?June 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM #414700Participant[quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.[quote=Eugene]We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.[/quote]
Schools are not to blame? How very convenient. How about everyone is to blame. Parents and schools. We’re not Finland and we are more diverse, but please tell me what incentive does a teacher/school have in improving and helping good students excel instead of just bringing up the median and neglecting the smart kids. There are many things wrong with our school system. If you don’t think it’s a problem, then there should be no reason to fix it. That would mean you’re happy with the current result of the schools in SDUSD? I’m not, and I think many are not too, that’s why they move to other districts so they don’t have to send their kids to SDUSD.[quote=Eugene]Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.
Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.
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You’re assuming we have to run the school at full capacity? Why can’t we not just not use 1/3 of those class rooms or find better use for them? Why not expand the schools that keep more capacity and downsize the schools that don’t need that capacity anymore? IIRC, Lincoln was a complete tear down and rebuilt, right? Not just expansion?June 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM #413990Participant[quote=flu]I got a better idea.
Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…
Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.
Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).
Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.
i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.
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What you’re proposing is like our college systems and I fully support that too. I actually think that is the best system. That’s why our university system is the best in the world and many come here just to take advantage of it.June 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM #414228Participant[quote=flu]I got a better idea.
Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…
Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.
Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).
Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.
i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.
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What you’re proposing is like our college systems and I fully support that too. I actually think that is the best system. That’s why our university system is the best in the world and many come here just to take advantage of it.June 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM #414481Participant[quote=flu]I got a better idea.
Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…
Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.
Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).
Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.
i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.
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What you’re proposing is like our college systems and I fully support that too. I actually think that is the best system. That’s why our university system is the best in the world and many come here just to take advantage of it.June 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM #414548Participant[quote=flu]I got a better idea.
Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…
Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.
Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).
Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.
i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.
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What you’re proposing is like our college systems and I fully support that too. I actually think that is the best system. That’s why our university system is the best in the world and many come here just to take advantage of it.June 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM #414705Participant[quote=flu]I got a better idea.
Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…
Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.
Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).
Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.
i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.
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What you’re proposing is like our college systems and I fully support that too. I actually think that is the best system. That’s why our university system is the best in the world and many come here just to take advantage of it.June 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM #414000UCGal
Participant[quote=AN][quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.
[/quote]How is the lottery any different than the choice system currently in place? You can apply to any school in the district – and they have some semi-random way of picking who gets to go. Once you get one child into the choiced school – the younger siblings can follow on. I know a couple of families that have choiced into LJHS and even more who upgraded to UCHS from Clairemont and Madison.
My kids go to Curie and they have classmates who have choiced in because they didn’t like the schools in Clairemont.
June 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM #414237Participant[quote=AN][quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.
[/quote]How is the lottery any different than the choice system currently in place? You can apply to any school in the district – and they have some semi-random way of picking who gets to go. Once you get one child into the choiced school – the younger siblings can follow on. I know a couple of families that have choiced into LJHS and even more who upgraded to UCHS from Clairemont and Madison.
My kids go to Curie and they have classmates who have choiced in because they didn’t like the schools in Clairemont.
June 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM #414491Participant[quote=AN][quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.
[/quote]How is the lottery any different than the choice system currently in place? You can apply to any school in the district – and they have some semi-random way of picking who gets to go. Once you get one child into the choiced school – the younger siblings can follow on. I know a couple of families that have choiced into LJHS and even more who upgraded to UCHS from Clairemont and Madison.
My kids go to Curie and they have classmates who have choiced in because they didn’t like the schools in Clairemont.
June 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM #414558Participant[quote=AN][quote=Eugene]
Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?[/quote]
I’m thinking a long the line of your second option, which is a lottery. Do you think parents who do not care about their kids’ education would take advantage of the voucher system? I personally think it would be the parents who do care that will take full advantage of it.
[/quote]How is the lottery any different than the choice system currently in place? You can apply to any school in the district – and they have some semi-random way of picking who gets to go. Once you get one child into the choiced school – the younger siblings can follow on. I know a couple of families that have choiced into LJHS and even more who upgraded to UCHS from Clairemont and Madison.
My kids go to Curie and they have classmates who have choiced in because they didn’t like the schools in Clairemont.
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