RIP Steve Jobs

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[quote=svelte]Are we talking about the Steve Jobs who got his high school girlfriend pregnant and then denied this beautiful child was his, claiming in court documents that he was sterile? And not taking responsibility until testing had advanced and the court ordered him tested?

Is this the man that is being lionized?[/quote]

Mistakes of youth…

But it was pretty bad… I think he was more concerned with losing his fortune then anything.

I am luke warm on the whole subject.

CE

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Zeitgeist]My mother always told me to keep my words sweet in case I had to eat them. I have not always done that. Brian, remember what you said when you are dying. It is easy to embrace change when you are young and full of life. The older you get, the more difficult it becomes to embrace change including death. I think it all depends on what you think is on the other side.

As for the weird smell of the food, for someone as ? (I do not know what to call you), I think you are alienated and looking for some group to throw in with, but you might think you are liberal, I would say the temple’s food does not smell like Western food and I would think you would embrace anything that was not from this country. I am guessing their food had different spices in it than your Western noise is used to. Just my guess, your mileage may vary.[/quote]

Yeah and you talk about the Obama “thought police” and how he is like Hitler.

All the while using a Nietzsche-ism as a handle.

You will excuse us if we chuckle derisively at your non-self-aware irony.

I somehow doubt you have a lot to teach us young liberals.

[Zeitgeist]

Like I said, Urban. Your mileage may vary. I hope you are sleeping better now.

[Aecetia]

“It didn’t matter to me that Steve Jobs was a liberal. It disappointed me for his sake, but that is not who he was to me. Steve Jobs epitomized American exceptionalism. His life epitomized it. His philosophies epitomized American exceptionalism. The fact that he was a liberal, to me, was one of the greatest contradictions. But that is of no matter and no concern now. This past Tuesday they introduced the iPhone 4S, and I told you that on Monday I felt like it was Christmas Eve — and it was for me — and at age 60 I was able to feel like I did as a kid on Christmas Eve when I was eight or nine. There hasn’t been, in the last ten years, an Apple product that has not created wonderment in me, that has not exceeded my expectations. Using Apple products is genuine fun for me; and at the same time, they have increased my productivity. I know I’m making this sound like it’s a lot about me but it’s the best way to explain all this to you. What Jobs did literally changed the way human beings receive-transmit-enjoy all media. One guy did this. He had a lot of great people around him, but one guy did it. One guy’s vision. To me, it’s mind-boggling.I’m sad that he’s dead.”

Steve Jobs: American Exceptionalism

Me too. I think eventually he took care of his daughter because she is a Harvard grad. Not saying what he did was not reprehensible. I guess it is the same as the people who love Clinton or Kennedy; those people intellectually set aside their dalliances and look at the good they did. I am not expecting you to do that svelte and I respect your post about his cowardice when it came to his illegitimate child, just adding some information to complete the picture of a flawed person who did contribute to our world.

[sdduuuude]

Really? We are making this a liberal conservative battle?

How fucking rude can you possibly get, people. I swear, I could die tomorrow and CDMA Eng would probalby make a little post about me dying and you dumb-fucks would start arguing about whether or not liberals are better and how dumb the other guy is and how you say things about this guy but you do the samething and Obama is great. Yada Yada Yada.

Get it fucking straight. This site isn’t a place for you fuckers to bitch at each other about the liberal and conservaative philosophy. I realize it is off-topic, but somehow death brings out the worst in some of you guys. Get your own fucking blog if you want to.

And haven’t you heard it is impolite to speak ill of the dead? I am not that much of a Steve Jobs fan, but he’s interesting and you know what – he’s dead so show some respect. I’ve lost alot of it for several of you.

[svelte]

[quote=sdduuuude]
And haven’t you heard it is impolite to speak ill of the dead? I am not that much of a Steve Jobs fan, but he’s interesting and you know what – he’s dead so show some respect. I’ve lost alot of it for several of you.[/quote]

A dead jerk is still a jerk.

Sorry, I can’t sit idly by while people worship a man who showed the worst trait possible. I can forgive a lot of things, but walking out on a child – and thereby having her and her mother live on welfare while he raked in the bucks – is not something I’m willing to forgive.

You can go back six generations in my family and the males have all become fathers by 21. I’m one of them. But we all did the right thing and did not turn our back on our responsibilities.

If you fire the gun, you’re responsible for where the bullet goes. To do otherwise makes you a jerk unworthy of worship.

[sdduuuude]

You aren’t wrong that this is contemptible behavior, but day someone dies is not the day to speak up. If you don’t like the guy, just shut-up. Just because you have a thought doesn’t mean we all want to hear it.

OK. We get it. You don’t like guys being mean to their kids. What a novel and unexpected opinion. Most of us don’t either. Stating that opinion at this time doesn’t accomplish anything except make you look like an insensitive ass.

[svelte]

[quote=sdduuuude]You aren’t wrong that this is contemptible behavior, but day someone dies is not the day to speak up. If you don’t like the guy, just shut-up. Just because you have a thought doesn’t mean we all want to hear it.

OK. We get it. You don’t like guys being mean to their kids. What a novel and unexpected opinion. Most of us don’t either. Stating that opinion at this time doesn’t accomplish anything except make you look like an insensitive ass.[/quote]
You are entitled to your opinion. You think only the good can be remembered about someone who dies, okay we all get it. I think that’s total bs, but that is just my opinion.

If people want to hold up someone who found a good way to market moving data around as a hero, that’s their right. But I am going to make sure they know what the man was truly like.

[briansd1]

I’m glad that svelte brought up the issue of Jobs’ illegitimate daughter. I don’t follow personalities and I didn’t even know.

[Zeitgeist]

Job’s daughter and how he claimed to be sterile to avoid his responsibility is part of his story. Probably not something you would put into his eulogy, but certainly part of his life story. Like all of us, he was complicated. I can certainly appreciate svelte’s feelings about what he did. It was definitely not his proudest moment. I had not really paid that much attention to him until I read the various postings about his life and what he meant to so many people because of his products.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=svelte]You think only the good can be remembered about someone who dies, okay we all get it.[/quote]

No, you don’t get it.

I think that only good should be STATED.
You can remember whatever the hell you want, but be aware that “RIP” means Rest in Peace. Spouting off negativity is exactly what Rest in Peace doesn’t mean.

Start your own thread if you must to point out all the misgivings of people who die, but but you can’t weasel your way out of the fact that decent people keep those kind of comments to themselves.

[ocrenter]

one interesting find I came across is Jobs is the son of a Syrian foreign exchange student. Much like Obama.

in the 60’s and 70’s, the cream of the crop of many 3rd world countries were selected to come to this country to study at our top universities. with the understanding that they can then go back to make their perspective countries better.

while the perspective countries didn’t end up benefiting much from their investment. rather it seems we as a country really benefitted from this grand experiment in genetic selection.

makes you wonder just how many leaders of industries and professionals in the country today are the offspring of this genetic selection process.

[Veritas]

And his mother’s genes were half the equation.

[scaredyclassic]

Everything in this country went downhill when vinyl records went out of style.

I think it’s ok to speak ill of the dea. Whfn it’s a public figure.

But not, like, me.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=walterwhite]I think it’s ok to speak ill of the dea. Whfn it’s a public figure.[/quote]

But their family and friends aren’t necessarily public figures, nor do we know if they have committed any imropriety deserving of disrespect. If not for the deceased, for those those close to, please.

Are the choices of posting nothing and posting something like bg’s post so awful that we have to insult people we don’t even know at a time of loss ?

Is it really an unreasonable expectation of people ?

[quote=bearishgurl]I think of Steve as a visionary, way ahead of his time…my condolences go out to his family.[/quote]

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