Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=outtamojo]

Sad yes. Imo anytime someone spouts “make America great AGAIN” what they really mean is America was great(er) when ethnic minorities and women could be discriminated against with no recourse.[/quote]

True. Same goes for code like “take our country back”,… pretty much anything that means going back in time.

Some people have talked in code for a long time… This is just the cocks coming home to roost.

Now that I think of it, Trump’s cries “get ’em out” and “bye bye” at his rallies mean more than getting rid of protesters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsp2T61SjdI

What Are Trump Fans Really ‘Afraid’ to Say?

[joec]

The reason for Trump’s support has a lot to do with the fact, I feel that a lot of ‘white’ americans actually don’t like any immigrants…

We have met some of these people and there is a reason that a lot of people has LEFT California for places like Colorado or other states with less immigrants.

It’s just not the America they like to live in or be a part of.

As an immigrant, I’d honestly say that I don’t care for much immigrants either…either legal or illegal…even though we were the legal kind many years ago.

It’s great for corporations to have cheaper labor and all that, but if you a regular wage slave doing any job (even higher skilled tech work), having a ton more people wanting to do that job or ANY job isn’t going to help your situation. Wages have and will go down and has already for a lot of tech work…or has already been outsourced outside the country.

You have people here who feel that you just need to keep up and all that, and that’s true to a point, but most work can be taught/learned I feel (in tech) and at the end of the day, no matter the skill, if tens of thousands of people do the same work as you, it’ll affect your job security and pay…simple as that (supply/demand).

Also, this is critical, as you get older, good luck keeping up with kids and a spouse…

In my 20s, I worked non-stop keeping/up getting ahead in tech, but after a bit, your body and simple age discrimination and if you have family (see this already from people I hear from), you will lose out since you can’t work as much as the younger and the immigrant.

[ltsddd]

It’ll be interesting to see how the rhetoric from trump will affect the trump brand. I don’t think we’re going to see a trump tower in mexico, china, japan, etc.. going up anytime soon. trump is a savvy businessman, I wonder if he had thought it – alienating a few billion folks for something that he’s most likely won’t be able to get – through before he ran.

[spdrun]

Interestingly, no one in Brasil appears to care about his rhetoric, but maybe that’s because they consider themselves “better” than other Latin Americans 🙂

[no_such_reality]

I don’t think any of them will care anywhere. Those in power and with money hear Trump pretty clearly. He may say Muslim, Hispanic or any other dterm but I suspect they hear the poor, politically weak and really, the 99%.

You’re just a loser to him. Cattle to be farmed.

[NotCranky]

What is social justice a code for?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=joec]The reason for Trump’s support has a lot to do with the fact, I feel that a lot of ‘white’ americans actually don’t like any immigrants…

We have met some of these people and there is a reason that a lot of people has LEFT California for places like Colorado or other states with less immigrants.

It’s just not the America they like to live in or be a part of.

As an immigrant, I’d honestly say that I don’t care for much immigrants either…either legal or illegal…even though we were the legal kind many years ago.[/quote]

I hear that a lot too. It’s been like that for decades in California. It’s actually a sucky way of being, feeling bitter, and under siege.

It’s all about perspective, who you are and what you want to be.

I really like Justin Trudeau and what he’s doing in Canada. He has a very positive, forward looking message. He supports globalization, trade, and he’s a liberal.

Here’s what he said yesterday at the Canada-US friendship meeting:

The challenges that face us as citizens of our countries and citizens of the world is to realize that the interconnectedness of this world means that no one can pretend that we’re in a silo anymore. The biggest challenge that we face in a world of globalization, of migration, of refugees, of people traveling for work, for play, for discovery, is that identity is now much more free-flowing than it ever was. And in finding out where you belong it’s much more important to figure out your values, and the values you share with your neighbors than looking at histories and biographies, religions, or language.
If we are going to be successful in the coming years, the entire world needs this continent to be it’s very best, to be at its most generous, to be at its wisest, to be at its most innovative, to learn to lean on each other, to learn to draw from the populations that come from every corner of the planet to build a better life for themselves and their future, and to know that there is much to be optimistic about in this future that walk together on.

The Canadian opportunity:

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
People keep rationalizing all this ethnic backlash is not Trump’s fault because he isn’t a direct advocate of it. That’s not true. He intentionally stirs the pot to incite racial and cultural tensions. Its no different than someone trying to invite a riot. And we have laws against that too.

I might not be the direct target of Trump’s backlash and his followers, as I am not Latino nor Muslim. But how does the saying go? When the came for the Jews, you did nothing. When the came for the Japs, you did nothing. When the came for the blacks, you did nothing. Now they are coming for you. Do you expect anyone to do anything for you?[/quote]

So, so true.

[spdrun]

Also, who’s to say that you (or your kids) won’t fall in love with a Muslim or Latino and marry them? You never know who your family will be in the future.

[FlyerInHi]

I’m in love with Canada. I think I need to move.
They embrace diversity, immigration, technology, trade, and an open progressive world. Such a contrast to what we’ve become.

And guess who is the defense minister of Canada? There’s be a pitchfork or armed revolt if we had someone like that here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_National_Defence_(Canada)

[spdrun]

They’re also heavily based on resource extraction — their economy is less diverse than the US. Dirty little secret.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]They’re also heavily based on resource extraction — their economy is less diverse than the US. Dirty little secret.[/quote]

Yes, but the new leadership is embracing a green platform. And even oil producers in Alberta (the TX of Canada) have agreed to a carbon tax.

They are embracing the future, whereas, it seems, we want to go to back to the past.

[spdrun]

Fact is that NOW, their economy is tied to oil/mineral prices. What happens in 10-15 years is anyone’s good guess.

[FlyerInHi]

Yeah, Canada’s economy is being hit by low oil and commodity prices, their currency is way down, and yet, the voters showed courage and elected a progressive, forward looking leader.

In contrast, America’s economy is the best performing large economy in the developed world, and yet our voters feel insecure and want to erect walls. Are we cry babies or what?

[svelte]

Do you two ever stay on topic?

You led a 30 post hi-jack discussing SF and LEDs on the “Predictions for 2016 Presidential Election” thread and now you’re at 5 posts and counting on Canada in the “Reasons I cannot vote for Trump” thread.

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