San Diego Unified SD: Trustee spearheads idea to divide school district

[Eugene]

[quote]Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools. [/quote]

Compare the amount of homebuilding that took place in north county vs. SDUSD in the last 20 years. Carmel Valley tripled in size, Carlsbad probably doubled, 20 years ago there was no Fairbanks Ranch, no Olivenhain, no Cielo, etc. etc.

On the other hand, total enrollment in SDUSD today is roughly on the same level it was in 1970 (when baby boomers were in secondary school). The only neighborhoods built since then were Mira Mesa, Sorrento Valley, parts of Scripps Ranch. Total population grew slightly, ratio of school-age kids to total population declined.

[quote]What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.[/quote]

Like I said, coastal schools would be left underutilized. Also, building is expensive. That Lincoln HS renovation I mentioned (which added 2000 seats, less than 2% of total enrollment in the district) was 4 times the entire annual transportation budget of the district.

Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
[/quote]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. If the school don’t improve, then they’ll lose students. Those parents who take an active role in their child’s education wouldn’t be held back by their social economic condition or you wouldn’t have to buy a house in certain area just because you want to send you kids to a particular school.

Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.

Personally, I don’t think this will happen either since the SDUSD will fight tooth and nail to prevent this from happening. But one can dream.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
[/quote]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. If the school don’t improve, then they’ll lose students. Those parents who take an active role in their child’s education wouldn’t be held back by their social economic condition or you wouldn’t have to buy a house in certain area just because you want to send you kids to a particular school.

Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.

Personally, I don’t think this will happen either since the SDUSD will fight tooth and nail to prevent this from happening. But one can dream.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
[/quote]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. If the school don’t improve, then they’ll lose students. Those parents who take an active role in their child’s education wouldn’t be held back by their social economic condition or you wouldn’t have to buy a house in certain area just because you want to send you kids to a particular school.

Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.

Personally, I don’t think this will happen either since the SDUSD will fight tooth and nail to prevent this from happening. But one can dream.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
[/quote]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. If the school don’t improve, then they’ll lose students. Those parents who take an active role in their child’s education wouldn’t be held back by their social economic condition or you wouldn’t have to buy a house in certain area just because you want to send you kids to a particular school.

Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.

Personally, I don’t think this will happen either since the SDUSD will fight tooth and nail to prevent this from happening. But one can dream.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
[/quote]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. If the school don’t improve, then they’ll lose students. Those parents who take an active role in their child’s education wouldn’t be held back by their social economic condition or you wouldn’t have to buy a house in certain area just because you want to send you kids to a particular school.

Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.

Personally, I don’t think this will happen either since the SDUSD will fight tooth and nail to prevent this from happening. But one can dream.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. [/quote]

Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?

I see two options.

One is that local neighborhood kids take precedence, in which case not much will change compared with today’s system. San Dieguito and Poway districts will get more “diverse” (colored) and that will be all.

The other is that all vouchers brought to a school participate in a lottery. In that case, all schools will end up having roughly the same averaged demographics: 44% hispanic, 33% white, 46% free lunches, 25% English learners. Transportation expenses will explode, schools will be forced to cut on essential services to get their kids to school. Next thing that happens is that whites and asians will be pulling out their kids from public schools and taking them to LJCD and Francis Parker.

Something similar happened in San Francisco, I think. They don’t have vouchers per se, but they have open enrollment … and the outcome is that 30% of kids in San Francisco attend private schools.

We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.

[quote]
Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.[/quote]

Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.

Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. [/quote]

Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?

I see two options.

One is that local neighborhood kids take precedence, in which case not much will change compared with today’s system. San Dieguito and Poway districts will get more “diverse” (colored) and that will be all.

The other is that all vouchers brought to a school participate in a lottery. In that case, all schools will end up having roughly the same averaged demographics: 44% hispanic, 33% white, 46% free lunches, 25% English learners. Transportation expenses will explode, schools will be forced to cut on essential services to get their kids to school. Next thing that happens is that whites and asians will be pulling out their kids from public schools and taking them to LJCD and Francis Parker.

Something similar happened in San Francisco, I think. They don’t have vouchers per se, but they have open enrollment … and the outcome is that 30% of kids in San Francisco attend private schools.

We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.

[quote]
Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.[/quote]

Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.

Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. [/quote]

Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?

I see two options.

One is that local neighborhood kids take precedence, in which case not much will change compared with today’s system. San Dieguito and Poway districts will get more “diverse” (colored) and that will be all.

The other is that all vouchers brought to a school participate in a lottery. In that case, all schools will end up having roughly the same averaged demographics: 44% hispanic, 33% white, 46% free lunches, 25% English learners. Transportation expenses will explode, schools will be forced to cut on essential services to get their kids to school. Next thing that happens is that whites and asians will be pulling out their kids from public schools and taking them to LJCD and Francis Parker.

Something similar happened in San Francisco, I think. They don’t have vouchers per se, but they have open enrollment … and the outcome is that 30% of kids in San Francisco attend private schools.

We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.

[quote]
Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.[/quote]

Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.

Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. [/quote]

Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?

I see two options.

One is that local neighborhood kids take precedence, in which case not much will change compared with today’s system. San Dieguito and Poway districts will get more “diverse” (colored) and that will be all.

The other is that all vouchers brought to a school participate in a lottery. In that case, all schools will end up having roughly the same averaged demographics: 44% hispanic, 33% white, 46% free lunches, 25% English learners. Transportation expenses will explode, schools will be forced to cut on essential services to get their kids to school. Next thing that happens is that whites and asians will be pulling out their kids from public schools and taking them to LJCD and Francis Parker.

Something similar happened in San Francisco, I think. They don’t have vouchers per se, but they have open enrollment … and the outcome is that 30% of kids in San Francisco attend private schools.

We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.

[quote]
Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.[/quote]

Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.

Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
If voucher system gets implemented the way they do in Finland, you wouldn’t be tied to SDUSD. You can send your kids to Torrey Pines, Westview, etc. [/quote]

Okay, so how would it work if 80% of parents in the county (130,000 high school students) take their vouchers to Torrey Pines and Westview (combined capacity – 6,000 students)?

I see two options.

One is that local neighborhood kids take precedence, in which case not much will change compared with today’s system. San Dieguito and Poway districts will get more “diverse” (colored) and that will be all.

The other is that all vouchers brought to a school participate in a lottery. In that case, all schools will end up having roughly the same averaged demographics: 44% hispanic, 33% white, 46% free lunches, 25% English learners. Transportation expenses will explode, schools will be forced to cut on essential services to get their kids to school. Next thing that happens is that whites and asians will be pulling out their kids from public schools and taking them to LJCD and Francis Parker.

Something similar happened in San Francisco, I think. They don’t have vouchers per se, but they have open enrollment … and the outcome is that 30% of kids in San Francisco attend private schools.

We’re not in Finland, Dorothy. Schools are not to blame for their poor scores. It’s all demographics.

[quote]
Please show me data that schools is being underutilized? If anything, it’s being overcrowded right now. So a 30% drop in students would be a good thing. 20-25 students/class room would be better than 30-35 students/class room. MMHS just recently (w/in the last 10 years) build a big 2 stories building just to accommodate the student growth. I’m not too sure about UCHS, but if you noticed, Clairemont and Linda Vista is part of this new proposed district too.[/quote]

Some north county schools may be overcrowded because more than a third of their population comes from south of the 8.

Even with busing, average class size is 19 students in Madison High, 22 students in LJ High, 24 students in Clairemont/University City/Point Loma High. Post split these numbers would go to 12, 14 and 16. MMHS and SRHS are the only schools in the “coastal” district that qualify as overcrowded.

[Coronita]

I got a better idea.

Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…

Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.

Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).

Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.

i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.

[Coronita]

I got a better idea.

Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…

Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.

Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).

Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.

i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.

[Coronita]

I got a better idea.

Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…

Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.

Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).

Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.

i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.

[Coronita]

I got a better idea.

Why not do it like what they do overseas. Have entrance exams that ranks all students in SD from top to bottom. Then each kid gets to pick where they go, from top to bottom…

Of course it wouldn’t be just about academics. Great jocks would have an extrance exam for sports too.

Eliminate the randomness of vouchers and geography and replace it with more of a system based on merit and kid’s ability(ies).

Rank the teachers too. Top rank teachers get to pick where they want to teach..Bottom rank teachers get stuck with the leftovers.

i guess that would be too elitist for most people though.

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