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January 12, 2019 at 1:08 PM #811584January 13, 2019 at 7:15 PM #811582phasterParticipant
[quote=spdrun]Yeah. We have a fuckin’ moral crisis, but it’s not the PEOPLE being immoral. It’s a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments…[/quote]
we are where we are because of past political leadership decisions which were made by “career politicians” w/ far too little mental “numbers” horsepower and only having a “balls and honesty factor” of 0.01%,… how else to explain why BIG PROBLEMS came about AND remain to be addressed?
http://www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning
for example local politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who actively sought the position to represent the downtown area where there is a large “homeless” problem),… as various local news reports indicate they are not addressing (i.e. in denial) of various big issues (which should be job#1 for anyone who who actively sought the position leadership role) so the end result is, their council district has been lead up a creek w/ out a paddle!
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019/jan/09/letters-san-diego-homeless-do-not-live-very-lon/
what’s the answer? perhaps more numbers type guys/gals (i.e. someone w/ at least a CPA background) in politics to actually help the “homeless”
one last thought,… since california mandated more women on the boards
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California Mandates More Women On Corporate BoardsLegislators in California passed a bill recently that would require publicly-traded companies headquartered in the state to place at least one woman on their board by the end of 2019.
perhaps there should be a proposition that requires that politicians take and pass a basic math and economics course before being sworn into office
January 13, 2019 at 7:17 PM #811603phasterParticipant[quote=www.hollywoodreporter.com]
LA’s Battle for Venice Beach: Homeless Surge Puts Hollywood’s Progressive Ideals to the Test…Los Angeles is grappling with a homeless epidemic. “It’s the worst human catastrophe in America,” says Andy Bales, a pastor who runs the Union Rescue Mission on Skid Row. Faced with a growing crisis, city leaders last year budgeted more than $100 million for affordable housing, addiction treatment, job placement and mental health services. And yet, as L.A.’s real estate prices soar, so does the city’s homeless population.
…”There are actually [residents] advocating driving the homeless out of Venice — shipping them off somewhere, which is such a proto-fascist move,”
…Disagreements over the potential causes of the crimes have begun to factionalize Venice’s neighborhoods.
…The most common refrain heard when discussing the cause of L.A.’s homeless crisis is soaring housing costs. But there are other forces at play in Venice and throughout the city involving various laws and ballot measures that date back more than a decade. A 2006 ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Jones v. City of Los Angeles required that law enforcement and city officials no longer enforce the ban on sleeping on sidewalks anywhere in the city until a sufficient amount of permanent supportive housing could be built. Further complicating matters were two state ballot measures that voters overwhelmingly approved in 2016 — Propositions 47 and 57 — which decriminalized certain felonies to misdemeanors in an effort to address the state’s overburdened prison system.
After multiple tire slashings, one resident built a homemade deterrent system
Others have put up unpermitted planters to eat up sidewalk space
now the real life “hollywood” trailer,… homeless zombies coming to neighborhood near you?
January 13, 2019 at 7:28 PM #811604FlyerInHiGuestWe need CalExit to keep the druggies from migrating from other states. We should be able to deport them back home to their parents. Let’s only take care of the people born in California or those who have a minimum of 5 years residency.
January 20, 2019 at 8:24 AM #811656phasterParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]We need CalExit to keep the druggies from migrating from other states. We should be able to deport them back home to their parents. Let’s only take care of the people born in California or those who have a minimum of 5 years residency.[/quote]
hummmm,….
according to the 2018 survey/study of homeless people, 74% became homeless in San Diego
(See p.24 of a PDF which did a survey on local “homeless”)
http://www.rtfhsd.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2018-Point-in-Time-Count-Results-Powerpoint.pdf
this implies a great majority of the problems are local in nature?
in other words seems problems like substance addiction and the cumulative cockup of various political leadership decision(s) are local,… so a “CalExit” as you suggested does nothing to address to root cause of various problems which is,… human nature that is all too often corrupt and not all that smart
[quote=phaster][quote=spdrun]Yeah. We have a fuckin’ moral crisis, but it’s not the PEOPLE being immoral. It’s a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments…[/quote]
we are where we are because of past political leadership decisions which were made by “career politicians” w/ far too little mental “numbers” horsepower and only having a “balls and honesty factor” of 0.01%,… how else to explain why BIG PROBLEMS came about AND remain to be addressed?
http://www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning
for example local politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who actively sought the position to represent the downtown area where there is a large “homeless” problem),… as various local news reports indicate they are not addressing (i.e. in denial) of various big issues (which should be job#1 for anyone who who actively sought the position leadership role) so the end result is, their council district has been lead up a creek w/ out a paddle!
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019/jan/09/letters-san-diego-homeless-do-not-live-very-lon/
what’s the answer? perhaps more numbers type guys/gals (i.e. someone w/ at least a CPA background) in politics to actually help the “homeless”
one last thought,… since california mandated more women on the boards
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California Mandates More Women On Corporate Boards
Legislators in California passed a bill recently that would require publicly-traded companies headquartered in the state to place at least one woman on their board by the end of 2019.
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perhaps there should be a proposition that requires that politicians take and pass a basic math and economics course before being sworn into office[/quote]
FYI here is something thats relevant to the issue (a news reporter based in LA that looks at the problem of substance addiction)
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The Roots of the Opioid Epidemic: A Conversation With Sam Quinoneshttps://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/10/15/podcast-sam-quinones
[/quote]January 20, 2019 at 11:01 AM #811657FlyerInHiGuestThe big cities attract people from other states, people who don’t have the wherewithal to make it in a competitive urban environment. The bright lights, big city and substance abuse overwhelm them.
What exactly is the threshold for “becoming homeless in San Diego”. People will come to San Diego, rent a place, then months later become homeless. I doubt they have many years of gainful employment and contribution to the economy.
I have compassion for the homeless, but…… the places where they come from should take them back. We will take care of our own native homeless; the non-Californian homeless should be deported back to their home states.
CalExit!!!
January 20, 2019 at 12:14 PM #811658gzzParticipantFlyer, in the 70s the Supreme Court stopped California from putting a long residency requirement on its extra-generous welfare programs.
January 20, 2019 at 6:08 PM #811663FlyerInHiGuestThat’s why we need CalExit. Homeless people come to our mild California weather and generous benefits by the thousands (not really that many in the scheme of things). I don’t think Californians are moving to Kentucky to become homeless.
What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.
January 23, 2019 at 9:16 AM #811665phasterParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]
What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.[/quote][sarcasm on]
given POTUS and his talking/tweeting points of the virtues of a great big beautiful wall and your mentioning deporting the worst people,… perhaps we can combine the two ideas for a “final solution!”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/first-moments-hitlers-final-solution-180961387/
[sarcasm off]
all joking aside, what burns me is political candidates and politicians (i.e. “leadership”) that seem to be grandstanding, greedy and/or outright narcissistic 99.9% of the time
as I see things avoidable problems are caused by ass kissing politicians (who do pretty much nothing but pander to their base) along w/ government bureaucrats (i.e. public employee union leadership) who have no economic incentive to change the status quo of feeding like gluttonous pigs at the taxpayers trough
on the national level we obviously have POTUS and his selfish, idiotic stand of partly closing down government, so he can build a wall (as sort of a monument to himself) and coincidently seems trump has also managed to do a pretty good job of feeding like a gluttonous pig at the taxpayers trough (which is exactly like something an african dictator would do)
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/trevor-noah-donald-trump-dictator-214358
or like yesterday afternoon at the local coffee house at the informal weekly discussion where I pointed out to a few neighbors,… seems the root cause of the many local problem(s) (i.e. ever increasing public pension debt, ever increasing “homeless” etc.) is because intellectually challenged career politicians just keep on running for different political offices and are not addressing the various difficult issues in the political offices they leave behind so government bureaucrats it seems then have nothing stopping them from running amuck
since I mentioned trump and the idea of the wall being a sort of a monument to himself,… one talent/trait, all intellectually challenged career politicians seem to have is, posting slick self promotional youtube champaign videos that somehow don’t ever mention the inconvenient truth of their actual actions in office,… for example the local ass kissing, intellectually challenged career politician (of the district) is now setting sights on the mayor’s office
what’s needed to counter this “fake leadership candidate” from causing even more damage to the system is “real honest news” that pulls no punches
http://www.TinyURL.com/ToddGloria
god help us if this idiot manages to continue to convince political partisans he has any real leadership skills to solve big and vary real problems in this city that need to be addressed
http://www.TinyURL.com/13thcheck “annual 13th public pension checks”
http://www.TinyURL.com/2019SDRE “high cost of SD housing (RealEstate)”
http://www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning “climate change effects”
bottom line as I see things,… with $hit leadership increased “homeless” (which is a symptom of mismanagement) is inevitable no matter big city or small town,… red state or blue state,… etc., etc., etc.
March 28, 2019 at 7:26 AM #812205phasterParticipantgiven 2020 elections,… aside from public pension mismanagement, here is another topic the media and voters should be pressing various candidates for answers/leadership
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Taxpayers Group Can’t Find Link Between Spending, Homelessness DeclineWhile government spending on local homeless services has dramatically increased throughout the county over the last decade, the effect of that spending is difficult to quantify, according to a report released Tuesday by the San Diego Taxpayers Educational Foundation.
…Because of the poor data collection, it is difficult to determine just how much homeless spending affects local homelessness populations, according to the report, which notes that countywide spending on homelessness services increased by more than 2,000 percent between 2009 and 2018.
Taxpayers Group Can’t Find Link Between Spending, Homelessness Decline
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San Diego Has Fourth-Highest Homeless Population In The USSan Diego County had the fourth-most homeless residents in the U.S. this year, according to a report released Monday by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/2018/dec/17/san-diego-has-fourth-highest-homeless-population/
[/quote]FYI like mismanaged public pensions, the problem of homelessness isn’t just a big local problem
Seattle is Dying
Seattle Is Dying: Hundreds Of Homeless Dead Due To Failed Public Health Policy
https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/03/19/seattle-dying-hundreds-homeless-dead-due-failed-public-health-policy-13896This week: Is Seattle really dying?
https://www.kuow.org/stories/this-week-is-seattle-dyingApril 4, 2019 at 12:35 AM #812228temeculaguyParticipantJust some data:
Interesting in depth article from orange county on how the homeless are being imported by for profit drug treatment centers in so cal.
Are drug rehab centers fueling homelessness in Southern California?
Then there was some references in this thread to somehow tail light tickets and run down house violations are leading to homelessness.
Perhaps, but it’s not your city or county causing this, it’s the state.
https://www.ticketsnipers.com/article/where-money-from-your-traffic-fines-go
https://newsroom.courts.ca.gov/facts/anatomy-of-a-traffic-ticket-in-california
That second article shows where a fine goes. The local jurisdiction like a city who pays the cops to enforce traffic laws barely makes it’s money back and have kept fines the same for 20+ years. It’s the state legislature that has tacked on fees tripling the fines mostly to pay for things they are responsible for. Both teams are to blame, when Pete Wilson was in office it started and I remember back then reading an article that LAPD traffic citations fell by half because they lost money on tickets since the lion share of the money went elsewhere. It’s okay to get mad, just get mad at the right people and it’s been incremental by leaders from both teams, but it’s not the city of San Diego, it’s not Todd Gloria that can fix it, ask Gavin to fix it. I’m not defending Todd, not a fan at all, just pointing out that the fault may lie elsewhere. Plus Todd is a progressive, it’s against his ideology to act against the homeless so that’s the wrong tree to bark up. Not sure there is a tree to bark up these days. Funny thing is, Brin actually mentioned something about a 5 year residency test for services, that’s an idea that is worth looking into and since he is as progressive as they come perhaps Todd will go for that. That may very well be the solution if the OC article is not just anecdotal, which I cannot prove or disprove just from an article.
Final article but to give some data to the assertion that cities attract the poor, California is just a little more attractive. Sorry it’s an old article but I’m sleepy so I went with the first one and I doubt the UT would run an article like this today since that paper has downsized so much it’s all regurgitation nowadays.
disclaimer: the opinion of the author in no way indicates an opposition to the points expressed by other posters, just adding some reference material to previous assertions. Consider it added flavor and not an alternative entree.
April 4, 2019 at 12:42 AM #812229temeculaguyParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]That’s why we need CalExit. Homeless people come to our mild California weather and generous benefits by the thousands (not really that many in the scheme of things). I don’t think Californians are moving to Kentucky to become homeless.
What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.[/quote]
But if you said this same thing about other countries rather than other states you’d have to hate yourself?
I like the new brian!
Sorry guys, I know I said at lunch today I was going to ignore these types of things and stay with real estate, my bad.
April 13, 2019 at 11:19 AM #812281phasterParticipant[quote=temeculaguy]Just some data:
Interesting in depth article from orange county on how the homeless are being imported by for profit drug treatment centers in so cal.
Are drug rehab centers fueling homelessness in Southern California?
Then there was some references in this thread to somehow tail light tickets and run down house violations are leading to homelessness.
Perhaps, but it’s not your city or county causing this, it’s the state.
https://www.ticketsnipers.com/article/where-money-from-your-traffic-fines-go
https://newsroom.courts.ca.gov/facts/anatomy-of-a-traffic-ticket-in-california
That second article shows where a fine goes. The local jurisdiction like a city who pays the cops to enforce traffic laws barely makes it’s money back and have kept fines the same for 20+ years. It’s the state legislature that has tacked on fees tripling the fines mostly to pay for things they are responsible for. Both teams are to blame, when Pete Wilson was in office it started and I remember back then reading an article that LAPD traffic citations fell by half because they lost money on tickets since the lion share of the money went elsewhere. It’s okay to get mad, just get mad at the right people and it’s been incremental by leaders from both teams, but it’s not the city of San Diego, it’s not Todd Gloria that can fix it, ask Gavin to fix it. I’m not defending Todd, not a fan at all, just pointing out that the fault may lie elsewhere. Plus Todd is a progressive, it’s against his ideology to act against the homeless so that’s the wrong tree to bark up. Not sure there is a tree to bark up these days. Funny thing is, Brin actually mentioned something about a 5 year residency test for services, that’s an idea that is worth looking into and since he is as progressive as they come perhaps Todd will go for that. That may very well be the solution if the OC article is not just anecdotal, which I cannot prove or disprove just from an article.
Final article but to give some data to the assertion that cities attract the poor, California is just a little more attractive. Sorry it’s an old article but I’m sleepy so I went with the first one and I doubt the UT would run an article like this today since that paper has downsized so much it’s all regurgitation nowadays.
disclaimer: the opinion of the author in no way indicates an opposition to the points expressed by other posters, just adding some reference material to previous assertions. Consider it added flavor and not an alternative entree.[/quote]
I’ve never been a trump fan,… but WRT MSM have to agree w/ POTUS in that it is mostly all regurgitation nowadays and very little critical analysis,… #sad
as I see things,…. one has to realize prices for RE, equities, bonds, etc., are all somewhat interrelated, furthermore there is a positive price bias,… and we know this because of the expression that “the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”
I mention this because the other day driving on my way to sign off on my 2018 tax returns, listened to a news segment about U.S. adults who averaged an “F” WRT financial literacy
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Should High Schools Teach Financial Literacy?Only 17 states require a financial literacy course in high school. Perhaps that explains why U.S. adults averaged an “F” on a recent survey about financial literacy from the business school at George Washington University.
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/04/08/high-schools-teach-financial-literacy
[/quote]given politicians like Gavin or Todd Gloria are elected from the general population,… its pretty certain the no talent ass clowns (i.e. political leadership) would also average an “F” on a survey about financial literacy!
last week noticed an editorial cartoon about immigration both into and out of California and on the next page an opinion letter about the homeless from an individual from vets for peace,… just happens one of the characters that hangs out at the local coffee shop is a retired USAF F4 driver who happens to have economics background (and is a member for the vets for peace), so we often talk about various subjects like economics, the homeless, etc.
anyway looking at the problem as an aircraft crash investigation seems the no talent ass clowns (i.e. political leadership) are dishonest and dumb WRT managing the economy,… and we know this because of “error chain” analysis which is a method used in the aviation sector to help uncover the root cause of a crash,… bottom line seems to be until the root cause is addressed head on pretty certain we are headed for a major local financial crash and ever increasing number of homeless,… simply because those at the controls are not doing their jobs,… so this causes migration into california from economic refuges trying to escape $hit management in latin american countries, as well as migration out of california from economic refuges trying to escape $hit management by no talent ass clowns like Gavin or Todd Gloria
Editorial Cartoon about migration and Vets For Peace “opinion”
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B66GMOho0KtxUkJuanpJeDFwRHlySksyQTZqcjFRUEsyUnRB/viewFYI there was a news report a few years ago about a local san diego/golden hill “safe parking” program geared toward preventing people becoming homeless and sleeping on the streets,… what I thought was noteworthy was the program included financial counseling
Middle-class Americans forced to live in cars
also FWIW what you might find interesting is an outreach program that sheds light on a little known aspect and musical talent of some of the local homeless
http://www.voicesofourcity.org/documentary
anyhow,… as for the NPR segment I listened to that asked asked the question,… Should High Schools Teach Financial Literacy?… and also mentioned April is financial literacy month,… sadly have to conclude because politicians as well as reporters are unable to think critically about middle school math as it relates to managing a public pension portfolio,… eventually the markets are no longer going to be able to ignore $hit political management by no talent ass clowns (at all levels of government) so remaining irrational will have to eventually give way to the harsh reality that BIG debt obligations were caused by ignoring middle school math concepts (which in turn pushes those unable to cope w/ ever increasing costs to migrate or become homeless)
http://www.TinyURL.com/13thcheck
FYI
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Mayoral candidates are off to the racesThe candidate: Todd Gloria
…He served as the chair of the city’s Budget and Finance Committee, Council President and as interim mayor after the resignation of Bob Filner.
…Cons? Critics have often pointed out that Gloria didn’t do enough with his time on the city council to address the issue of homelessness back at a time when it could have conceivably been much more manageable.
http://sdcitybeat.com/news-and-opinion/news/mayoral-candidates-are-off-to-the-races/
[/quote]so as I see things there there are lots of unanswered questions the press should be asking about the 13th pension check, the growing homeless problem, etc!
April 13, 2019 at 11:42 AM #812283FlyerInHiGuest[quote=temeculaguy][quote=FlyerInHi]That’s why we need CalExit. Homeless people come to our mild California weather and generous benefits by the thousands (not really that many in the scheme of things). I don’t think Californians are moving to Kentucky to become homeless.
What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.[/quote]
But if you said this same thing about other countries rather than other states you’d have to hate yourself?
I like the new brian!
Sorry guys, I know I said at lunch today I was going to ignore these types of things and stay with real estate, my bad.[/quote]
No hate needed. The people who say things about others should rightly have the same thing thrown back at them in time.
I welcome immigrants from other countries. In fact, I’m sponsoring refugees. But I don’t welcome drunkards and drug addicts from other states who come to California to beg for money. We should bus them back home. I think it was done before but the courts put a stop to it.
April 21, 2019 at 1:48 AM #812331temeculaguyParticipant“Seattle is dying” is from a local ABC news affiliate so it’s not a fox news production and at the end of the hour things seem clear, evidence based solutions are needed. I’ll be the first to admit documentaries can be biased, not sure if this one is but instead of just showing a problem, they show a solution. Complaining is not a strategy, show me proof that an alternative can work, now that is a strategy. It’s not a partisan problem, SD should go with what works. The Seattle model doesn’t work but maybe Rhode Island has something that can be replicated. Rhode island is a Blue State for those keeping score, perhaps that will make this an easier pill to swallow since this is a liberal vs liberal argument being made and the Rhode island liberals seem to have the better answer. I don’t care who comes up with the the answer as long as it works. My apologies if it takes an hour of your life but it’s worthwhile to watch it to the end.
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