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May 21, 2007 at 11:32 AM #54116May 21, 2007 at 1:19 PM #54145crParticipant
Well here’s another radical idea.
It seems our economy is somewhat dependent on illegal labor so grant them a temporary quasi-citizen status over a period of say 1-2 years, tax them at a higher rate (they’re here illegally, why should legals pay the same?) and give them that time period to integrate into society legally – insurances, driver’s SCHOOL and license, taxes, social security, all that junk.
At the end of the 1-2 year period those that aren’t fully abiding by the law are gone. If they truly want to be here legitimately, they will do what they need to do.
It will be hard on some financially, but welcome to America amigo. If they cut it, welcome home, they’ll probably make a better impact anyway. And if they don’t or refuse to try, then they should not be able to live here illegally anymore.
You do have to stop the influx, but the naturalization process should be made a little more efficient IMO.
May 21, 2007 at 1:19 PM #54158crParticipantWell here’s another radical idea.
It seems our economy is somewhat dependent on illegal labor so grant them a temporary quasi-citizen status over a period of say 1-2 years, tax them at a higher rate (they’re here illegally, why should legals pay the same?) and give them that time period to integrate into society legally – insurances, driver’s SCHOOL and license, taxes, social security, all that junk.
At the end of the 1-2 year period those that aren’t fully abiding by the law are gone. If they truly want to be here legitimately, they will do what they need to do.
It will be hard on some financially, but welcome to America amigo. If they cut it, welcome home, they’ll probably make a better impact anyway. And if they don’t or refuse to try, then they should not be able to live here illegally anymore.
You do have to stop the influx, but the naturalization process should be made a little more efficient IMO.
May 21, 2007 at 1:20 PM #54147AnonymousGuestCashflow, from an outsider looking in, it appears to me that Mexico needs a revolution, borne of its own hands and by its own people. You guys have corrupt government. You guys have concentrated wealth (http://www.sustainablemiddleclass.com/Gini-Coefficient.html), and, related, for whatever reason (inate inability or getting kicked down as they try to climb), your poor folks don’t seem to be able to climb the economic ladder.
The U.S. needs a border fence to force you Mexicans to clean up your government and economy. We have been acting as a safety valve for your corrupt government: you export your poor folks to us, so that you don’t have ‘riots for bread’ down there. That a country with oil, gold, and hard working folks is an economic basket case is a shame and a sin.
Take up your arms, Mexicans.
May 21, 2007 at 1:20 PM #54160AnonymousGuestCashflow, from an outsider looking in, it appears to me that Mexico needs a revolution, borne of its own hands and by its own people. You guys have corrupt government. You guys have concentrated wealth (http://www.sustainablemiddleclass.com/Gini-Coefficient.html), and, related, for whatever reason (inate inability or getting kicked down as they try to climb), your poor folks don’t seem to be able to climb the economic ladder.
The U.S. needs a border fence to force you Mexicans to clean up your government and economy. We have been acting as a safety valve for your corrupt government: you export your poor folks to us, so that you don’t have ‘riots for bread’ down there. That a country with oil, gold, and hard working folks is an economic basket case is a shame and a sin.
Take up your arms, Mexicans.
May 21, 2007 at 1:26 PM #54150blahblahblahParticipantTake up your arms, Mexicans.
Better make sure you finish that fence first — the last time they had a revolution down there, almost a million Mexicans fled to the US to escape the carnage.
May 21, 2007 at 1:26 PM #54162blahblahblahParticipantTake up your arms, Mexicans.
Better make sure you finish that fence first — the last time they had a revolution down there, almost a million Mexicans fled to the US to escape the carnage.
June 8, 2007 at 8:02 AM #57853AnonymousGuestFor those of you who wrote or called the Republican turncoats in the Senate, thank you. You and the other little people have saved this country from that cultural/financial suicide bill, championed by President Bush.
May President Bush learn his lesson and not push this insane idea again during his remaining time in office.
June 8, 2007 at 8:02 AM #57878AnonymousGuestFor those of you who wrote or called the Republican turncoats in the Senate, thank you. You and the other little people have saved this country from that cultural/financial suicide bill, championed by President Bush.
May President Bush learn his lesson and not push this insane idea again during his remaining time in office.
June 8, 2007 at 11:40 AM #57936NotCrankyParticipantCongratulations JG. Good thing your man is so good on all other accounts. Now you won’t have to impeach him.
June 8, 2007 at 11:40 AM #57963NotCrankyParticipantCongratulations JG. Good thing your man is so good on all other accounts. Now you won’t have to impeach him.
June 8, 2007 at 12:50 PM #57946startingoutParticipantWhere does this idea come from that by enforcing its immigration laws America would suddenly be the “bad guy”? Our laws are no more strict than any other nation’s immigration laws, and they all actually enforce them (by they I mean Ireland, Great Britain, Australia, etc). If you overstay your VISA in Australia, guess what happens- you get kicked out within weeks of overstaying, you’re on the next plane out, and told to not come back.
Is our system broken? Yes. Having gone through the immigration process (still going through, acutally) with my husband, I can say that this system is broken. However, our laws are fine, and there should be no change to them except that we should actually enforce them.
This bill that they’re trying to push through is totally unenforceable. As others on here have said, it’s merely lip service to make pro-illegal immigrationists think things are getting easier, and anti-illegal immigrationists think that things would be stricter- in reality we would just have more unnecessary and jumbled red tape that isn’t actually helping at all.
A fence won’t help either. Desperate people will go to desperate measures, no matter how high the fence. The best you can do is to actually enforce our laws. If illegals knew that they wouldn’t be able to work here, and that deportation would be imminent, it would be a lot less appealing. We’ll never have 0% illegal immigration, but even if we cut it in half it would be a significant improvement.
Above all, do not give these people amnesty! Whether or not the system is broken, a law is a law. If our government rewards these criminals (that’s right, criminals- what else do you call someone who has flaunted our laws in our face) with citizenship in return for their illegal actions, I think I will be sick to my stomach. My husband and I have spent an enormous amount of time, effort and money to do this the right way- why should they be rewarded for doing it the wrong way?
June 8, 2007 at 12:50 PM #57973startingoutParticipantWhere does this idea come from that by enforcing its immigration laws America would suddenly be the “bad guy”? Our laws are no more strict than any other nation’s immigration laws, and they all actually enforce them (by they I mean Ireland, Great Britain, Australia, etc). If you overstay your VISA in Australia, guess what happens- you get kicked out within weeks of overstaying, you’re on the next plane out, and told to not come back.
Is our system broken? Yes. Having gone through the immigration process (still going through, acutally) with my husband, I can say that this system is broken. However, our laws are fine, and there should be no change to them except that we should actually enforce them.
This bill that they’re trying to push through is totally unenforceable. As others on here have said, it’s merely lip service to make pro-illegal immigrationists think things are getting easier, and anti-illegal immigrationists think that things would be stricter- in reality we would just have more unnecessary and jumbled red tape that isn’t actually helping at all.
A fence won’t help either. Desperate people will go to desperate measures, no matter how high the fence. The best you can do is to actually enforce our laws. If illegals knew that they wouldn’t be able to work here, and that deportation would be imminent, it would be a lot less appealing. We’ll never have 0% illegal immigration, but even if we cut it in half it would be a significant improvement.
Above all, do not give these people amnesty! Whether or not the system is broken, a law is a law. If our government rewards these criminals (that’s right, criminals- what else do you call someone who has flaunted our laws in our face) with citizenship in return for their illegal actions, I think I will be sick to my stomach. My husband and I have spent an enormous amount of time, effort and money to do this the right way- why should they be rewarded for doing it the wrong way?
June 11, 2007 at 11:47 AM #58420AnonymousGuestOnce again, Ron Paul makes great sense on this topic:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst061107.htm
I hope that this wise Texan is able to fully counterbalance that wise-guy Texan.
June 11, 2007 at 11:47 AM #58447AnonymousGuestOnce again, Ron Paul makes great sense on this topic:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst061107.htm
I hope that this wise Texan is able to fully counterbalance that wise-guy Texan.
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