Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

[Coronita]

Admittedly, I’m not exactly pro-Hillary myself. But for me, it’s a matter of voting for anyone or anything that gives the greatest guarantee of Trump not being president.

My personal opinion is that Hillary probably hasn’t been completely forthright on things. That’s my opinion, whether it’s rational or not. That said, it’s also just my opinion that some of these issues are trivial in relation to a very dangerous Trump getting really close to the highest elected office. I do think she would be competent to do the job, while as nothing that Trump has demonstrated leads me to believe he is qualified, in as much as many of his followers are qualified to do the jobs that they complain some of us are “stealing” (zing!)

For me this isn’t an anti-GOP, it’s anti-Trump. I’m more mad at the GOP for potentially screwing up the down ticket, because again, in as much as I wouldn’t like to see a GOP dominated government, I really don’t want to see a Democrat dominated government.

The GOP is pretty screwed up right now. You have the alt-right taking over and creating a really huge problem. I see a lot of Republicans trying to do the right thing and at the same time some of them just being a spineless prick that’s only now abandoning Trump not out of principle but because they don’t think he’s going to win and will cause an issue for their own survival.

This will probably be the most painful lesson the GOP experiences this year. For me, I am hopeful that we will have an alt-right GOP go off to the far right with their own party or take over the GOP label, and something more rational and moderate emerges from this, whether it’s with the GOP label or with a completely different label. And with the turn of events, I more hopeful this will happen sooner versus later. There are plenty of people that I believe that are left in this country that really don’t want to subscribe to either end of the extreme, and yet in certain times we’re forced to pick between two extremes because there are no viable alternatives at the national level.

I’d really like us to get back to times when the left would lean toward being more moderate and the right wouldn’t be filled with wack jobs out in space, and we have a more independents. We’re so far away from this right now, in that politics swings so far left and so far right, because whenever one side wins, it seems the entire goal is to try to stick it to the other party. And so long as this happens, we’ll be bouncing around between all this internal squabbling while the rest of the world laughs and passes us…again…

[Anonymous]

[quote=flu]I’d really like us to get back to times when the left would lean toward being more moderate and the right wouldn’t be filled with wack jobs out in space, and we have a more independents.[/quote]

The left is to the left, by definition.

The Democratic party in America 2016 is moderate. It’s arguable that some some of the prominent party leaders are even center right.

The Republican party is filled with wack jobs. The right wing media tells you that is what patriotism looks like.

The rest of the MSM is ironically so concerned with appearing neutral that they present the middle as being between the two major parties. It’s not. The US in general is to the right on the political spectrum: we still have abortion debates, do not have national healthcare, and are constantly at war.

If you want a moderate at the federal level, the Democratic candidate is likely to be the best fit. It certainly is the case in the current presidential election.

[scaredyclassic]

“There is nothing on this earth sexier, believe me, gentlemen, than a woman you have to salute in the morning. Promote ’em all, I say, because this is true – if you haven’t gotten a blow-job from a superior officer, well, you’re just letting the best in life pass you by. ‘Course, my problem is, I’m a colonel, so I guess I’ll just have to keep taking cold showers until they elect some gal president.”

col jessup, A FEW GOOD MEN

[no_such_reality]

I don’t know flu, I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher and the English journalist make a great point.

Countries have been bizarrely voting to “self harm”, he pointed to Brexit and said it’ll screw up the English for ages but made the point that the people lied to the pollsters. He pointed to Colombia and said basically, holy shit, they had a cease fire with FARC on a 50 year war, the people lied to pollsters and then voted to reject the peace deal.

He, like I previously said, people are lying about not voting for Trump. People should get ready.

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of red-state women that will vote for Hillary and never tell the pollsters, or their husbands, or their bible study group.

[flu]

[quote=no_such_reality]I don’t know flu, I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher and the English journalist make a great point.

Countries have been bizarrely voting to “self harm”, he pointed to Brexit and said it’ll screw up the English for ages but made the point that the people lied to the pollsters. He pointed to Colombia and said basically, holy shit, they had a cease fire with FARC on a 50 year war, the people lied to pollsters and then voted to reject the peace deal.

He, like I previously said, people are lying about not voting for Trump. People should get ready.[/quote]

You mean like the UK did recently? Gotta love that tanking British pound. Pretty cheap to go vacation there.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=harvey][quote=flu]I’d really like us to get back to times when the left would lean toward being more moderate and the right wouldn’t be filled with wack jobs out in space, and we have a more independents.[/quote]

The left is to the left, by definition.

The Democratic party in America 2016 is moderate. It’s arguable that some some of the prominent party leaders are even center right.

The Republican party is filled with wack jobs. The right wing media tells you that is what patriotism looks like.

The rest of the MSM is ironically so concerned with appearing neutral that they present the middle as being between the two major parties. It’s not. The US in general is to the right on the political spectrum: we still have abortion debates, do not have national healthcare, and are constantly at war.

If you want a moderate at the federal level, the Democratic candidate is likely to be the best fit. It certainly is the case in the current presidential election.[/quote]

Harvey is correct. People who want to go back in time should study some history.

Compared to the 1970s or 1980s, or before, democrats have moved right and Republicans have gone extreme right.

Bill Clinton is the one who moved the Democratic Party to the right. If anything, Republicans should thank him.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=harvey]There are a lot of red-state women that will vote for Hillary and never tell the pollsters, or their husbands, or their bible study group.[/quote]

I understand the power dynamics. But that seems cowardly. Voting for Hilary but then giving themselves to their Trump supporter husbands.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]”There is nothing on this earth sexier, believe me, gentlemen, than a woman you have to salute in the morning. Promote ’em all, I say, because this is true – if you haven’t gotten a blow-job from a superior officer, well, you’re just letting the best in life pass you by. ‘Course, my problem is, I’m a colonel, so I guess I’ll just have to keep taking cold showers until they elect some gal president.”

col jessup, A FEW GOOD MEN[/quote]

I love it.

But aren’t you worried about our loss of power and status? I don’t care, but people do. I’m kinda lazy and I don’t mind a woman taking care of me and having her way. But power should come with commensurate money.

[all]

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Duck, Hillary, duck.

[FlyerInHi]

Wow, the power of women. Looks like Billy Bush is out of NBC.

[an]

[quote=flu]AN’s actually a moderate. Libertarian actually. He’s entitled to his opinion. Lot’s of people don’t like Hillary, and it doesn’t mean they are necessarily pro Trump BTW.[/quote]Thanks for the defense. But don’t worry about it. I’m not trying to convince them or get them to be my friends, so it doesn’t really matter who they assume I’m align. I just find it hilarious that since I think she’s a liar that automatically, I’m a nut job Trump supporter. I feel like this is exactly what’s wrong w/ our politic right now.

But after listening to KPBS during lunch, I feel like there’s a probability that Democrat will take the house and senate as well. How do you feel flu, if Democrats take control of both and the presidency again? At this rate, I feel like if it does happen this year, it’s likely it’ll stay that way for a long while, since the Republican brand is now tainted by Trump and people will use Trump as a litmus test.

[njtosd]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]

am i offended by lbj whipping out his cock? no. not really.
its just the same old story. powerful men exercising power.

hillary 2016!!![/quote]

Just for the record – being a flasher/ public indecency is not an exercise of power. It is a psychiatric problem and/or a crime. The fact that he wasn’t arrested may have been a result of his power – but not the act.

I do agree with you that anyone who would want to be President, with all it entails, is crazy.[/quote]

whipping it out is normal in some fratlike contexts. not a psych problem necessarily. lbj was not nuts because he pointed “jumbo” at a,reporter as an answer to the question, “why are we in vietnam”.

he was making a point. seems kind of wacky, but powerful men do crazy shit to assert dominance over others.[/quote]

Or do crazy men become powerful because they don’t engage in the reality checks that other people do? For example, Winston Churchill.

[quote=scaredyclassic]killing the questioner in an earlier time mightve bern a normal response as well.

what seems crazy shifts over time. [/quote]

I agree, but it was not in any way normal or acceptable to expose yourself to reporters during LBJs time.

[quote=scaredyclassic]we need younger candidates[/quote]

Maybe. We need better candidates – and in case it needs to be mentioned, ones who don’t like fondling themselves in public.

[FlyerInHi]

Not liking Hillary is not the same as not trusting her for some rational reasons.

And drinking coolaid does make one develop emotional, asymmetrical judgment.

[flu]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]AN’s actually a moderate. Libertarian actually. He’s entitled to his opinion. Lot’s of people don’t like Hillary, and it doesn’t mean they are necessarily pro Trump BTW.[/quote]Thanks for the defense. But don’t worry about it. I’m not trying to convince them or get them to be my friends, so it doesn’t really matter who they assume I’m align. I just find it hilarious that since I think she’s a liar that automatically, I’m a nut job Trump supporter. I feel like this is exactly what’s wrong w/ our politic right now.

But after listening to KPBS during lunch, I feel like there’s a probability that Democrat will take the house and senate as well. How do you feel flu, if Democrats take control of both and the presidency again? At this rate, I feel like if it does happen this year, it’s likely it’ll stay that way for a long while, since the Republican brand is now tainted by Trump and people will use Trump as a litmus test.[/quote]

Not ideal. But then again, we have to look at it this way, a horrendous trump would undermine a lot of other social progress that has been made this far. I’m not looking forward to more of this for example….

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/10/technology/thisis2016-michael-luo-nytimes/

Back in more youthful days when I didn’t have a family to think about, there were several times someone said that the exact same thing to me “go back to China”… then again, back in my more reckless days, I would shout back “go back to Europe and find a job so you can stop blaming me because you don’t have one”, reciprocating one stereotype with another.

Looking back, I am surprised i didn’t get my ass kicked. Lol.

Saving on taxes won’t matter if you end up being a minority that is targeted, and given China’s increasing economic clout, it will end up causing a lot of friction with the trump like camps.

10 bucks says that woman the article was about was a trump supporter.

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