Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country

[Hobie]

Dude. We all read the same biased media and would never consider using bombs in a political statement.

Evil is evil and needs to be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. That might help keep these kind of people in their basements and not feel empowered to commit crimes.

[zk]

[quote=Hobie]Dude. We all read the same biased media and would never consider using bombs in a political statement.

Evil is evil and needs to be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. That might help keep these kind of people in their basements and not feel empowered to commit crimes.[/quote]

Apparently not all (would never consider using bombs).

I agree that evil is evil and needs to be dealt with swiftly. I think that most people agree with that. And when you start convincing people that a certain person or group of people is evil (as opposed to expressing your opinion that they’re merely bad for the country), then you’re going to have some of those people deal swiftly with what they see as evil. That is exactly the problem.

[FlyerInHi]

Zk, I agree with your take, a considered liberal view that there are causes and effect.

However Hobie is right. Why are those “fools” not terrorists to be dealt with swiftly? I think we should use the same language on them. Terrorists are terrorists. Simple as that. Those “fools” don’t deserve a pass.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Zk, I agree with your take, a considered liberal view that there are causes and effect.

However Hobie is right. Why are those “fools” not terrorists to be dealt with swiftly? I think we should use the same language on them. Terrorists are terrorists. Simple as that. Those “fools” don’t deserve a pass.[/quote]

Read my post again, Brian. I said I agree with Hobie on that. If you commit a crime, you should be punished swiftly and appropriately.

That isn’t the only issue, though. Do you think that Hitler would’ve been able to do what he did without propaganda? Of course not. Propaganda is dangerous. Today’s right-wing propaganda is gaining massive power and has the potential to cause even more serious problems for our country than it already has.

[FlyerInHi]

Yeah, but the American people are exceptional. It is said, they always make the right choices.

But you’re right, zk. Damage is being done. I think it is more than right wing media. The evangelical churches are retrograde. anti science and anti progress. People are being braiwashed by their churches, then by the media.
It’s disheartening. I have a friend who is being influenced by his wacko mother and his church. People are nuts as they get older.

Hitler’s propaganda worked because good people didn’t speak up. Can you believe that Poland is going right wing? A country that suffered Nazi invasion.
Like George Soros, I fear for western liberal values.

[outtamojo]

[quote=zk][quote=Hobie]Dude. We all read the same biased media and would never consider using bombs in a political statement.

Evil is evil and needs to be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. That might help keep these kind of people in their basements and not feel empowered to commit crimes.[/quote]

Apparently not all (would never consider using bombs).

I agree that evil is evil and needs to be dealt with swiftly. I think that most people agree with that. And when you start convincing people that a certain person or group of people is evil (as opposed to expressing your opinion that they’re merely bad for the country), then you’re going to have some of those people deal swiftly with what they see as evil. That is exactly the problem.[/quote]

When these things happen I always wonder how long it will take before the mainstream media pundits(Fox) begin to spew the false flag drivel. Not too long in this case. I assert just as baselessly that it is false false flag operation. It was a Republican posing as a Democrat that sent those bombs.

[FlyerInHi]

Francis Fukuyama, in his new book, says identity and the politics of resentment are ruining the country and the western liberal order. Well, not destroying, yet…. but not good.

Apparently, deplorables have a sense of “inner worth” that they don’t feel is respected by the “global elites”. Sounds so whack to me. You have to do something to earn respect over time. People are not “inner worth” readers.

I don’t think I can respect people who bitch about “inner worth” but won’t do anything like getting college education and marketable skills.

Fox News is all about the politics of resentment.

[FlyerInHi]

zk, how is the canvassing did Beto doing? I sent him some money. Hope he uses it well.

This is for you zk. Steve Schmidt sums it all.

Trump himself admits he brings rage out of people.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]zk, how is the canvassing did Beto doing? I sent him some money. Hope he uses it well.

This is for you zk. Steve Schmidt sums it all.

[/quote]

It’s good to hear somebody as prominent and intelligent and steely as Steve Schmidt say what I’ve been saying all this time:

Right-wing media are destroying our country.

The canvassing for Beto went pretty good. It was a get out the vote canvas, and the houses we went to were supposed to be mostly Beto supporters. But whoever was in charge of identifying Beto supporters failed miserably. More than half of the doors I knocked on were answered by Cruz supporters. It was nice to talk to the Beto supporters, though, and help them make a plan to vote.

[zk]

Steve Schmidt (on the guy who sent bombs to trump’s enemies):

“This man, a fanatic, was radicalized by fox news, by talk radio, by a right-wing propaganda machine that is as sophisticated as it has turned deadly.”

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=zk]Steve Schmidt (on the guy who sent bombs to trump’s enemies):

“This man, a fanatic, was radicalized by fox news, by talk radio, by a right-wing propaganda machine that is as sophisticated as it has turned deadly.”[/quote]

Zk, I was thinking of you when I saw rhe interview.

I agree with Steve Schmidt and I know that environment and media play a role. but I’m reluctant to give Trump voters the benefit of the doubt for they need to own the votes they cast. Trump voters should forever live in shame.

I’m excited by Beto and Stacy Abrams. My friend in the Atlanta suburb said she waited 2 1/2 hours in line for early voting today. Strong turnout. I’m rooting for them.

[FlyerInHi]

I want to pose this question ahead of Election Day. What will we do if the republicans keep all of congress and the country turns more nationalist in the Trump mold?
What if Trump is right in that fear and resentment work?

I think I will accelerate early retirement and travel more so I can commiserate with my fellow Americans who live abroad.

[zk]

This pretty much sums it up:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/11/08/sarah-sanderss-diabolically-clever-attack-on-jim-acosta/?utm_term=.09125bd58acb

“This is a lie. But no one agrees on what the truth is anymore, and that’s exactly what Sanders was counting on.”

I remember reading stories about 1930’s Germany and thinking, “how did those people fall for that propaganda?” Well, this is how it starts. You manipulate things so that a critical mass of people can’t tell the truth from fiction.

That is exactly what right-wing media are doing right now.

[zk]

What used to be right-wing nutjob stuff has been moving from the fringes to the right-wing mainstream for a while now. I think this completes it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/08/white-house-shares-doctored-video-support-punishment-journalist-jim-acosta/?utm_term=.b5f3c8a4fbaa

So many right wingers now are just chumps who don’t care about the truth. A guy I used to work with (an intelligent and (I had thought) reasonable guy) is convinced that “democrats want as many undocumented immigrants in the country as possible.” I asked him where he got that idea. I asked him for any evidence to support his claim. He had none, of course. But he wouldn’t budge an inch from his conviction.

That is just one typical example of the types of false beliefs that people who watch/read right-wing propaganda hold. So many of their views are the product of propaganda and have no basis in truth. But they don’t care.

That makes them chumps. But they don’t see that. “I’m nobody’s chump,” the guy said. Well it’s staring you in the face; I don’t know how you can’t see that you’re a chump. You have false beliefs. They’ve been pointed out to you. You have no evidence for them. These ideas can be found nowhere but in right-wing propaganda. You’re a chump. But they don’t see that they’re chumps. It doesn’t appear that they ever will.

Unfortunately, they vote based on these false beliefs. Right-wing media are destroying our country.

[FlyerInHi]

You’re are right, zk. But we enabled it too by trying to be “fair” and agreeing that it’s happening “on both sides.” I recently heard Fareed Zacharia say that in CNN.

The objective truth is the the left has moved to the right. And the right has moved to the extreme right. There is no symmetry and moving to the fringes “on both sides”. That is the real fake news.

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