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June 11, 2009 at 2:07 AM #414409June 11, 2009 at 10:30 AM #413781
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Participant[quote=Eugene]
They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.
As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).
Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.[/quote]
Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools.I’m glad they renovated Lincoln HS. It was much needed. Do you have prove that schools would be left underutilized if busing doesn’t exist? If anything, it leave some school w/ the right size instead of overcrowding and would show that areas down south NEED more schools.
Once again, even a (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic) demographic is not that staggering when compare to other north county schools. If you want shocking, check out Canyon Crest Academy. All this does is drive those who want better schools out of SDUSD to other school districts. Minority tend to sticks together. Just look at Mira Mesa as a prime example. There’s about 30% filipino and 20% asian. White only account for 20% of the the school. What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.
June 11, 2009 at 10:30 AM #414021an
Participant[quote=Eugene]
They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.
As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).
Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.[/quote]
Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools.I’m glad they renovated Lincoln HS. It was much needed. Do you have prove that schools would be left underutilized if busing doesn’t exist? If anything, it leave some school w/ the right size instead of overcrowding and would show that areas down south NEED more schools.
Once again, even a (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic) demographic is not that staggering when compare to other north county schools. If you want shocking, check out Canyon Crest Academy. All this does is drive those who want better schools out of SDUSD to other school districts. Minority tend to sticks together. Just look at Mira Mesa as a prime example. There’s about 30% filipino and 20% asian. White only account for 20% of the the school. What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.
June 11, 2009 at 10:30 AM #414271an
Participant[quote=Eugene]
They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.
As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).
Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.[/quote]
Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools.I’m glad they renovated Lincoln HS. It was much needed. Do you have prove that schools would be left underutilized if busing doesn’t exist? If anything, it leave some school w/ the right size instead of overcrowding and would show that areas down south NEED more schools.
Once again, even a (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic) demographic is not that staggering when compare to other north county schools. If you want shocking, check out Canyon Crest Academy. All this does is drive those who want better schools out of SDUSD to other school districts. Minority tend to sticks together. Just look at Mira Mesa as a prime example. There’s about 30% filipino and 20% asian. White only account for 20% of the the school. What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.
June 11, 2009 at 10:30 AM #414340an
Participant[quote=Eugene]
They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.
As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).
Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.[/quote]
Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools.I’m glad they renovated Lincoln HS. It was much needed. Do you have prove that schools would be left underutilized if busing doesn’t exist? If anything, it leave some school w/ the right size instead of overcrowding and would show that areas down south NEED more schools.
Once again, even a (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic) demographic is not that staggering when compare to other north county schools. If you want shocking, check out Canyon Crest Academy. All this does is drive those who want better schools out of SDUSD to other school districts. Minority tend to sticks together. Just look at Mira Mesa as a prime example. There’s about 30% filipino and 20% asian. White only account for 20% of the the school. What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.
June 11, 2009 at 10:30 AM #414494an
Participant[quote=Eugene]
They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.
As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).
Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.[/quote]
Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools.I’m glad they renovated Lincoln HS. It was much needed. Do you have prove that schools would be left underutilized if busing doesn’t exist? If anything, it leave some school w/ the right size instead of overcrowding and would show that areas down south NEED more schools.
Once again, even a (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic) demographic is not that staggering when compare to other north county schools. If you want shocking, check out Canyon Crest Academy. All this does is drive those who want better schools out of SDUSD to other school districts. Minority tend to sticks together. Just look at Mira Mesa as a prime example. There’s about 30% filipino and 20% asian. White only account for 20% of the the school. What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.
June 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM #413871UCGal
ParticipantI’ve been thinking about this since I read it yesterday. Aren’t school districts funded, in part, by property taxes within their boundaries.
I don’t think this plan is about race – it’s about $$$.
If you carve off the coast (more expensive real estate) then the per-student allotment can be higher. Too bad for those folks who live in less expensive areas.
Demographics also suggest that more expensive areas have higher numbers of college educated professionals than less expensive neighborhoods – so you’re also selecting, in a broad statistical way, a potentially higher performing student population.
Eugene mentioned UC – which is my ‘hood… I noticed he didn’t mention Spreckel’s demographics. Spreckels is a Spanish Language Magnet – so it draws from the entire district – and has a MUCH higher ratio of hispanic compared to the other 2 elementaries that feed into UCHS. (Which might be a factor for why UCHS student body is more hispanic than the neighborhood at large.)
Personally, I like diversity. I also see this plan as dead, politically… not going to happen. But, realistically, it might improve Standley MS and UCHS – which is where my kids will be attending.
June 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM #414108UCGal
ParticipantI’ve been thinking about this since I read it yesterday. Aren’t school districts funded, in part, by property taxes within their boundaries.
I don’t think this plan is about race – it’s about $$$.
If you carve off the coast (more expensive real estate) then the per-student allotment can be higher. Too bad for those folks who live in less expensive areas.
Demographics also suggest that more expensive areas have higher numbers of college educated professionals than less expensive neighborhoods – so you’re also selecting, in a broad statistical way, a potentially higher performing student population.
Eugene mentioned UC – which is my ‘hood… I noticed he didn’t mention Spreckel’s demographics. Spreckels is a Spanish Language Magnet – so it draws from the entire district – and has a MUCH higher ratio of hispanic compared to the other 2 elementaries that feed into UCHS. (Which might be a factor for why UCHS student body is more hispanic than the neighborhood at large.)
Personally, I like diversity. I also see this plan as dead, politically… not going to happen. But, realistically, it might improve Standley MS and UCHS – which is where my kids will be attending.
June 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM #414361UCGal
ParticipantI’ve been thinking about this since I read it yesterday. Aren’t school districts funded, in part, by property taxes within their boundaries.
I don’t think this plan is about race – it’s about $$$.
If you carve off the coast (more expensive real estate) then the per-student allotment can be higher. Too bad for those folks who live in less expensive areas.
Demographics also suggest that more expensive areas have higher numbers of college educated professionals than less expensive neighborhoods – so you’re also selecting, in a broad statistical way, a potentially higher performing student population.
Eugene mentioned UC – which is my ‘hood… I noticed he didn’t mention Spreckel’s demographics. Spreckels is a Spanish Language Magnet – so it draws from the entire district – and has a MUCH higher ratio of hispanic compared to the other 2 elementaries that feed into UCHS. (Which might be a factor for why UCHS student body is more hispanic than the neighborhood at large.)
Personally, I like diversity. I also see this plan as dead, politically… not going to happen. But, realistically, it might improve Standley MS and UCHS – which is where my kids will be attending.
June 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM #414430UCGal
ParticipantI’ve been thinking about this since I read it yesterday. Aren’t school districts funded, in part, by property taxes within their boundaries.
I don’t think this plan is about race – it’s about $$$.
If you carve off the coast (more expensive real estate) then the per-student allotment can be higher. Too bad for those folks who live in less expensive areas.
Demographics also suggest that more expensive areas have higher numbers of college educated professionals than less expensive neighborhoods – so you’re also selecting, in a broad statistical way, a potentially higher performing student population.
Eugene mentioned UC – which is my ‘hood… I noticed he didn’t mention Spreckel’s demographics. Spreckels is a Spanish Language Magnet – so it draws from the entire district – and has a MUCH higher ratio of hispanic compared to the other 2 elementaries that feed into UCHS. (Which might be a factor for why UCHS student body is more hispanic than the neighborhood at large.)
Personally, I like diversity. I also see this plan as dead, politically… not going to happen. But, realistically, it might improve Standley MS and UCHS – which is where my kids will be attending.
June 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM #414585UCGal
ParticipantI’ve been thinking about this since I read it yesterday. Aren’t school districts funded, in part, by property taxes within their boundaries.
I don’t think this plan is about race – it’s about $$$.
If you carve off the coast (more expensive real estate) then the per-student allotment can be higher. Too bad for those folks who live in less expensive areas.
Demographics also suggest that more expensive areas have higher numbers of college educated professionals than less expensive neighborhoods – so you’re also selecting, in a broad statistical way, a potentially higher performing student population.
Eugene mentioned UC – which is my ‘hood… I noticed he didn’t mention Spreckel’s demographics. Spreckels is a Spanish Language Magnet – so it draws from the entire district – and has a MUCH higher ratio of hispanic compared to the other 2 elementaries that feed into UCHS. (Which might be a factor for why UCHS student body is more hispanic than the neighborhood at large.)
Personally, I like diversity. I also see this plan as dead, politically… not going to happen. But, realistically, it might improve Standley MS and UCHS – which is where my kids will be attending.
June 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM #413890Eugene
Participant[quote]Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools. [/quote]
Compare the amount of homebuilding that took place in north county vs. SDUSD in the last 20 years. Carmel Valley tripled in size, Carlsbad probably doubled, 20 years ago there was no Fairbanks Ranch, no Olivenhain, no Cielo, etc. etc.
On the other hand, total enrollment in SDUSD today is roughly on the same level it was in 1970 (when baby boomers were in secondary school). The only neighborhoods built since then were Mira Mesa, Sorrento Valley, parts of Scripps Ranch. Total population grew slightly, ratio of school-age kids to total population declined.
[quote]What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.[/quote]
Like I said, coastal schools would be left underutilized. Also, building is expensive. That Lincoln HS renovation I mentioned (which added 2000 seats, less than 2% of total enrollment in the district) was 4 times the entire annual transportation budget of the district.
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
June 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM #414129Eugene
Participant[quote]Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools. [/quote]
Compare the amount of homebuilding that took place in north county vs. SDUSD in the last 20 years. Carmel Valley tripled in size, Carlsbad probably doubled, 20 years ago there was no Fairbanks Ranch, no Olivenhain, no Cielo, etc. etc.
On the other hand, total enrollment in SDUSD today is roughly on the same level it was in 1970 (when baby boomers were in secondary school). The only neighborhoods built since then were Mira Mesa, Sorrento Valley, parts of Scripps Ranch. Total population grew slightly, ratio of school-age kids to total population declined.
[quote]What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.[/quote]
Like I said, coastal schools would be left underutilized. Also, building is expensive. That Lincoln HS renovation I mentioned (which added 2000 seats, less than 2% of total enrollment in the district) was 4 times the entire annual transportation budget of the district.
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
June 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM #414381Eugene
Participant[quote]Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools. [/quote]
Compare the amount of homebuilding that took place in north county vs. SDUSD in the last 20 years. Carmel Valley tripled in size, Carlsbad probably doubled, 20 years ago there was no Fairbanks Ranch, no Olivenhain, no Cielo, etc. etc.
On the other hand, total enrollment in SDUSD today is roughly on the same level it was in 1970 (when baby boomers were in secondary school). The only neighborhoods built since then were Mira Mesa, Sorrento Valley, parts of Scripps Ranch. Total population grew slightly, ratio of school-age kids to total population declined.
[quote]What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.[/quote]
Like I said, coastal schools would be left underutilized. Also, building is expensive. That Lincoln HS renovation I mentioned (which added 2000 seats, less than 2% of total enrollment in the district) was 4 times the entire annual transportation budget of the district.
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
June 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM #414450Eugene
Participant[quote]Once again, all the north county schools not in SDUSD that I listed have predominantly white whith % as high as 80+% in case of Canyon Crest. So, if these are predominantly white/asian, why then do they have enough students to fill their schools? I don’t understand your argument about ares having predominantly white/asian not having enough students to fill schools. [/quote]
Compare the amount of homebuilding that took place in north county vs. SDUSD in the last 20 years. Carmel Valley tripled in size, Carlsbad probably doubled, 20 years ago there was no Fairbanks Ranch, no Olivenhain, no Cielo, etc. etc.
On the other hand, total enrollment in SDUSD today is roughly on the same level it was in 1970 (when baby boomers were in secondary school). The only neighborhoods built since then were Mira Mesa, Sorrento Valley, parts of Scripps Ranch. Total population grew slightly, ratio of school-age kids to total population declined.
[quote]What’s so wrong w/ building more schools down south and have the student go to school close to where they live? We already prevent free choice by not having a voucher system. What good is diversity if it’s purely for diversity sake.[/quote]
Like I said, coastal schools would be left underutilized. Also, building is expensive. That Lincoln HS renovation I mentioned (which added 2000 seats, less than 2% of total enrollment in the district) was 4 times the entire annual transportation budget of the district.
Re: vouchers, what would your voucher system do when 80% of SDUSD parents bring their vouchers to La Jolla High and Scripps Ranch High?
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