San Diego Unified SD: Trustee spearheads idea to divide school district

[an]

[quote=ocrenter]
The breakup is not going to happen, as the first thing that is brought up is race. and when race is brought up, all discussion stop.

The issue here is the question of are large school districts truly bad for students. There is some truth to that. when an organization gets to a certain size, by nature layers of bureaucracy start to make changes slow to a craw.

but the coastal vs inland school districts would have similar problems, as they will still be quite large.

so why not divide by four?

or simply maintain the same large district but transfer more power from central administration to individual groupings of schools centered by a high school–in essence, multiple mini school districts.

the coastal vs inland thing is politically dead on arrival. time to move on to a better idea.[/quote]
I would love to throw the race card right back at those who dealt it. White is only the majority in Scripps and La Jolla High. The rest, whites are actually the minority. Even at Scripps and I think La Jolla too, whites do not command 50+% of the population.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
I would love to throw the race card right back at those who dealt it. White is only the majority in Scripps and La Jolla High. The rest, whites are actually the minority. Even at Scripps and I think La Jolla too, whites do not command 50+% of the population.[/quote]

Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).

Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
I would love to throw the race card right back at those who dealt it. White is only the majority in Scripps and La Jolla High. The rest, whites are actually the minority. Even at Scripps and I think La Jolla too, whites do not command 50+% of the population.[/quote]

Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).

Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
I would love to throw the race card right back at those who dealt it. White is only the majority in Scripps and La Jolla High. The rest, whites are actually the minority. Even at Scripps and I think La Jolla too, whites do not command 50+% of the population.[/quote]

Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).

Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
I would love to throw the race card right back at those who dealt it. White is only the majority in Scripps and La Jolla High. The rest, whites are actually the minority. Even at Scripps and I think La Jolla too, whites do not command 50+% of the population.[/quote]

Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).

Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
I would love to throw the race card right back at those who dealt it. White is only the majority in Scripps and La Jolla High. The rest, whites are actually the minority. Even at Scripps and I think La Jolla too, whites do not command 50+% of the population.[/quote]

Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).

Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).[/quote]

University City HS
37% white, 34% hispanic.

Point Loma HS
47% hispanic, 41% white

Madison HS
49% hispanic, 26% white

Kearny HS
38% hispanic, 19% white

Mira Mesa HS
30% filipino, 20% asian, 20% white

Scripps HS
48% white, 19% asian (closest to 50% white)

La Jolla HS
59% white, 26% hispanic (only one w/ 50+% white)

Some reference to other schools not in SDUSD:
Torrey Pines HS
62% white, 24% asian

Canyon Crest Academy
84% white, 9% asian

Westview HS
57% white, 21% asian

Mt. Carmel HS
52% white, 14% asian

RB HS
61% white, 16% asian

So, bottom line is, even w/ LJHS being the highest % of white, it’s still only on the bottom end when compare to other schools in better districts.

[quote=Eugene]Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.[/quote]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).[/quote]

University City HS
37% white, 34% hispanic.

Point Loma HS
47% hispanic, 41% white

Madison HS
49% hispanic, 26% white

Kearny HS
38% hispanic, 19% white

Mira Mesa HS
30% filipino, 20% asian, 20% white

Scripps HS
48% white, 19% asian (closest to 50% white)

La Jolla HS
59% white, 26% hispanic (only one w/ 50+% white)

Some reference to other schools not in SDUSD:
Torrey Pines HS
62% white, 24% asian

Canyon Crest Academy
84% white, 9% asian

Westview HS
57% white, 21% asian

Mt. Carmel HS
52% white, 14% asian

RB HS
61% white, 16% asian

So, bottom line is, even w/ LJHS being the highest % of white, it’s still only on the bottom end when compare to other schools in better districts.

[quote=Eugene]Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.[/quote]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).[/quote]

University City HS
37% white, 34% hispanic.

Point Loma HS
47% hispanic, 41% white

Madison HS
49% hispanic, 26% white

Kearny HS
38% hispanic, 19% white

Mira Mesa HS
30% filipino, 20% asian, 20% white

Scripps HS
48% white, 19% asian (closest to 50% white)

La Jolla HS
59% white, 26% hispanic (only one w/ 50+% white)

Some reference to other schools not in SDUSD:
Torrey Pines HS
62% white, 24% asian

Canyon Crest Academy
84% white, 9% asian

Westview HS
57% white, 21% asian

Mt. Carmel HS
52% white, 14% asian

RB HS
61% white, 16% asian

So, bottom line is, even w/ LJHS being the highest % of white, it’s still only on the bottom end when compare to other schools in better districts.

[quote=Eugene]Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.[/quote]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).[/quote]

University City HS
37% white, 34% hispanic.

Point Loma HS
47% hispanic, 41% white

Madison HS
49% hispanic, 26% white

Kearny HS
38% hispanic, 19% white

Mira Mesa HS
30% filipino, 20% asian, 20% white

Scripps HS
48% white, 19% asian (closest to 50% white)

La Jolla HS
59% white, 26% hispanic (only one w/ 50+% white)

Some reference to other schools not in SDUSD:
Torrey Pines HS
62% white, 24% asian

Canyon Crest Academy
84% white, 9% asian

Westview HS
57% white, 21% asian

Mt. Carmel HS
52% white, 14% asian

RB HS
61% white, 16% asian

So, bottom line is, even w/ LJHS being the highest % of white, it’s still only on the bottom end when compare to other schools in better districts.

[quote=Eugene]Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.[/quote]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.

[an]

[quote=Eugene]
Whites are the majority in University City High. Point Loma High and Clairemont High are close to 50:50.

The real question though is not the majority race today, but the majority race post-split. Without bused inner-city kids, University City, Point Loma, Scripps Ranch, and Clairemont High would all have >50% whites, and La Jolla High would be white as sour cream (mixed with a small dose of miso soup).[/quote]

University City HS
37% white, 34% hispanic.

Point Loma HS
47% hispanic, 41% white

Madison HS
49% hispanic, 26% white

Kearny HS
38% hispanic, 19% white

Mira Mesa HS
30% filipino, 20% asian, 20% white

Scripps HS
48% white, 19% asian (closest to 50% white)

La Jolla HS
59% white, 26% hispanic (only one w/ 50+% white)

Some reference to other schools not in SDUSD:
Torrey Pines HS
62% white, 24% asian

Canyon Crest Academy
84% white, 9% asian

Westview HS
57% white, 21% asian

Mt. Carmel HS
52% white, 14% asian

RB HS
61% white, 16% asian

So, bottom line is, even w/ LJHS being the highest % of white, it’s still only on the bottom end when compare to other schools in better districts.

[quote=Eugene]Which raises an important point. Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them. Thus the busing. The proposed coastal district takes all white schools except Henry High. That would make all schools left in SDUSD severely overpopulated.[/quote]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.[/quote]

They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).

Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.

As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).

Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.[/quote]

They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).

Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.

As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).

Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.[/quote]

They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).

Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.

As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).

Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.

[Eugene]

[quote=AN]
Please look at the above data to disprove your statement of “Schools in white areas are underpopulated. There aren’t enough neighborhood children to fill them.” Students are being bussed to MMHS, yet, MMHS itself is overcrowded. It has always been overcrowded, that’s why Scripps Ranch was created, to reduce the overcrowding. If other areas down south are even more overcrowded, why waste money and time busing students instead of just build more or bigger school in areas where they live? Unless you want to propose a voucher system, which I would totally support.[/quote]

They did pour a lot of money into renovating Lincoln HS and increasing its capacity by some 2000 students (SESD/Encanto). But busing is cheaper than building new schools, especially when existing schools would be left underutilized. Scripps Ranch (the area east of Black Mountain and north of Lake Miramar) was the last area in San Diego Unified that experienced any major homebuilding since 1990. The rest was built out long time ago. Any changes in overcrowding since then are due to demographic shifts (and lately due to NCLB).

Take UCHS, for example. University City is an older, established neighborhood. Median age is in the 40’s. Furthermore, it’s mostly whites and asians and neither like to have kids. New kids are mostly made south of the 8. So it was the right size for the neighborhood back in the 80’s when it was built, but now it’s just too big. The same thing happens with Henry High in San Carlos. On the other hand, City Heights, Kensington, etc. used to be populated by whites 20-30 years ago, and now those areas are home to Hispanic and African immigrants, often with 3+ kids per household. The remaining whites choice their kids over to Henry High. The district evens things out further by busing around some minority kids.

As a result of reshuffling. UCHS is, as you say, 37% white, 34% hispanic. Without busing it would be more like Doyle Elementary (40% white, 31% asian, 20% hispanic) or Curie Elementary (60% white, 16% asian, 15% hispanic).

Its accountability card states quite straightforwardly that around 34% of its students come from outside its local boundaries. Some of these choice over from Clairemont High (which sucks quite a bit more than UCHS) but many are bused from inner city. In Clairemont High the percentage is 36%. There’s no data for Point Loma and La Jolla, but I’d expect similar bussing rates.

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