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October 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM #19235October 26, 2011 at 2:54 PM #731357
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[quote=markmax33]Wouldn’t you rather let your local or state government determine how to deal with the horned frog of the southwest that is only in San Diego county?[/quote]
Recently, my son and I saw a Bald Eagle in the San Jacinto mountains. It was the first time I had seen this beautiful and proud creature in southern California.
The Bald Eagle was almost extinct until just a few years ago. Because of federal environmental protection laws, populations of the bird have recovered.
Individual eagles have a wide territory. They have no concept of state boundaries.
So now Ron Paul wants to remove protection for Bald Eagles. The states will take no action to protect them, as they are the national bird and not a state bird.
Ron Paul as president will destroy the Bald Eagle.
Why does Ron Paul want to kill our national symbol?
Why does Ron Paul hate America?
October 26, 2011 at 3:03 PM #731358jeeman
ParticipantBald Eagles are best with A-1 sauce.
October 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM #731360scaredyclassic
ParticipantWhy is he so old?
October 26, 2011 at 4:53 PM #731362markmax33
Guest[quote=pri_dk]From the other thread:
[quote=markmax33]Wouldn’t you rather let your local or state government determine how to deal with the horned frog of the southwest that is only in San Diego county?[/quote]
Recently, my son and I saw a Bald Eagle in the San Jacinto mountains. It was the first time I had seen this beautiful and proud creature in southern California.
The Bald Eagle was almost extinct until just a few years ago. Because of federal environmental protection laws, populations of the bird have recovered.
Individual eagles have a wide territory. They have no concept of state boundaries.
So now Ron Paul wants to remove protection for Bald Eagles. The states will take no action to protect them, as they are the national bird and not a state bird.
Ron Paul as president will destroy the Bald Eagle.
Why does Ron Paul want to kill our national symbol?
Why does Ron Paul hate America?[/quote]
You make the assumption that individual state and local regulators cannot work together to create a solution and that for some odd reason people in Washington DC need to do it. How do you come to that conclusion? That seems VERY incorrect to me knowing the local state regulators in the southwestern 10 states.
In almost EVERY industry, trade group, hobby group in America has a private group of individuals come together to discuss and influence variety of topics. They often pool their resources and lobby the local regulators in multiple states and I can offer thousands of examples of this and they are quite successful with the right support.
Would you rather be taxed at 0% as a federal income tax rate and join a society to protect and rebuild the Bald Eagle population with the 35% of tax money that you save if that is important to you and your friends? We had 0% federal income tax in 1913, so this isn’t a far-fetched idea by any means.
What if we keep supporting non-constitutional policies of the GOV that goes beyond what the constitution allows and that GOV supported the near extinction of the (this is hypothetical but real example) of the Omega Crow that was known to hunt bald eagles and kill them. Everyone in America hates the Omega Eagle. The EPA would then save the Omega Crow and the Bald Eagle only to see them both kill each other in the wild at the expense of millions of dollars.
The current EPA protects ALL species, important or non-important and they bog down all sorts of industries doing so. Many of these species would have been extinct without any help from mankind. In California we have to shut down multi-million dollar projects because of ferry shrimp. These shrimp are the bottom of the food chain, nobody cares about them but the EPA regulation wastes millions if not billions of dollars on them per year. For every $1 of tax money you send to the EPA, probably less than 1/100 of one cent goes towards anything bald eagle related. We now have a national environmental regulator, a California regulator, and all sorts of coast regulators. How many layers of GOV do you wish to pay for?
The main issue here is liberty. For every one thing that you can point out that you would like to see the GOV regulate, I could point towards 100 things that the same money goes towards for things that you hate. Once you give the GOV power to start taking liberty and your tax money and allocate in places that your neighbor doesn’t care about, your neighbor will start getting money allocated in places you don’t care about and see as waste.
We are now $14.8 Trillion in debt and bring in about $2.5 Trillion per year. Hyper-inflation has happened EVERY TIME there was a fiat currency in history. There are literally 1000s of cases of fiat currencies created and destroyed. Our dollar has been very lucky so far. If the dollar fails there will be NO MONEY FOR THE BALD EAGLE. Ron Paul is the only Presidential candidate that is pushing to audit and get rid of the Federal Reserve, therefore he is the only President that would save the Bald Eagle. You must vote for him if you love the bald eagle.October 26, 2011 at 5:00 PM #731363Guest[quote=walterwhite]Why is he so old?[/quote]
Ron Paul is probably the fittest of the candidates and challenged all the presidential contenders to join him on his 20 mile bike ride in the middle of the summer in Houston with 110 degree temps and 100% humidity. He is the world’s most interesting man in real life and can defeat Chuck Norris while delivering twin babies and drinking a Dos Equis.October 26, 2011 at 5:00 PM #731364curiousmind
Participant[quote=pri_dk]The Bald Eagle was almost extinct until just a few years ago. Because of federal environmental protection laws, populations of the bird have recovered.[/quote]
Sources please.
October 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM #731365The-Shoveler
ParticipantFlat currency I always heard Ron Paul was for a flat currency, (forgive me if I am wrong about that),
It’s just I don’t want to repay China with Gold (or anyone else for that matter),
We are a little like Greece you know.
we will be needing to inflate our way out of this mess fairly soon. (mostly it’s the fixed income with no debt crowd that likes this flat currency Idea).
Really we don’t need anything from China or the middle east for that matter so I don’t worry about them not taking our money.
October 26, 2011 at 7:07 PM #731373
svelteParticipant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]
Really we don’t need anything from China or the middle east for that matter so I don’t worry about them not taking our money.[/quote]I thought we needed their neodymium, yttrium, and dysprosium?
October 26, 2011 at 7:07 PM #731374svelteParticipant[quote=jeeman]Bald Eagles are best with A-1 sauce.[/quote]
I bet you’re pretty tasty that way yourself. Yumm! On my barby with you…
October 27, 2011 at 6:02 AM #731386Participant[quote=svelte][quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]
Really we don’t need anything from China or the middle east for that matter so I don’t worry about them not taking our money.[/quote]I thought we needed their neodymium, yttrium, and dysprosium?[/quote]
They have found very large deposits just off the coast of Hawaii and we used to and can again mine our own just like china as well
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101117184451.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/04/us-rareearth-japan-idUSTRE76300320110704
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/04/rareearth-japan-idUSL3E7I406M20110704
October 27, 2011 at 8:43 AM #731393ParticipantCurrently, the Salton Sea in California contains enough geothermal energy locked in salt-brine to meet the entire electrical needs of the United States 20 times
Salton Sea Geothermal Field, California
The Salton Buttes lie within the Salton Sea geothermal field, where temperatures at 1.5 to 2.5 kilometers reach 360 degrees C, and sediments of the Colorado River delta are begin metamorphosed to greenschist facies. — Excerpt from: Wood and Kienle, 1990, Volcanoes of North America: United States and Canada: Cambridge University Press, 354p., p.245, Contribution by: L. J. Patrick Muffler
The Salton Sea geothermal field lies in the Salton Trough, the landward extension of the Gulf of California, an area of active crustal spreading. The Salton Buttes volcanoes lie within the Salton Sea geothermal field where temperatures measured in wells drilled for geothermal brines range up to 360 degrees C at depths of 1,500 to 2,500 meters (Helgeson, 1968). The wells produce a hot brine containing up to 160,000 ppm of dissolved solids, chiefly Cl, Na, K, Ca, and Fe (White, 1968). Under the influence of this hot saline brine, the sediments of the Salton Trough are being transformed into metamorphic rocks of the greenschist facies (Muffler and White, 1969). — Excerpt from: Robinson, Elders, and Muffler, 1976, Quaternary volcanism in the Salton Sea geothermal field, Imperial Valley, California: GSA Bulletin 87, p.347-360, March 1976October 27, 2011 at 12:57 PM #731415Guest[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]Flat currency I always heard Ron Paul was for a flat currency, (forgive me if I am wrong about that),
It’s just I don’t want to repay China with Gold (or anyone else for that matter),
We are a little like Greece you know.
we will be needing to inflate our way out of this mess fairly soon. (mostly it’s the fixed income with no debt crowd that likes this flat currency Idea).
Really we don’t need anything from China or the middle east for that matter so I don’t worry about them not taking our money.[/quote]
There are few things to clarify. A fiat currency (with an I not an L) is a currency that is not linked to a hard commodity such as gold or silver. The fiat currency is merely a piece of paper that the bankers at the federal reserve can print at will. The federal reserve printed and handed out 15 Trillion dollars in loans last year which is about 7 times the amount of money the US government collects in taxes in one year. To me this means the federal reserve has atleast 7 times the power of the US federal government and nobody even realizes it. EVERY SINGLE FIAT CURRENCY HAS FAILED IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. We can not allow these bankers to control us and our money or we will see hyperinflation like EVERY OTHER FIAT CURRENCY has experienced. You will wake up one day and a loaf of bread will go from $2 on Monday and on Friday it will be $10. It has happened every time. We delinked the currency from gold in 1971 under Richard Nixon. $35 used to be worth an ounce of gold. Our founding fathers warned us about this because the English currency failed and the colonies revolted. They knew better and banned it but it was snuck congress and passed in 1913.
A flat tax is a tax that everyone has to pay and is neither progressive or regressive. It implies everyone, poor or rich pays the same amount of money on every dollar they earn.
It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to inflate your way out of a bubble. It creates hyperinflation and then the currency fails. It is better to have a system without a central bank that inflates bubbles, remember without the central bank to inflate the housing bubble through artificially low interest rates and Fannie mae and Freddie Mac this could have never happened. The free market always corrects itself like a stretched spring. The further you inflate the bubble and stretch the spring out, the harder it snaps back in the other direction. It is better to let the whole housing market fail and get the GOV out of the housing business and then let the market build back from a healthy point. If your school teachers and fireman can’t buy a house comfortably without a crazy loan, you have a housing bubble.October 27, 2011 at 2:15 PM #731420Guest[quote=markmax33]EVERY SINGLE FIAT CURRENCY HAS FAILED IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD[/quote]
EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT HAVEN’T.
SUCH AS EVERY CURRENCY IN THE WORLD TODAY.
Ron Paul even wants to kill the Bald Eagles on dollar bills.
The man is ruthless.
October 27, 2011 at 2:16 PM #731422ParticipantPretty much everything works till it doesn’t. Hasn’t ever metals based currency also failed? I mean, the ones that failed.
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