rebate checks only for low income?

[kev374]

Again the socialist government is taking from those of us who pay the MOST taxes and giving to those who have have not. Why can’t I get a rebate check as well? It is ridiculous!

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/24/news/economy/stimulus_package/index.htm?postversion=2008012411

Besides, I know several low income people who are living it up on credit cards and have bought big houses taking zero down, Interest only home loans. Do you think giving these irresponsible people free money is the solution to anything or even morally right?

When did economic stimulus become welfare?

[kewp]

Hey, the rich have had 8 years of welfare from the Bush administration. Especially the rate-cut bailouts that we are all paying for via inflation.

If you want to stimulate the economy the best way is from the bottom up. Poor people spend money in their local economy. Its one of the reasons they are poor, after all!

Rich people are more likely to invest it overseas or in a hedge fund, where its not going to do anyone here any good (except them).

Re: Poor people and credit cards and IO loans. Who do you think is collecting the interest from those?

[TheBreeze]

Warren Buffet says he has a lower tax rate than his secretary. How is that fair? I say tax the hell out of the rich. Why should the middle class be forced to pay for all this corporate welfare? Answer: They shouldn’t. The super-rich have benefited most in our society and they should have the highest tax rates.

[TheBreeze]

Warren Buffet says he has a lower tax rate than his secretary. How is that fair? I say tax the hell out of the rich. Why should the middle class be forced to pay for all this corporate welfare? Answer: They shouldn’t. The super-rich have benefited most in our society and they should have the highest tax rates.

[TheBreeze]

Warren Buffet says he has a lower tax rate than his secretary. How is that fair? I say tax the hell out of the rich. Why should the middle class be forced to pay for all this corporate welfare? Answer: They shouldn’t. The super-rich have benefited most in our society and they should have the highest tax rates.

[TheBreeze]

Warren Buffet says he has a lower tax rate than his secretary. How is that fair? I say tax the hell out of the rich. Why should the middle class be forced to pay for all this corporate welfare? Answer: They shouldn’t. The super-rich have benefited most in our society and they should have the highest tax rates.

[TheBreeze]

Warren Buffet says he has a lower tax rate than his secretary. How is that fair? I say tax the hell out of the rich. Why should the middle class be forced to pay for all this corporate welfare? Answer: They shouldn’t. The super-rich have benefited most in our society and they should have the highest tax rates.

[kewp]

Hey, the rich have had 8 years of welfare from the Bush administration. Especially the rate-cut bailouts that we are all paying for via inflation.

If you want to stimulate the economy the best way is from the bottom up. Poor people spend money in their local economy. Its one of the reasons they are poor, after all!

Rich people are more likely to invest it overseas or in a hedge fund, where its not going to do anyone here any good (except them).

Re: Poor people and credit cards and IO loans. Who do you think is collecting the interest from those?

[kewp]

Hey, the rich have had 8 years of welfare from the Bush administration. Especially the rate-cut bailouts that we are all paying for via inflation.

If you want to stimulate the economy the best way is from the bottom up. Poor people spend money in their local economy. Its one of the reasons they are poor, after all!

Rich people are more likely to invest it overseas or in a hedge fund, where its not going to do anyone here any good (except them).

Re: Poor people and credit cards and IO loans. Who do you think is collecting the interest from those?

[kewp]

Hey, the rich have had 8 years of welfare from the Bush administration. Especially the rate-cut bailouts that we are all paying for via inflation.

If you want to stimulate the economy the best way is from the bottom up. Poor people spend money in their local economy. Its one of the reasons they are poor, after all!

Rich people are more likely to invest it overseas or in a hedge fund, where its not going to do anyone here any good (except them).

Re: Poor people and credit cards and IO loans. Who do you think is collecting the interest from those?

[kewp]

Hey, the rich have had 8 years of welfare from the Bush administration. Especially the rate-cut bailouts that we are all paying for via inflation.

If you want to stimulate the economy the best way is from the bottom up. Poor people spend money in their local economy. Its one of the reasons they are poor, after all!

Rich people are more likely to invest it overseas or in a hedge fund, where its not going to do anyone here any good (except them).

Re: Poor people and credit cards and IO loans. Who do you think is collecting the interest from those?

[Coronita]

Don't like the robin hood concept, do you?

Get use to it if we have a one party government win on the other side this year.

The irony to this is most people, under the government's plan, are considered "rich" to be coughing up more taxes. The really really rich will always have tax shelters…

I seriously doubt a good portion of the people on this board would be considered "poor" by the government standards.

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[mixxalot]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history. All communist and socialist governments fail in the long run. It will drive the demise of America even quicker.

[kev374]

Are you claiming that people who make more than $75,000 are “rich”?

Most of the middle class (those between $75k – 200k) are the ones paying the MOST taxes. What do you mean 8 years of welfare?

How is *stealing* from those who strive to save their money and distributing it to those that don’t not moral hazard? Did we not go through this in New Orleans where they issued prepaid credit cards to the poor and they used them in strip clubs? Is this the kind of behavior we want to encourage?

The message being sent is that the government will distribute free checks from the taxpayer account so the spending can continue!

The $1200 will be gone but the problems with the economy will remain. The government is running record deficits. Who is going to pay for all these rebates?

[kewp]

My idea of rich is those that make over 200k a year.

I guess it all depends on your POV. And its those whom I’m suggesting benefited the most from Dubya’s tax cuts.

Re:New Orleans. So poor people spent money in strip clubs owned by rich people. Thats pretty much my point, allow the lower classes to retain more of their wealth and everyone benefits.

And believe me, I’m aware of the record deficits. Maybe we shouldn’t be waging wars on multiple fronts while cutting taxes for hedge fund managers…

[kewp]

My idea of rich is those that make over 200k a year.

I guess it all depends on your POV. And its those whom I’m suggesting benefited the most from Dubya’s tax cuts.

Re:New Orleans. So poor people spent money in strip clubs owned by rich people. Thats pretty much my point, allow the lower classes to retain more of their wealth and everyone benefits.

And believe me, I’m aware of the record deficits. Maybe we shouldn’t be waging wars on multiple fronts while cutting taxes for hedge fund managers…

[kewp]

My idea of rich is those that make over 200k a year.

I guess it all depends on your POV. And its those whom I’m suggesting benefited the most from Dubya’s tax cuts.

Re:New Orleans. So poor people spent money in strip clubs owned by rich people. Thats pretty much my point, allow the lower classes to retain more of their wealth and everyone benefits.

And believe me, I’m aware of the record deficits. Maybe we shouldn’t be waging wars on multiple fronts while cutting taxes for hedge fund managers…

[kewp]

My idea of rich is those that make over 200k a year.

I guess it all depends on your POV. And its those whom I’m suggesting benefited the most from Dubya’s tax cuts.

Re:New Orleans. So poor people spent money in strip clubs owned by rich people. Thats pretty much my point, allow the lower classes to retain more of their wealth and everyone benefits.

And believe me, I’m aware of the record deficits. Maybe we shouldn’t be waging wars on multiple fronts while cutting taxes for hedge fund managers…

[kewp]

My idea of rich is those that make over 200k a year.

I guess it all depends on your POV. And its those whom I’m suggesting benefited the most from Dubya’s tax cuts.

Re:New Orleans. So poor people spent money in strip clubs owned by rich people. Thats pretty much my point, allow the lower classes to retain more of their wealth and everyone benefits.

And believe me, I’m aware of the record deficits. Maybe we shouldn’t be waging wars on multiple fronts while cutting taxes for hedge fund managers…

[kev374]

Are you claiming that people who make more than $75,000 are “rich”?

Most of the middle class (those between $75k – 200k) are the ones paying the MOST taxes. What do you mean 8 years of welfare?

How is *stealing* from those who strive to save their money and distributing it to those that don’t not moral hazard? Did we not go through this in New Orleans where they issued prepaid credit cards to the poor and they used them in strip clubs? Is this the kind of behavior we want to encourage?

The message being sent is that the government will distribute free checks from the taxpayer account so the spending can continue!

The $1200 will be gone but the problems with the economy will remain. The government is running record deficits. Who is going to pay for all these rebates?

[kev374]

Are you claiming that people who make more than $75,000 are “rich”?

Most of the middle class (those between $75k – 200k) are the ones paying the MOST taxes. What do you mean 8 years of welfare?

How is *stealing* from those who strive to save their money and distributing it to those that don’t not moral hazard? Did we not go through this in New Orleans where they issued prepaid credit cards to the poor and they used them in strip clubs? Is this the kind of behavior we want to encourage?

The message being sent is that the government will distribute free checks from the taxpayer account so the spending can continue!

The $1200 will be gone but the problems with the economy will remain. The government is running record deficits. Who is going to pay for all these rebates?

[kev374]

Are you claiming that people who make more than $75,000 are “rich”?

Most of the middle class (those between $75k – 200k) are the ones paying the MOST taxes. What do you mean 8 years of welfare?

How is *stealing* from those who strive to save their money and distributing it to those that don’t not moral hazard? Did we not go through this in New Orleans where they issued prepaid credit cards to the poor and they used them in strip clubs? Is this the kind of behavior we want to encourage?

The message being sent is that the government will distribute free checks from the taxpayer account so the spending can continue!

The $1200 will be gone but the problems with the economy will remain. The government is running record deficits. Who is going to pay for all these rebates?

[kev374]

Are you claiming that people who make more than $75,000 are “rich”?

Most of the middle class (those between $75k – 200k) are the ones paying the MOST taxes. What do you mean 8 years of welfare?

How is *stealing* from those who strive to save their money and distributing it to those that don’t not moral hazard? Did we not go through this in New Orleans where they issued prepaid credit cards to the poor and they used them in strip clubs? Is this the kind of behavior we want to encourage?

The message being sent is that the government will distribute free checks from the taxpayer account so the spending can continue!

The $1200 will be gone but the problems with the economy will remain. The government is running record deficits. Who is going to pay for all these rebates?

[kewp]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Yeah that Euro is just going right down the toilet…

[NotCranky]

Sorry and thanks kev. Do you want half of mine? My house is paid for my cars are paid for. I enjoy being true to my conscience and my inner hippie more than I like money.Besides that I am really unemployable. My wife works part time. We will be getting the max plus apparently $300 for each kid of which we have plenty.

Seriously though. I don’t like the plan.I don’t like the idea that this is a massage of mass sentiment that we will be paying for even though we didn’t make an appointment.It is frightening how this seems to be a postponement of the day this country gets real.There are a lot of things I would like to see happen instead of getting a grand or two handed out per family. Could 150B pay for troop withdrawal?

I don’t like corporate favors or lobbying either. I think there are a lot of people with unionjobs, goverment jobs and defense contracting jobs that are on the gravy train 365 days a year working very little for my money by making everything an expensive ordeal and thus robbing my inner hippie of much quality of life potential. I guess I believe that everyone in the U.S. gets lots of handouts across the wealth spectrum, in different kinds of packages. We all get the shaft too in thousand of different ways…

[NotCranky]

Sorry and thanks kev. Do you want half of mine? My house is paid for my cars are paid for. I enjoy being true to my conscience and my inner hippie more than I like money.Besides that I am really unemployable. My wife works part time. We will be getting the max plus apparently $300 for each kid of which we have plenty.

Seriously though. I don’t like the plan.I don’t like the idea that this is a massage of mass sentiment that we will be paying for even though we didn’t make an appointment.It is frightening how this seems to be a postponement of the day this country gets real.There are a lot of things I would like to see happen instead of getting a grand or two handed out per family. Could 150B pay for troop withdrawal?

I don’t like corporate favors or lobbying either. I think there are a lot of people with unionjobs, goverment jobs and defense contracting jobs that are on the gravy train 365 days a year working very little for my money by making everything an expensive ordeal and thus robbing my inner hippie of much quality of life potential. I guess I believe that everyone in the U.S. gets lots of handouts across the wealth spectrum, in different kinds of packages. We all get the shaft too in thousand of different ways…

[NotCranky]

Sorry and thanks kev. Do you want half of mine? My house is paid for my cars are paid for. I enjoy being true to my conscience and my inner hippie more than I like money.Besides that I am really unemployable. My wife works part time. We will be getting the max plus apparently $300 for each kid of which we have plenty.

Seriously though. I don’t like the plan.I don’t like the idea that this is a massage of mass sentiment that we will be paying for even though we didn’t make an appointment.It is frightening how this seems to be a postponement of the day this country gets real.There are a lot of things I would like to see happen instead of getting a grand or two handed out per family. Could 150B pay for troop withdrawal?

I don’t like corporate favors or lobbying either. I think there are a lot of people with unionjobs, goverment jobs and defense contracting jobs that are on the gravy train 365 days a year working very little for my money by making everything an expensive ordeal and thus robbing my inner hippie of much quality of life potential. I guess I believe that everyone in the U.S. gets lots of handouts across the wealth spectrum, in different kinds of packages. We all get the shaft too in thousand of different ways…

[NotCranky]

Sorry and thanks kev. Do you want half of mine? My house is paid for my cars are paid for. I enjoy being true to my conscience and my inner hippie more than I like money.Besides that I am really unemployable. My wife works part time. We will be getting the max plus apparently $300 for each kid of which we have plenty.

Seriously though. I don’t like the plan.I don’t like the idea that this is a massage of mass sentiment that we will be paying for even though we didn’t make an appointment.It is frightening how this seems to be a postponement of the day this country gets real.There are a lot of things I would like to see happen instead of getting a grand or two handed out per family. Could 150B pay for troop withdrawal?

I don’t like corporate favors or lobbying either. I think there are a lot of people with unionjobs, goverment jobs and defense contracting jobs that are on the gravy train 365 days a year working very little for my money by making everything an expensive ordeal and thus robbing my inner hippie of much quality of life potential. I guess I believe that everyone in the U.S. gets lots of handouts across the wealth spectrum, in different kinds of packages. We all get the shaft too in thousand of different ways…

[NotCranky]

Sorry and thanks kev. Do you want half of mine? My house is paid for my cars are paid for. I enjoy being true to my conscience and my inner hippie more than I like money.Besides that I am really unemployable. My wife works part time. We will be getting the max plus apparently $300 for each kid of which we have plenty.

Seriously though. I don’t like the plan.I don’t like the idea that this is a massage of mass sentiment that we will be paying for even though we didn’t make an appointment.It is frightening how this seems to be a postponement of the day this country gets real.There are a lot of things I would like to see happen instead of getting a grand or two handed out per family. Could 150B pay for troop withdrawal?

I don’t like corporate favors or lobbying either. I think there are a lot of people with unionjobs, goverment jobs and defense contracting jobs that are on the gravy train 365 days a year working very little for my money by making everything an expensive ordeal and thus robbing my inner hippie of much quality of life potential. I guess I believe that everyone in the U.S. gets lots of handouts across the wealth spectrum, in different kinds of packages. We all get the shaft too in thousand of different ways…

[kewp]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Yeah that Euro is just going right down the toilet…

[kewp]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Yeah that Euro is just going right down the toilet…

[kewp]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Yeah that Euro is just going right down the toilet…

[kewp]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Yeah that Euro is just going right down the toilet…

[Anonymous]

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history.

But hey…speaking of not learning history…capitalism is a system designed to keep certain folks richer than others, and not based on their merit or commitment to fiscal responsibility, either. Is socialism the alternative? Probably not. But a system does not justify itself by simply managing to continue.

[Arty]

Well, who told you to elect Bush? Hahahahahahah….cough…cough…cough………

[mixxalot]

I did not vote for Bush

And voting for Ron Paul even though he has little chance of winning- thats the real problem, the good guys never win.

[mixxalot]

I did not vote for Bush

And voting for Ron Paul even though he has little chance of winning- thats the real problem, the good guys never win.

[mixxalot]

I did not vote for Bush

And voting for Ron Paul even though he has little chance of winning- thats the real problem, the good guys never win.

[mixxalot]

I did not vote for Bush

And voting for Ron Paul even though he has little chance of winning- thats the real problem, the good guys never win.

[mixxalot]

I did not vote for Bush

And voting for Ron Paul even though he has little chance of winning- thats the real problem, the good guys never win.

[Arty]

Well, who told you to elect Bush? Hahahahahahah….cough…cough…cough………

[Arty]

Well, who told you to elect Bush? Hahahahahahah….cough…cough…cough………

[Arty]

Well, who told you to elect Bush? Hahahahahahah….cough…cough…cough………

[Arty]

Well, who told you to elect Bush? Hahahahahahah….cough…cough…cough………

[Anonymous]

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history.

But hey…speaking of not learning history…capitalism is a system designed to keep certain folks richer than others, and not based on their merit or commitment to fiscal responsibility, either. Is socialism the alternative? Probably not. But a system does not justify itself by simply managing to continue.

[Anonymous]

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history.

But hey…speaking of not learning history…capitalism is a system designed to keep certain folks richer than others, and not based on their merit or commitment to fiscal responsibility, either. Is socialism the alternative? Probably not. But a system does not justify itself by simply managing to continue.

[Anonymous]

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history.

But hey…speaking of not learning history…capitalism is a system designed to keep certain folks richer than others, and not based on their merit or commitment to fiscal responsibility, either. Is socialism the alternative? Probably not. But a system does not justify itself by simply managing to continue.

[Anonymous]

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history.

But hey…speaking of not learning history…capitalism is a system designed to keep certain folks richer than others, and not based on their merit or commitment to fiscal responsibility, either. Is socialism the alternative? Probably not. But a system does not justify itself by simply managing to continue.

[mixxalot]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history. All communist and socialist governments fail in the long run. It will drive the demise of America even quicker.

[mixxalot]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history. All communist and socialist governments fail in the long run. It will drive the demise of America even quicker.

[mixxalot]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history. All communist and socialist governments fail in the long run. It will drive the demise of America even quicker.

[mixxalot]

Socialism is a failed experiment

Amazing how stupid people are to not learn or study history. All communist and socialist governments fail in the long run. It will drive the demise of America even quicker.

[Coronita]

Don't like the robin hood concept, do you?

Get use to it if we have a one party government win on the other side this year.

The irony to this is most people, under the government's plan, are considered "rich" to be coughing up more taxes. The really really rich will always have tax shelters…

I seriously doubt a good portion of the people on this board would be considered "poor" by the government standards.

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Don't like the robin hood concept, do you?

Get use to it if we have a one party government win on the other side this year.

The irony to this is most people, under the government's plan, are considered "rich" to be coughing up more taxes. The really really rich will always have tax shelters…

I seriously doubt a good portion of the people on this board would be considered "poor" by the government standards.

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Don't like the robin hood concept, do you?

Get use to it if we have a one party government win on the other side this year.

The irony to this is most people, under the government's plan, are considered "rich" to be coughing up more taxes. The really really rich will always have tax shelters…

I seriously doubt a good portion of the people on this board would be considered "poor" by the government standards.

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Don't like the robin hood concept, do you?

Get use to it if we have a one party government win on the other side this year.

The irony to this is most people, under the government's plan, are considered "rich" to be coughing up more taxes. The really really rich will always have tax shelters…

I seriously doubt a good portion of the people on this board would be considered "poor" by the government standards.

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[tc]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

[kev374]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I’m not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn’t that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don’t. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke is not long for the fed. he’ll be scapegoated for the entire mess. greenspan bailed when he saw the signs, bernanke could not see the mess (“subprime has not affected the broader economy”), he could not mitigate the mess (we now have inflation on top of the banking crisis) and his words to congress on the “stimulus package” are being repeated verbatim ad nauseum: “quick, focused, short term”. even though bush is currently taking credit, congress is stroking each other on “cooperation”, when the economy continues south, bernanke will get the finger.

assuming everything goes according to dr. evil bear’s evil plan.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke is not long for the fed. he’ll be scapegoated for the entire mess. greenspan bailed when he saw the signs, bernanke could not see the mess (“subprime has not affected the broader economy”), he could not mitigate the mess (we now have inflation on top of the banking crisis) and his words to congress on the “stimulus package” are being repeated verbatim ad nauseum: “quick, focused, short term”. even though bush is currently taking credit, congress is stroking each other on “cooperation”, when the economy continues south, bernanke will get the finger.

assuming everything goes according to dr. evil bear’s evil plan.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke is not long for the fed. he’ll be scapegoated for the entire mess. greenspan bailed when he saw the signs, bernanke could not see the mess (“subprime has not affected the broader economy”), he could not mitigate the mess (we now have inflation on top of the banking crisis) and his words to congress on the “stimulus package” are being repeated verbatim ad nauseum: “quick, focused, short term”. even though bush is currently taking credit, congress is stroking each other on “cooperation”, when the economy continues south, bernanke will get the finger.

assuming everything goes according to dr. evil bear’s evil plan.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke is not long for the fed. he’ll be scapegoated for the entire mess. greenspan bailed when he saw the signs, bernanke could not see the mess (“subprime has not affected the broader economy”), he could not mitigate the mess (we now have inflation on top of the banking crisis) and his words to congress on the “stimulus package” are being repeated verbatim ad nauseum: “quick, focused, short term”. even though bush is currently taking credit, congress is stroking each other on “cooperation”, when the economy continues south, bernanke will get the finger.

assuming everything goes according to dr. evil bear’s evil plan.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke is not long for the fed. he’ll be scapegoated for the entire mess. greenspan bailed when he saw the signs, bernanke could not see the mess (“subprime has not affected the broader economy”), he could not mitigate the mess (we now have inflation on top of the banking crisis) and his words to congress on the “stimulus package” are being repeated verbatim ad nauseum: “quick, focused, short term”. even though bush is currently taking credit, congress is stroking each other on “cooperation”, when the economy continues south, bernanke will get the finger.

assuming everything goes according to dr. evil bear’s evil plan.

[Coronita]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I'm not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn't that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don't. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

 

 

Exactly. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Aecetia]

I voted for Bush, but I did not vote for the clone that he was replaced with. I want his DNA checked.

[Ricechex]

Kev–I so agree. Is $75K setting the new bar for rich?

[paramount]

And I certainly do not consider someone making 74k low income.

Only in Piggy Land…

[kev374]

interesting watch:

http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNN-1-22-08_lg.asp

[kev374]

interesting watch:

http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNN-1-22-08_lg.asp

[kev374]

interesting watch:

http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNN-1-22-08_lg.asp

[kev374]

interesting watch:

http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNN-1-22-08_lg.asp

[kev374]

interesting watch:

http://www.europac.net/Schiff-CNN-1-22-08_lg.asp

[renterclint]

Hey, I made barely over $75k when I lived in SD and let me tell you, I really felt “low income”.

Yes, kewp, giving the money to the low income folks tends to have a more immediate impact on the economy. Didn’t we all learn that in lower division Economics courses… money mulitiplier anyone?

Kev374, I think you’re missing the real point. The goverment isn’t “*stealing* from those who strive to save their money”. You aren’t paying for this! This is all debt financed, baby! Our children will be footing the bill on this one.

What the hell is the matter with our country?! Deficit funded rebates to the poor & 75 basis point cuts in Fed Funds rates in one week? The government is telling us all to ignore the inevitable down-turn & borrow more money!!

I’m no economist, but exactly how long can we support an entire economy on debt spending? How has a typically non-mainstream guy like Ron Paul become a voice of reason in this consumer debt-driven madness?

[renterclint]

Hey, I made barely over $75k when I lived in SD and let me tell you, I really felt “low income”.

Yes, kewp, giving the money to the low income folks tends to have a more immediate impact on the economy. Didn’t we all learn that in lower division Economics courses… money mulitiplier anyone?

Kev374, I think you’re missing the real point. The goverment isn’t “*stealing* from those who strive to save their money”. You aren’t paying for this! This is all debt financed, baby! Our children will be footing the bill on this one.

What the hell is the matter with our country?! Deficit funded rebates to the poor & 75 basis point cuts in Fed Funds rates in one week? The government is telling us all to ignore the inevitable down-turn & borrow more money!!

I’m no economist, but exactly how long can we support an entire economy on debt spending? How has a typically non-mainstream guy like Ron Paul become a voice of reason in this consumer debt-driven madness?

[renterclint]

Hey, I made barely over $75k when I lived in SD and let me tell you, I really felt “low income”.

Yes, kewp, giving the money to the low income folks tends to have a more immediate impact on the economy. Didn’t we all learn that in lower division Economics courses… money mulitiplier anyone?

Kev374, I think you’re missing the real point. The goverment isn’t “*stealing* from those who strive to save their money”. You aren’t paying for this! This is all debt financed, baby! Our children will be footing the bill on this one.

What the hell is the matter with our country?! Deficit funded rebates to the poor & 75 basis point cuts in Fed Funds rates in one week? The government is telling us all to ignore the inevitable down-turn & borrow more money!!

I’m no economist, but exactly how long can we support an entire economy on debt spending? How has a typically non-mainstream guy like Ron Paul become a voice of reason in this consumer debt-driven madness?

[renterclint]

Hey, I made barely over $75k when I lived in SD and let me tell you, I really felt “low income”.

Yes, kewp, giving the money to the low income folks tends to have a more immediate impact on the economy. Didn’t we all learn that in lower division Economics courses… money mulitiplier anyone?

Kev374, I think you’re missing the real point. The goverment isn’t “*stealing* from those who strive to save their money”. You aren’t paying for this! This is all debt financed, baby! Our children will be footing the bill on this one.

What the hell is the matter with our country?! Deficit funded rebates to the poor & 75 basis point cuts in Fed Funds rates in one week? The government is telling us all to ignore the inevitable down-turn & borrow more money!!

I’m no economist, but exactly how long can we support an entire economy on debt spending? How has a typically non-mainstream guy like Ron Paul become a voice of reason in this consumer debt-driven madness?

[renterclint]

Hey, I made barely over $75k when I lived in SD and let me tell you, I really felt “low income”.

Yes, kewp, giving the money to the low income folks tends to have a more immediate impact on the economy. Didn’t we all learn that in lower division Economics courses… money mulitiplier anyone?

Kev374, I think you’re missing the real point. The goverment isn’t “*stealing* from those who strive to save their money”. You aren’t paying for this! This is all debt financed, baby! Our children will be footing the bill on this one.

What the hell is the matter with our country?! Deficit funded rebates to the poor & 75 basis point cuts in Fed Funds rates in one week? The government is telling us all to ignore the inevitable down-turn & borrow more money!!

I’m no economist, but exactly how long can we support an entire economy on debt spending? How has a typically non-mainstream guy like Ron Paul become a voice of reason in this consumer debt-driven madness?

[paramount]

And I certainly do not consider someone making 74k low income.

Only in Piggy Land…

[paramount]

And I certainly do not consider someone making 74k low income.

Only in Piggy Land…

[paramount]

And I certainly do not consider someone making 74k low income.

Only in Piggy Land…

[paramount]

And I certainly do not consider someone making 74k low income.

Only in Piggy Land…

[Ricechex]

Kev–I so agree. Is $75K setting the new bar for rich?

[Ricechex]

Kev–I so agree. Is $75K setting the new bar for rich?

[Ricechex]

Kev–I so agree. Is $75K setting the new bar for rich?

[Ricechex]

Kev–I so agree. Is $75K setting the new bar for rich?

[Aecetia]

I voted for Bush, but I did not vote for the clone that he was replaced with. I want his DNA checked.

[Aecetia]

I voted for Bush, but I did not vote for the clone that he was replaced with. I want his DNA checked.

[Aecetia]

I voted for Bush, but I did not vote for the clone that he was replaced with. I want his DNA checked.

[Aecetia]

I voted for Bush, but I did not vote for the clone that he was replaced with. I want his DNA checked.

[Coronita]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I'm not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn't that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don't. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

 

 

Exactly. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I'm not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn't that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don't. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

 

 

Exactly. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I'm not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn't that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don't. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

 

 

Exactly. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I'm not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn't that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don't. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

 

 

Exactly. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[kev374]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I’m not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn’t that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don’t. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

[kev374]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I’m not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn’t that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don’t. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

[kev374]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I’m not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn’t that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don’t. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

[kev374]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

First, I’m not against helping people who deserve to be helped. This means helping people help themselves become better skilled and more productive. That makes our population more competitive in the global marketplace. How is giving free checks helping anyone? People have been consuming beyond their means and now we want to send them some more taxpayer money to spend because they have run out of available credit? Isn’t that moral hazard?

Second, about making too much… I don’t. I pay 38% of my overall income in taxes and my marginal rate is 48%. I live way below my means and believe in saving for a rainy day. Instead, I am seeing my savings evaporate due to increasing inflation and lower interest rates.

The policy of this current government is to penalize those who are responsible, those who have spent countless hours acquiring skills so that they can be successful.

The only way is to game the system by shifting from W2 income to 1099 and deduct everything, especially since we will be seeing increasing taxation towards already burdened middle income W2 earners in the future.

[tc]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

[tc]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

[tc]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

[tc]

Oh poor you! You make to much for the government to give you help. That must be a real bummer.

[greensd]

Look here:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=1741&DocTypeID=2

The top 20% will get 27.1% of the stimulus money, while the bottom 20% gets only 6.5%. That’s “socialism”? That’s “robin hood”? Oh, how the wealthy suffer in this country! They always get the short end of the stick. It’s almost enough to make you quit your six figure job and go on welfare, right?

[surveyor]

Considering the bottom 20% pays very little to no taxes, the “tax rebate” to that 20% is actually free money.

So, yes, that is in fact “robin hood”.

[CBad]

Exactly. Doesn’t the bottom 20% only contribute to about .2% of the income tax burden overall?

[noone]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

I hope you don’t live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? “Now don’t tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I’m paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back.”

[Coronita]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn't put in!

I hope you don't live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? "Now don't tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I'm paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back."

 

Uh…

1) Yes, if my regular hangout buddies go out to lunch and some of us decides to gulp down a few beers, and one of us doesn't, yes it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly. If you hang out with your buddies and don't regularly drink or consume as much, yes you are sort of getting shafted, depending on how often you hang out with your buddies. And if you're that "generous" about watching your money sort of trickle out like that, frankly that's not wise money management.

Of course there are exceptions to the this rule (as part of social etiquete..For example, it's a completely different story if you go out with acquaintances and such. )

 

2) I always count the change I get back from clerks/etc. You'd be surprised how often they get it wrong. And when it is, no matter how small the amount, i ask for it back. Does it make more sense to let the store "have it"?

3) Tipping is an american thing frankly. Most places overseas in asia don't tip. Nevertheless, why should you tip the same whether you get crappy service versus good service? You wouldn't spend full amount a sweater that has a defect, would you?

4) It's not about poor being lucky. It's about handouts. Handouts across the scale. Though I won't qualify for this particular handout. Nevertheless, that 700k conforming loan limit will be nice for me, so I guess it washes out :)..Though it would be bad for my kid…Oh wait, but i plan on leaving her with a silver spoon, so she doesn't have to worry about this. Oh wait, but that's not fair either.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

 

[greensd]

Uh…
Yes… it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly…you are sort of getting shafted…that’s not wise money management… I always count the change…. Most places overseas in asia don’t tip. … It’s about handouts…

In other words: yes, they are like this in real life.

[greensd]

Uh…
Yes… it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly…you are sort of getting shafted…that’s not wise money management… I always count the change…. Most places overseas in asia don’t tip. … It’s about handouts…

In other words: yes, they are like this in real life.

[greensd]

Uh…
Yes… it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly…you are sort of getting shafted…that’s not wise money management… I always count the change…. Most places overseas in asia don’t tip. … It’s about handouts…

In other words: yes, they are like this in real life.

[greensd]

Uh…
Yes… it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly…you are sort of getting shafted…that’s not wise money management… I always count the change…. Most places overseas in asia don’t tip. … It’s about handouts…

In other words: yes, they are like this in real life.

[greensd]

Uh…
Yes… it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly…you are sort of getting shafted…that’s not wise money management… I always count the change…. Most places overseas in asia don’t tip. … It’s about handouts…

In other words: yes, they are like this in real life.

[Coronita]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn't put in!

I hope you don't live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? "Now don't tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I'm paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back."

 

Uh…

1) Yes, if my regular hangout buddies go out to lunch and some of us decides to gulp down a few beers, and one of us doesn't, yes it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly. If you hang out with your buddies and don't regularly drink or consume as much, yes you are sort of getting shafted, depending on how often you hang out with your buddies. And if you're that "generous" about watching your money sort of trickle out like that, frankly that's not wise money management.

Of course there are exceptions to the this rule (as part of social etiquete..For example, it's a completely different story if you go out with acquaintances and such. )

 

2) I always count the change I get back from clerks/etc. You'd be surprised how often they get it wrong. And when it is, no matter how small the amount, i ask for it back. Does it make more sense to let the store "have it"?

3) Tipping is an american thing frankly. Most places overseas in asia don't tip. Nevertheless, why should you tip the same whether you get crappy service versus good service? You wouldn't spend full amount a sweater that has a defect, would you?

4) It's not about poor being lucky. It's about handouts. Handouts across the scale. Though I won't qualify for this particular handout. Nevertheless, that 700k conforming loan limit will be nice for me, so I guess it washes out :)..Though it would be bad for my kid…Oh wait, but i plan on leaving her with a silver spoon, so she doesn't have to worry about this. Oh wait, but that's not fair either.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

 

[Coronita]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn't put in!

I hope you don't live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? "Now don't tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I'm paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back."

 

Uh…

1) Yes, if my regular hangout buddies go out to lunch and some of us decides to gulp down a few beers, and one of us doesn't, yes it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly. If you hang out with your buddies and don't regularly drink or consume as much, yes you are sort of getting shafted, depending on how often you hang out with your buddies. And if you're that "generous" about watching your money sort of trickle out like that, frankly that's not wise money management.

Of course there are exceptions to the this rule (as part of social etiquete..For example, it's a completely different story if you go out with acquaintances and such. )

 

2) I always count the change I get back from clerks/etc. You'd be surprised how often they get it wrong. And when it is, no matter how small the amount, i ask for it back. Does it make more sense to let the store "have it"?

3) Tipping is an american thing frankly. Most places overseas in asia don't tip. Nevertheless, why should you tip the same whether you get crappy service versus good service? You wouldn't spend full amount a sweater that has a defect, would you?

4) It's not about poor being lucky. It's about handouts. Handouts across the scale. Though I won't qualify for this particular handout. Nevertheless, that 700k conforming loan limit will be nice for me, so I guess it washes out :)..Though it would be bad for my kid…Oh wait, but i plan on leaving her with a silver spoon, so she doesn't have to worry about this. Oh wait, but that's not fair either.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

 

[Coronita]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn't put in!

I hope you don't live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? "Now don't tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I'm paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back."

 

Uh…

1) Yes, if my regular hangout buddies go out to lunch and some of us decides to gulp down a few beers, and one of us doesn't, yes it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly. If you hang out with your buddies and don't regularly drink or consume as much, yes you are sort of getting shafted, depending on how often you hang out with your buddies. And if you're that "generous" about watching your money sort of trickle out like that, frankly that's not wise money management.

Of course there are exceptions to the this rule (as part of social etiquete..For example, it's a completely different story if you go out with acquaintances and such. )

 

2) I always count the change I get back from clerks/etc. You'd be surprised how often they get it wrong. And when it is, no matter how small the amount, i ask for it back. Does it make more sense to let the store "have it"?

3) Tipping is an american thing frankly. Most places overseas in asia don't tip. Nevertheless, why should you tip the same whether you get crappy service versus good service? You wouldn't spend full amount a sweater that has a defect, would you?

4) It's not about poor being lucky. It's about handouts. Handouts across the scale. Though I won't qualify for this particular handout. Nevertheless, that 700k conforming loan limit will be nice for me, so I guess it washes out :)..Though it would be bad for my kid…Oh wait, but i plan on leaving her with a silver spoon, so she doesn't have to worry about this. Oh wait, but that's not fair either.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

 

[Coronita]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn't put in!

I hope you don't live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? "Now don't tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I'm paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back."

 

Uh…

1) Yes, if my regular hangout buddies go out to lunch and some of us decides to gulp down a few beers, and one of us doesn't, yes it is common courtesy not to split the bill evenly. If you hang out with your buddies and don't regularly drink or consume as much, yes you are sort of getting shafted, depending on how often you hang out with your buddies. And if you're that "generous" about watching your money sort of trickle out like that, frankly that's not wise money management.

Of course there are exceptions to the this rule (as part of social etiquete..For example, it's a completely different story if you go out with acquaintances and such. )

 

2) I always count the change I get back from clerks/etc. You'd be surprised how often they get it wrong. And when it is, no matter how small the amount, i ask for it back. Does it make more sense to let the store "have it"?

3) Tipping is an american thing frankly. Most places overseas in asia don't tip. Nevertheless, why should you tip the same whether you get crappy service versus good service? You wouldn't spend full amount a sweater that has a defect, would you?

4) It's not about poor being lucky. It's about handouts. Handouts across the scale. Though I won't qualify for this particular handout. Nevertheless, that 700k conforming loan limit will be nice for me, so I guess it washes out :)..Though it would be bad for my kid…Oh wait, but i plan on leaving her with a silver spoon, so she doesn't have to worry about this. Oh wait, but that's not fair either.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

 

[drunkle]

“Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.”

i agree on the basis that society is measured by the welfare of its least fortunate.

this class and race warfare that’s been fomented in society has to be recognized for what it is. in cnn’s political news section there’s an article on obama and clinton in s. carolina. the democratic vote there is characterized as “the black vote”. and cnn is supposed to be part of the “liberal media”?

anyway, i think the bottom line here for all of “us” that are participants of this blog belong to the “not rich” category. we are people that have to work in order to maintain our standard of living. we are also that part of society that bears the greatest burden of society. we entertain the notion of becoming truly rich and so we like to keep that door open and keep that possibility truly grand. and so, we spite the poor who we have to suffer and we lick the boots of those we admire.

[doublewide]

I read somewhere that the cap for this rebate plan was combined income of 150K if joint filers. I can’t remember where now, maybe a reuters link? Please forgive my lack of linkage.

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or
W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?

While I think the whole scheme is a bad idea and nothing but a psychological manipulation, if the government is giving away free money I want to be sure to get mine so I can put it right into our daughter’s savings account.

Thanks for any info. anyone would like to share.

Doublewide

[CBad]

I don’t think anyone on here thinks poor people are lucky nor are they jealous of them. If they were, they would be in that tax bracket.

[CBad]

I don’t think anyone on here thinks poor people are lucky nor are they jealous of them. If they were, they would be in that tax bracket.

[CBad]

I don’t think anyone on here thinks poor people are lucky nor are they jealous of them. If they were, they would be in that tax bracket.

[CBad]

I don’t think anyone on here thinks poor people are lucky nor are they jealous of them. If they were, they would be in that tax bracket.

[CBad]

I don’t think anyone on here thinks poor people are lucky nor are they jealous of them. If they were, they would be in that tax bracket.

[noone]

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?”

Yes it is AGI.

If they do it the same way they did it last time (2001 I think it was), yes they’ll send out checks based on how you filed in 2006. Then on your 2008 return, you would make any adjustments. It is really a tax credit for 2008. They want to send out checks to give people that psychological feeling that they are getting free money.

[noone]

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?”

Yes it is AGI.

If they do it the same way they did it last time (2001 I think it was), yes they’ll send out checks based on how you filed in 2006. Then on your 2008 return, you would make any adjustments. It is really a tax credit for 2008. They want to send out checks to give people that psychological feeling that they are getting free money.

[noone]

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?”

Yes it is AGI.

If they do it the same way they did it last time (2001 I think it was), yes they’ll send out checks based on how you filed in 2006. Then on your 2008 return, you would make any adjustments. It is really a tax credit for 2008. They want to send out checks to give people that psychological feeling that they are getting free money.

[noone]

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?”

Yes it is AGI.

If they do it the same way they did it last time (2001 I think it was), yes they’ll send out checks based on how you filed in 2006. Then on your 2008 return, you would make any adjustments. It is really a tax credit for 2008. They want to send out checks to give people that psychological feeling that they are getting free money.

[noone]

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?”

Yes it is AGI.

If they do it the same way they did it last time (2001 I think it was), yes they’ll send out checks based on how you filed in 2006. Then on your 2008 return, you would make any adjustments. It is really a tax credit for 2008. They want to send out checks to give people that psychological feeling that they are getting free money.

[doublewide]

I read somewhere that the cap for this rebate plan was combined income of 150K if joint filers. I can’t remember where now, maybe a reuters link? Please forgive my lack of linkage.

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or
W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?

While I think the whole scheme is a bad idea and nothing but a psychological manipulation, if the government is giving away free money I want to be sure to get mine so I can put it right into our daughter’s savings account.

Thanks for any info. anyone would like to share.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

I read somewhere that the cap for this rebate plan was combined income of 150K if joint filers. I can’t remember where now, maybe a reuters link? Please forgive my lack of linkage.

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or
W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?

While I think the whole scheme is a bad idea and nothing but a psychological manipulation, if the government is giving away free money I want to be sure to get mine so I can put it right into our daughter’s savings account.

Thanks for any info. anyone would like to share.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

I read somewhere that the cap for this rebate plan was combined income of 150K if joint filers. I can’t remember where now, maybe a reuters link? Please forgive my lack of linkage.

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or
W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?

While I think the whole scheme is a bad idea and nothing but a psychological manipulation, if the government is giving away free money I want to be sure to get mine so I can put it right into our daughter’s savings account.

Thanks for any info. anyone would like to share.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

I read somewhere that the cap for this rebate plan was combined income of 150K if joint filers. I can’t remember where now, maybe a reuters link? Please forgive my lack of linkage.

My question is, is this 150K in Adjusted Gross Income or
W-2/1099 reporting? Is it based on what you earned in 2006 as reported on your taxes filed in 2007?

While I think the whole scheme is a bad idea and nothing but a psychological manipulation, if the government is giving away free money I want to be sure to get mine so I can put it right into our daughter’s savings account.

Thanks for any info. anyone would like to share.

Doublewide

[drunkle]

“Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.”

i agree on the basis that society is measured by the welfare of its least fortunate.

this class and race warfare that’s been fomented in society has to be recognized for what it is. in cnn’s political news section there’s an article on obama and clinton in s. carolina. the democratic vote there is characterized as “the black vote”. and cnn is supposed to be part of the “liberal media”?

anyway, i think the bottom line here for all of “us” that are participants of this blog belong to the “not rich” category. we are people that have to work in order to maintain our standard of living. we are also that part of society that bears the greatest burden of society. we entertain the notion of becoming truly rich and so we like to keep that door open and keep that possibility truly grand. and so, we spite the poor who we have to suffer and we lick the boots of those we admire.

[drunkle]

“Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.”

i agree on the basis that society is measured by the welfare of its least fortunate.

this class and race warfare that’s been fomented in society has to be recognized for what it is. in cnn’s political news section there’s an article on obama and clinton in s. carolina. the democratic vote there is characterized as “the black vote”. and cnn is supposed to be part of the “liberal media”?

anyway, i think the bottom line here for all of “us” that are participants of this blog belong to the “not rich” category. we are people that have to work in order to maintain our standard of living. we are also that part of society that bears the greatest burden of society. we entertain the notion of becoming truly rich and so we like to keep that door open and keep that possibility truly grand. and so, we spite the poor who we have to suffer and we lick the boots of those we admire.

[drunkle]

“Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.”

i agree on the basis that society is measured by the welfare of its least fortunate.

this class and race warfare that’s been fomented in society has to be recognized for what it is. in cnn’s political news section there’s an article on obama and clinton in s. carolina. the democratic vote there is characterized as “the black vote”. and cnn is supposed to be part of the “liberal media”?

anyway, i think the bottom line here for all of “us” that are participants of this blog belong to the “not rich” category. we are people that have to work in order to maintain our standard of living. we are also that part of society that bears the greatest burden of society. we entertain the notion of becoming truly rich and so we like to keep that door open and keep that possibility truly grand. and so, we spite the poor who we have to suffer and we lick the boots of those we admire.

[drunkle]

“Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.”

i agree on the basis that society is measured by the welfare of its least fortunate.

this class and race warfare that’s been fomented in society has to be recognized for what it is. in cnn’s political news section there’s an article on obama and clinton in s. carolina. the democratic vote there is characterized as “the black vote”. and cnn is supposed to be part of the “liberal media”?

anyway, i think the bottom line here for all of “us” that are participants of this blog belong to the “not rich” category. we are people that have to work in order to maintain our standard of living. we are also that part of society that bears the greatest burden of society. we entertain the notion of becoming truly rich and so we like to keep that door open and keep that possibility truly grand. and so, we spite the poor who we have to suffer and we lick the boots of those we admire.

[Anonymous]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.

[NotCranky]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.
Let me try,,,
Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

[Anonymous]

>>Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I’m taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

[Coronita]

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I'm taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

 

That would be "calling in sick"… Just don't be a dumb-ss like this guy

http://www.switched.com/2007/11/13/lying-male-intern-busted-in-a-dress-on-facebook/

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I'm taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

 

That would be "calling in sick"… Just don't be a dumb-ss like this guy

http://www.switched.com/2007/11/13/lying-male-intern-busted-in-a-dress-on-facebook/

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I'm taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

 

That would be "calling in sick"… Just don't be a dumb-ss like this guy

http://www.switched.com/2007/11/13/lying-male-intern-busted-in-a-dress-on-facebook/

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I'm taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

 

That would be "calling in sick"… Just don't be a dumb-ss like this guy

http://www.switched.com/2007/11/13/lying-male-intern-busted-in-a-dress-on-facebook/

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I'm taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

 

That would be "calling in sick"… Just don't be a dumb-ss like this guy

http://www.switched.com/2007/11/13/lying-male-intern-busted-in-a-dress-on-facebook/

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Anonymous]

>>Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I’m taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

[Anonymous]

>>Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I’m taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

[Anonymous]

>>Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I’m taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

[Anonymous]

>>Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

True dat. Something for nothing is pretty impressive. Might have to try that on my boss- tell her I’m taking the day off but still want to get paid for it. 🙂

[NotCranky]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.
Let me try,,,
Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

[NotCranky]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.
Let me try,,,
Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

[NotCranky]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.
Let me try,,,
Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

[NotCranky]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.
Let me try,,,
Because they are the ones that will be most impressed by it.

[Anonymous]

Duh, because they weren’t able to “put in”.

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the “burden” of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don’t know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they’re doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your “burden” for theirs, you wouldn’t last a week!

[Coronita]

Duh, because they weren't able to "put in".

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the "burden" of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don't know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they're doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your "burden" for theirs, you wouldn't last a week!

 

fosub,

I think the premise here though is that this definition of "low income" rebate check is different from the "low income" you describe. You're talking about "low income" people who for practical purposes don't even pay taxes.

 

This rebate program is giving to people that I would argue was arbitrarily set at $65k/$150k individual/family. Granted $65k income and $150k household income isn't considered "rich", at the same time I don't consider this to be "low income". I think the original poster meant just that. This is a pretty arbitrary rebate. In fact, it was a rebate that was meant to be given to the "middle class" so that they would spend to oblivion. And most americans probably will. 

I don't qualify for this rebate. I'm frankly not pissed that I don't get one. I just think that $150billion the government is giving out would have been better well spent if used for a purpose. For example, education, infrastructure, etc. What's worse, is this government doesn't have the $150billion.

And worse most of it will end up in the pockets our or overseas contituents that sell us all the  stuff consumers buy.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[drunkle]

ben bernanke helped frame this rebate program with his thoughts on what people of differenct economic classes will do with the money. that is, the poor will spend it while the better off will save it.

frankly, $600 is still a pittance to anyone making more than 30k a year. it’ll buy you a couple months of beer, some new shoes and pants, just crap.

by funneling money to the poor, to people who have low or no income tax liability, you’re achieving two things. wealth transfer from the middle class to the rich and stimulus to the consumer economy. the stimulus part is obvious, the poor will mostly spend it on consumer goods and help prop sales. the funneling is the tricky part; the upper 80% pay for the lower 50% to go shopping. the money flows through the hands of the lower 50 and into the hands of the top 40 who own and sell crap. the working class get screwed, the middle service providers get screwed, the lower class get garbage and the upper class get their money back and then some.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke helped frame this rebate program with his thoughts on what people of differenct economic classes will do with the money. that is, the poor will spend it while the better off will save it.

frankly, $600 is still a pittance to anyone making more than 30k a year. it’ll buy you a couple months of beer, some new shoes and pants, just crap.

by funneling money to the poor, to people who have low or no income tax liability, you’re achieving two things. wealth transfer from the middle class to the rich and stimulus to the consumer economy. the stimulus part is obvious, the poor will mostly spend it on consumer goods and help prop sales. the funneling is the tricky part; the upper 80% pay for the lower 50% to go shopping. the money flows through the hands of the lower 50 and into the hands of the top 40 who own and sell crap. the working class get screwed, the middle service providers get screwed, the lower class get garbage and the upper class get their money back and then some.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke helped frame this rebate program with his thoughts on what people of differenct economic classes will do with the money. that is, the poor will spend it while the better off will save it.

frankly, $600 is still a pittance to anyone making more than 30k a year. it’ll buy you a couple months of beer, some new shoes and pants, just crap.

by funneling money to the poor, to people who have low or no income tax liability, you’re achieving two things. wealth transfer from the middle class to the rich and stimulus to the consumer economy. the stimulus part is obvious, the poor will mostly spend it on consumer goods and help prop sales. the funneling is the tricky part; the upper 80% pay for the lower 50% to go shopping. the money flows through the hands of the lower 50 and into the hands of the top 40 who own and sell crap. the working class get screwed, the middle service providers get screwed, the lower class get garbage and the upper class get their money back and then some.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke helped frame this rebate program with his thoughts on what people of differenct economic classes will do with the money. that is, the poor will spend it while the better off will save it.

frankly, $600 is still a pittance to anyone making more than 30k a year. it’ll buy you a couple months of beer, some new shoes and pants, just crap.

by funneling money to the poor, to people who have low or no income tax liability, you’re achieving two things. wealth transfer from the middle class to the rich and stimulus to the consumer economy. the stimulus part is obvious, the poor will mostly spend it on consumer goods and help prop sales. the funneling is the tricky part; the upper 80% pay for the lower 50% to go shopping. the money flows through the hands of the lower 50 and into the hands of the top 40 who own and sell crap. the working class get screwed, the middle service providers get screwed, the lower class get garbage and the upper class get their money back and then some.

[drunkle]

ben bernanke helped frame this rebate program with his thoughts on what people of differenct economic classes will do with the money. that is, the poor will spend it while the better off will save it.

frankly, $600 is still a pittance to anyone making more than 30k a year. it’ll buy you a couple months of beer, some new shoes and pants, just crap.

by funneling money to the poor, to people who have low or no income tax liability, you’re achieving two things. wealth transfer from the middle class to the rich and stimulus to the consumer economy. the stimulus part is obvious, the poor will mostly spend it on consumer goods and help prop sales. the funneling is the tricky part; the upper 80% pay for the lower 50% to go shopping. the money flows through the hands of the lower 50 and into the hands of the top 40 who own and sell crap. the working class get screwed, the middle service providers get screwed, the lower class get garbage and the upper class get their money back and then some.

[Anonymous]

How handy to be able to split hairs and separate poverty into convenient “qualifying” categories and shrug it off as an answer. This is part of the reason the problem exists. Is there much difference between a family that earned a taxable income last year of $1000 and one that didn’t?

Do you think that you’re doing your part by yelling out your car window “get a job!!” to the homeless on the side of the road?

This rebate squander of tax dollars truly is a meaningless and mindless gesture in that it does nothing more than to put more money into the cash registers of those who hardly need it. In that sense the rebate is nothing more than just another kick in the face to the poor. A theatrical display.

If it were really well intended, that money would be better spent on preventative programs, new, or existing.

[Anonymous]

How handy to be able to split hairs and separate poverty into convenient “qualifying” categories and shrug it off as an answer. This is part of the reason the problem exists. Is there much difference between a family that earned a taxable income last year of $1000 and one that didn’t?

Do you think that you’re doing your part by yelling out your car window “get a job!!” to the homeless on the side of the road?

This rebate squander of tax dollars truly is a meaningless and mindless gesture in that it does nothing more than to put more money into the cash registers of those who hardly need it. In that sense the rebate is nothing more than just another kick in the face to the poor. A theatrical display.

If it were really well intended, that money would be better spent on preventative programs, new, or existing.

[Anonymous]

How handy to be able to split hairs and separate poverty into convenient “qualifying” categories and shrug it off as an answer. This is part of the reason the problem exists. Is there much difference between a family that earned a taxable income last year of $1000 and one that didn’t?

Do you think that you’re doing your part by yelling out your car window “get a job!!” to the homeless on the side of the road?

This rebate squander of tax dollars truly is a meaningless and mindless gesture in that it does nothing more than to put more money into the cash registers of those who hardly need it. In that sense the rebate is nothing more than just another kick in the face to the poor. A theatrical display.

If it were really well intended, that money would be better spent on preventative programs, new, or existing.

[Anonymous]

How handy to be able to split hairs and separate poverty into convenient “qualifying” categories and shrug it off as an answer. This is part of the reason the problem exists. Is there much difference between a family that earned a taxable income last year of $1000 and one that didn’t?

Do you think that you’re doing your part by yelling out your car window “get a job!!” to the homeless on the side of the road?

This rebate squander of tax dollars truly is a meaningless and mindless gesture in that it does nothing more than to put more money into the cash registers of those who hardly need it. In that sense the rebate is nothing more than just another kick in the face to the poor. A theatrical display.

If it were really well intended, that money would be better spent on preventative programs, new, or existing.

[Anonymous]

How handy to be able to split hairs and separate poverty into convenient “qualifying” categories and shrug it off as an answer. This is part of the reason the problem exists. Is there much difference between a family that earned a taxable income last year of $1000 and one that didn’t?

Do you think that you’re doing your part by yelling out your car window “get a job!!” to the homeless on the side of the road?

This rebate squander of tax dollars truly is a meaningless and mindless gesture in that it does nothing more than to put more money into the cash registers of those who hardly need it. In that sense the rebate is nothing more than just another kick in the face to the poor. A theatrical display.

If it were really well intended, that money would be better spent on preventative programs, new, or existing.

[Coronita]

Duh, because they weren't able to "put in".

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the "burden" of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don't know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they're doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your "burden" for theirs, you wouldn't last a week!

 

fosub,

I think the premise here though is that this definition of "low income" rebate check is different from the "low income" you describe. You're talking about "low income" people who for practical purposes don't even pay taxes.

 

This rebate program is giving to people that I would argue was arbitrarily set at $65k/$150k individual/family. Granted $65k income and $150k household income isn't considered "rich", at the same time I don't consider this to be "low income". I think the original poster meant just that. This is a pretty arbitrary rebate. In fact, it was a rebate that was meant to be given to the "middle class" so that they would spend to oblivion. And most americans probably will. 

I don't qualify for this rebate. I'm frankly not pissed that I don't get one. I just think that $150billion the government is giving out would have been better well spent if used for a purpose. For example, education, infrastructure, etc. What's worse, is this government doesn't have the $150billion.

And worse most of it will end up in the pockets our or overseas contituents that sell us all the  stuff consumers buy.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Duh, because they weren't able to "put in".

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the "burden" of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don't know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they're doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your "burden" for theirs, you wouldn't last a week!

 

fosub,

I think the premise here though is that this definition of "low income" rebate check is different from the "low income" you describe. You're talking about "low income" people who for practical purposes don't even pay taxes.

 

This rebate program is giving to people that I would argue was arbitrarily set at $65k/$150k individual/family. Granted $65k income and $150k household income isn't considered "rich", at the same time I don't consider this to be "low income". I think the original poster meant just that. This is a pretty arbitrary rebate. In fact, it was a rebate that was meant to be given to the "middle class" so that they would spend to oblivion. And most americans probably will. 

I don't qualify for this rebate. I'm frankly not pissed that I don't get one. I just think that $150billion the government is giving out would have been better well spent if used for a purpose. For example, education, infrastructure, etc. What's worse, is this government doesn't have the $150billion.

And worse most of it will end up in the pockets our or overseas contituents that sell us all the  stuff consumers buy.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Duh, because they weren't able to "put in".

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the "burden" of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don't know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they're doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your "burden" for theirs, you wouldn't last a week!

 

fosub,

I think the premise here though is that this definition of "low income" rebate check is different from the "low income" you describe. You're talking about "low income" people who for practical purposes don't even pay taxes.

 

This rebate program is giving to people that I would argue was arbitrarily set at $65k/$150k individual/family. Granted $65k income and $150k household income isn't considered "rich", at the same time I don't consider this to be "low income". I think the original poster meant just that. This is a pretty arbitrary rebate. In fact, it was a rebate that was meant to be given to the "middle class" so that they would spend to oblivion. And most americans probably will. 

I don't qualify for this rebate. I'm frankly not pissed that I don't get one. I just think that $150billion the government is giving out would have been better well spent if used for a purpose. For example, education, infrastructure, etc. What's worse, is this government doesn't have the $150billion.

And worse most of it will end up in the pockets our or overseas contituents that sell us all the  stuff consumers buy.

 

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[Coronita]

Duh, because they weren't able to "put in".

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the "burden" of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don't know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they're doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your "burden" for theirs, you wouldn't last a week!

 

fosub,

I think the premise here though is that this definition of "low income" rebate check is different from the "low income" you describe. You're talking about "low income" people who for practical purposes don't even pay taxes.

 

This rebate program is giving to people that I would argue was arbitrarily set at $65k/$150k individual/family. Granted $65k income and $150k household income isn't considered "rich", at the same time I don't consider this to be "low income". I think the original poster meant just that. This is a pretty arbitrary rebate. In fact, it was a rebate that was meant to be given to the "middle class" so that they would spend to oblivion. And most americans probably will. 

I don't qualify for this rebate. I'm frankly not pissed that I don't get one. I just think that $150billion the government is giving out would have been better well spent if used for a purpose. For example, education, infrastructure, etc. What's worse, is this government doesn't have the $150billion.

And worse most of it will end up in the pockets our or overseas contituents that sell us all the  stuff consumers buy.

 

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[Anonymous]

Duh, because they weren’t able to “put in”.

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the “burden” of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don’t know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they’re doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your “burden” for theirs, you wouldn’t last a week!

[Anonymous]

Duh, because they weren’t able to “put in”.

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the “burden” of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don’t know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they’re doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your “burden” for theirs, you wouldn’t last a week!

[Anonymous]

Duh, because they weren’t able to “put in”.

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the “burden” of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don’t know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they’re doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your “burden” for theirs, you wouldn’t last a week!

[Anonymous]

Duh, because they weren’t able to “put in”.

Income taxes for working people are mandatory, not voluntary.

Believe it or not, most low income persons would rather be paying taxes. What does that say for high income fetchers who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes?

Generally, low income persons are not in that position because they chose to be. Typically, they are victims of a terrible social and educational system, artfully designed by, guess who?

There has been much mention of the “burden” of taxes. I think that most of those who speak this word don’t know the meaning of the word. High income is certainly not a burden and if its reduction by the final amount of taxes such fetchers usually pay somehow deprives them of food and shelter and medical services, then they’re doing something wrong.

Low income persons carry a true burden for themselves and their children and they are kept powerless to do anything about it.

Try giving up your “burden” for theirs, you wouldn’t last a week!

[Anonymous]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.

[Anonymous]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.

[Anonymous]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.

[Anonymous]

>>Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

If you have a good answer to that question, I’d like to hear it.

[GoUSC]

Wow this sure is a sign of the times. Since when is being financially responsible a bad thing? It amazes me, I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.

Sad where we have come.

[paramount]

“I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.”

Aren’t you special…

[paramount]

“I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.”

Aren’t you special…

[paramount]

“I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.”

Aren’t you special…

[paramount]

“I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.”

Aren’t you special…

[paramount]

“I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.”

Aren’t you special…

[Anonymous]

You must be my brother, Hank. Good to see you’re still looking out for me. Could I borrow a few bucks, I found this cool toy….?

[Anonymous]

You must be my brother, Hank. Good to see you’re still looking out for me. Could I borrow a few bucks, I found this cool toy….?

[Anonymous]

You must be my brother, Hank. Good to see you’re still looking out for me. Could I borrow a few bucks, I found this cool toy….?

[Anonymous]

You must be my brother, Hank. Good to see you’re still looking out for me. Could I borrow a few bucks, I found this cool toy….?

[Anonymous]

You must be my brother, Hank. Good to see you’re still looking out for me. Could I borrow a few bucks, I found this cool toy….?

[GoUSC]

Wow this sure is a sign of the times. Since when is being financially responsible a bad thing? It amazes me, I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.

Sad where we have come.

[GoUSC]

Wow this sure is a sign of the times. Since when is being financially responsible a bad thing? It amazes me, I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.

Sad where we have come.

[GoUSC]

Wow this sure is a sign of the times. Since when is being financially responsible a bad thing? It amazes me, I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.

Sad where we have come.

[GoUSC]

Wow this sure is a sign of the times. Since when is being financially responsible a bad thing? It amazes me, I have a family member that makes a lot less than me. I find myself being much more careful about what I spend money on then him when he should be the one counting his pennies.

Sad where we have come.

[noone]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

I hope you don’t live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? “Now don’t tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I’m paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back.”

[noone]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

I hope you don’t live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? “Now don’t tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I’m paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back.”

[noone]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

I hope you don’t live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? “Now don’t tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I’m paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back.”

[noone]

Yes this rebate plan is a bad idea, but the tone of this thread is really sad.

Waah, poor people are so lucky! They get all the breaks!

Waah, why should they get anything, they didn’t put in!

I hope you don’t live like this in real life. Are you those people who haggle over the check when you go out to lunch? “Now don’t tip too much, 10% is plenty. And I only had water to drink, so I’m paying $2 less than everyone else. And make sure I get my 13 cents change back.”

[CBad]

Exactly. Doesn’t the bottom 20% only contribute to about .2% of the income tax burden overall?

[CBad]

Exactly. Doesn’t the bottom 20% only contribute to about .2% of the income tax burden overall?

[CBad]

Exactly. Doesn’t the bottom 20% only contribute to about .2% of the income tax burden overall?

[CBad]

Exactly. Doesn’t the bottom 20% only contribute to about .2% of the income tax burden overall?

[surveyor]

Considering the bottom 20% pays very little to no taxes, the “tax rebate” to that 20% is actually free money.

So, yes, that is in fact “robin hood”.

[surveyor]

Considering the bottom 20% pays very little to no taxes, the “tax rebate” to that 20% is actually free money.

So, yes, that is in fact “robin hood”.

[surveyor]

Considering the bottom 20% pays very little to no taxes, the “tax rebate” to that 20% is actually free money.

So, yes, that is in fact “robin hood”.

[surveyor]

Considering the bottom 20% pays very little to no taxes, the “tax rebate” to that 20% is actually free money.

So, yes, that is in fact “robin hood”.

[greensd]

Look here:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=1741&DocTypeID=2

The top 20% will get 27.1% of the stimulus money, while the bottom 20% gets only 6.5%. That’s “socialism”? That’s “robin hood”? Oh, how the wealthy suffer in this country! They always get the short end of the stick. It’s almost enough to make you quit your six figure job and go on welfare, right?

[greensd]

Look here:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=1741&DocTypeID=2

The top 20% will get 27.1% of the stimulus money, while the bottom 20% gets only 6.5%. That’s “socialism”? That’s “robin hood”? Oh, how the wealthy suffer in this country! They always get the short end of the stick. It’s almost enough to make you quit your six figure job and go on welfare, right?

[greensd]

Look here:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=1741&DocTypeID=2

The top 20% will get 27.1% of the stimulus money, while the bottom 20% gets only 6.5%. That’s “socialism”? That’s “robin hood”? Oh, how the wealthy suffer in this country! They always get the short end of the stick. It’s almost enough to make you quit your six figure job and go on welfare, right?

[greensd]

Look here:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=1741&DocTypeID=2

The top 20% will get 27.1% of the stimulus money, while the bottom 20% gets only 6.5%. That’s “socialism”? That’s “robin hood”? Oh, how the wealthy suffer in this country! They always get the short end of the stick. It’s almost enough to make you quit your six figure job and go on welfare, right?

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