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June 11, 2009 at 4:12 PM #414778June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM #414069
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Participant[quote=Eugene]In schools like TPHS or RBHS, the opposite could happen – your kids could be denied access to AP classes due to limited space and strict prerequisites.
An example I gave in Mahogany/Rockledge thread is that San Dieguito requires 4 years of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Calculus/Statistics, and one year of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Chemistry. RBHS has especially low AP exam rate per student, given its demographics. Both MMHS and SRHS students take more AP exams than RBHS students. SRHS students pass more AP exams per capita, too. Something’s fishy there, too.
And then there are other aspects, such as class rank and weighted GPA …[/quote]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.
You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. It’s kind of like having a 4.0 in SDSU vs getting a 3.5 in MIT.
June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM #414307Participant[quote=Eugene]In schools like TPHS or RBHS, the opposite could happen – your kids could be denied access to AP classes due to limited space and strict prerequisites.
An example I gave in Mahogany/Rockledge thread is that San Dieguito requires 4 years of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Calculus/Statistics, and one year of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Chemistry. RBHS has especially low AP exam rate per student, given its demographics. Both MMHS and SRHS students take more AP exams than RBHS students. SRHS students pass more AP exams per capita, too. Something’s fishy there, too.
And then there are other aspects, such as class rank and weighted GPA …[/quote]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.
You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. It’s kind of like having a 4.0 in SDSU vs getting a 3.5 in MIT.
June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM #414561Participant[quote=Eugene]In schools like TPHS or RBHS, the opposite could happen – your kids could be denied access to AP classes due to limited space and strict prerequisites.
An example I gave in Mahogany/Rockledge thread is that San Dieguito requires 4 years of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Calculus/Statistics, and one year of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Chemistry. RBHS has especially low AP exam rate per student, given its demographics. Both MMHS and SRHS students take more AP exams than RBHS students. SRHS students pass more AP exams per capita, too. Something’s fishy there, too.
And then there are other aspects, such as class rank and weighted GPA …[/quote]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.
You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. It’s kind of like having a 4.0 in SDSU vs getting a 3.5 in MIT.
June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM #414628Participant[quote=Eugene]In schools like TPHS or RBHS, the opposite could happen – your kids could be denied access to AP classes due to limited space and strict prerequisites.
An example I gave in Mahogany/Rockledge thread is that San Dieguito requires 4 years of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Calculus/Statistics, and one year of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Chemistry. RBHS has especially low AP exam rate per student, given its demographics. Both MMHS and SRHS students take more AP exams than RBHS students. SRHS students pass more AP exams per capita, too. Something’s fishy there, too.
And then there are other aspects, such as class rank and weighted GPA …[/quote]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.
You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. It’s kind of like having a 4.0 in SDSU vs getting a 3.5 in MIT.
June 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM #414783Participant[quote=Eugene]In schools like TPHS or RBHS, the opposite could happen – your kids could be denied access to AP classes due to limited space and strict prerequisites.
An example I gave in Mahogany/Rockledge thread is that San Dieguito requires 4 years of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Calculus/Statistics, and one year of honors algebra as a prerequisite for AP Chemistry. RBHS has especially low AP exam rate per student, given its demographics. Both MMHS and SRHS students take more AP exams than RBHS students. SRHS students pass more AP exams per capita, too. Something’s fishy there, too.
And then there are other aspects, such as class rank and weighted GPA …[/quote]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.
You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. It’s kind of like having a 4.0 in SDSU vs getting a 3.5 in MIT.
June 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM #414073sdduuuude
Participant[quote=AN]
And the voucher system as you described will achieve the exact opposite, by mixing kids with different skills and socioeconomic backgrounds even further.[/quote]Don’t count on it. When parents get to choose their school, it means that parents who like the same things will tend to choose the same schools.
If the parents choose first, then a lottery is used to decide who gets their first choice, then there is a bit of self-selection going on there.
Schools may even tend to gear their school to a specific kind of student.
June 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM #414312Participant[quote=AN]
And the voucher system as you described will achieve the exact opposite, by mixing kids with different skills and socioeconomic backgrounds even further.[/quote]Don’t count on it. When parents get to choose their school, it means that parents who like the same things will tend to choose the same schools.
If the parents choose first, then a lottery is used to decide who gets their first choice, then there is a bit of self-selection going on there.
Schools may even tend to gear their school to a specific kind of student.
June 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM #414566Participant[quote=AN]
And the voucher system as you described will achieve the exact opposite, by mixing kids with different skills and socioeconomic backgrounds even further.[/quote]Don’t count on it. When parents get to choose their school, it means that parents who like the same things will tend to choose the same schools.
If the parents choose first, then a lottery is used to decide who gets their first choice, then there is a bit of self-selection going on there.
Schools may even tend to gear their school to a specific kind of student.
June 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM #414633Participant[quote=AN]
And the voucher system as you described will achieve the exact opposite, by mixing kids with different skills and socioeconomic backgrounds even further.[/quote]Don’t count on it. When parents get to choose their school, it means that parents who like the same things will tend to choose the same schools.
If the parents choose first, then a lottery is used to decide who gets their first choice, then there is a bit of self-selection going on there.
Schools may even tend to gear their school to a specific kind of student.
June 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM #414788Participant[quote=AN]
And the voucher system as you described will achieve the exact opposite, by mixing kids with different skills and socioeconomic backgrounds even further.[/quote]Don’t count on it. When parents get to choose their school, it means that parents who like the same things will tend to choose the same schools.
If the parents choose first, then a lottery is used to decide who gets their first choice, then there is a bit of self-selection going on there.
Schools may even tend to gear their school to a specific kind of student.
June 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM #414089Eugene
Participant[quote=AN]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.[/quote]If your kid does not clear all the requirements (written and unwritten), that severely limits his chances of getting into a good university.
Also, if we know that MMHS students are, on average, stupider and less motivated than RBHS students, but they end up taking more advanced classes per capita, that means that requirements in RBHS are stricter.
[quote]I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.[/quote]
That does not agree with facts. Numbers of AP exams taken per senior last year: Poway High – 1.55, Mt Carmel – 1.85, RBHS – 1.89, MMHS – 1.96, UCHS – 2.61. How is it possible that RBHS have more AP classes, but its students take fewer tests?
[quote]You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. [/quote]
And those are both factors in university admissions. No university is going to treat GPA 3.5 from TPHS equally to GPA 4.0 from MMHS just because TPHS is “stronger”. A valedictorian from MMHS will get admitted to UCSD no questions asked, and an equally able student in TPHS will have to jump through hoops (possibly ending up in SDSU or a community college).
June 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM #414327Participant[quote=AN]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.[/quote]If your kid does not clear all the requirements (written and unwritten), that severely limits his chances of getting into a good university.
Also, if we know that MMHS students are, on average, stupider and less motivated than RBHS students, but they end up taking more advanced classes per capita, that means that requirements in RBHS are stricter.
[quote]I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.[/quote]
That does not agree with facts. Numbers of AP exams taken per senior last year: Poway High – 1.55, Mt Carmel – 1.85, RBHS – 1.89, MMHS – 1.96, UCHS – 2.61. How is it possible that RBHS have more AP classes, but its students take fewer tests?
[quote]You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. [/quote]
And those are both factors in university admissions. No university is going to treat GPA 3.5 from TPHS equally to GPA 4.0 from MMHS just because TPHS is “stronger”. A valedictorian from MMHS will get admitted to UCSD no questions asked, and an equally able student in TPHS will have to jump through hoops (possibly ending up in SDSU or a community college).
June 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM #414581Participant[quote=AN]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.[/quote]If your kid does not clear all the requirements (written and unwritten), that severely limits his chances of getting into a good university.
Also, if we know that MMHS students are, on average, stupider and less motivated than RBHS students, but they end up taking more advanced classes per capita, that means that requirements in RBHS are stricter.
[quote]I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.[/quote]
That does not agree with facts. Numbers of AP exams taken per senior last year: Poway High – 1.55, Mt Carmel – 1.85, RBHS – 1.89, MMHS – 1.96, UCHS – 2.61. How is it possible that RBHS have more AP classes, but its students take fewer tests?
[quote]You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. [/quote]
And those are both factors in university admissions. No university is going to treat GPA 3.5 from TPHS equally to GPA 4.0 from MMHS just because TPHS is “stronger”. A valedictorian from MMHS will get admitted to UCSD no questions asked, and an equally able student in TPHS will have to jump through hoops (possibly ending up in SDSU or a community college).
June 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM #414649Participant[quote=AN]
I don’t see a problem with having a requirement. If your kid clear all the requirement, it’s not like they refuse to let you in. It’s just like needing 3 years of foreign language to apply to a UC school.[/quote]If your kid does not clear all the requirements (written and unwritten), that severely limits his chances of getting into a good university.
Also, if we know that MMHS students are, on average, stupider and less motivated than RBHS students, but they end up taking more advanced classes per capita, that means that requirements in RBHS are stricter.
[quote]I know schools like RBHS and Mt. Carmel have multiple AP class of the same subject while MMHS only have 1, and in certain cases, cancel some due to low interest. MMHS is also one of the better schools in SDUSD too. This example only gets worse if you compare with schools down south.[/quote]
That does not agree with facts. Numbers of AP exams taken per senior last year: Poway High – 1.55, Mt Carmel – 1.85, RBHS – 1.89, MMHS – 1.96, UCHS – 2.61. How is it possible that RBHS have more AP classes, but its students take fewer tests?
[quote]You’ll definitely have a higher class rank and weighted GPA when your class is not as competitive. [/quote]
And those are both factors in university admissions. No university is going to treat GPA 3.5 from TPHS equally to GPA 4.0 from MMHS just because TPHS is “stronger”. A valedictorian from MMHS will get admitted to UCSD no questions asked, and an equally able student in TPHS will have to jump through hoops (possibly ending up in SDSU or a community college).
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