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July 13, 2016 at 10:03 AM #799584July 13, 2016 at 10:13 AM #799585
FlyerInHi
GuestI’m taking a victory lap because I always knew it to be true.
Trump supporters tend to be resistant to change. They take offense to many little changes they perceive as elitist and out of their realm. They perceive sushi, sriracha sauce, padthai as unamerican and elitist. But they embrace burritos and quesadillas, as long as people don’t speak Spanish around them.For Whites Sensing Decline, Donald Trump Unleashes Words of Resistance
July 14, 2016 at 8:59 AM #799599livinincali
ParticipantLooks like we might be electing the most hated president ever. Based on this recent pool only about 1/4ths of American’s are going to be happy with whomever gets elected. About 15% of each candidates support is a lesser of 2 evils vote. How did we end up with such a crappy choice?
July 14, 2016 at 9:20 AM #799600no_such_reality
ParticipantI can’t believe there’s not a pokestop on piggingtons.
July 14, 2016 at 11:26 AM #799604phaster
Participant[quote=livinincali]Looks like we might be electing the most hated president ever. Based on this recent pool only about 1/4ths of American’s are going to be happy with whomever gets elected. About 15% of each candidates support is a lesser of 2 evils vote. How did we end up with such a crappy choice?
reading the article…
Fifty-six percent of Americans said they would feel afraid and 48 percent say they’d feel regret if Trump wins the White House. Just 22 percent said they’d be proud and 26 percent excited should America pick Trump on Election Day.
Clinton doesn’t fare much better: If she’s elected president, 48 percent say they would be afraid and 46 percent say they would feel regretful. Only 27 percent of Americans would be proud of that choice, and 26 percent would be excited at her election.
You Wanna See (ponder) Something Really Scary?
given the presumptive nominees are not liked by wide swaths of the voting public and w/ all the senseless violence (i.e. dallas, sandy hook elementary, etc.) seems its not too far off a work of fiction that both individuals are taken out by terrorist organization(s) or foreign actors that seek to distract the USA from influencing politics in other parts of the world… AND/OR want to puts the USA is into an economic tail spin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinations_in_fiction
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/
whoever the second(s) in line are, hope that they are smarter and better respected than the current presumptive nominees of both parties!
July 14, 2016 at 1:29 PM #799619Guest[quote=livinincali]Looks like we might be electing the most hated president ever. Based on this recent pool only about 1/4ths of American’s are going to be happy with whomever gets elected. About 15% of each candidates support is a lesser of 2 evils vote. How did we end up with such a crappy choice?
Just another attempt by the press to be balanced. The notion that two sides are equal and opposite is just bunk and lazy thinking. We will see in November.
Btw, does it not bother you Trump hasn’t released his tax returns?
July 15, 2016 at 8:25 AM #799639
svelteParticipantPersonally i think trumps only chance was to select a female of minority vp. Since he didnt do that, his chances of success have diminished greatly.
And it reinforces the perception that he is prejudiced.
July 15, 2016 at 1:23 PM #799659Guestspdrun, how do you feel about your Chris Christie? He was such as kiss-ass to Trump and he got snubbed.
Did anyone read the Republican platform? So retrograde.
edit: I guess the GOP won’t be updating their website with the 2016 platform until after the convention.
July 15, 2016 at 1:36 PM #799660spdrun
ParticipantI no longer live in NJ, but I was kind of hoping he’d be exiled to DC 🙂
July 16, 2016 at 4:59 PM #799668
CoronitaParticipantLol… Pence is just about as far right as any old school republican lol…..
But he also supported the ACA and expanded the medicaid program in Indiana.
Lol….
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As Bernie Sanders explained in so many words when he endorsed Hillary Clinton this week, Trump’s racism obscures the fact that much of his agenda—lower taxes, less environmental, and financial regulation, and so on—is familiar conservative sop for the GOP donor class. But with the partial exception of his enforcement-only views about immigration reform, Pence doesn’t stand for any of the things Trump promises to change about the Republican Party. To the contrary, his record and Trump’s agenda contradict one another in critical ways.Consider:
Trump opposes cuts or changes to retirement programs like Social Security and Medicare; Pence backed radical reforms to those programs, and used to criticize President George W. Bush’s Social Security privatization plan because it wasn’t radical enough.
Pence supports the trade agreements Trump deplores.
Pence supported the war in Iraq. Whatever Trump once thought of that endeavor, he now criticizes Republicans who beat the drum for it in the most withering terms.
Pence is for most purposes a doctrinaire social conservative, business conservative, and neoconservative. He opens the Trump campaign up, in other words, to the kind of attacks that doomed the Romney campaign: war on women; war on the working class; war on everyone. His greatest defenses against these criticisms are that as Indiana governor he worked with the Obama administration to expand his state’s Medicaid program under the Affordable Care Act; and ultimately turned against legislation that would have allowed Indiana business owners to discriminate against LGBT people. But these are ultimately moderate, bread-and-butter-style decisions Pence won’t want to draw attention to.
The incompatibilities don’t end there. As much as they are ideological misfits, they’re also temperamental and geographic misfits.
Pence is a bad talker. He will have to explain his deviations from Trumpism, from opposing Trump’s proposed ban on Muslim travel, to supporting the Trans Pacific Partnership, to answering for any new Trump controversy in the weeks and months ahead, and he will do badly at it. By the same token, he will do a poor job explaining his views on everything from abortion to the health impact of smoking. And when it’s all over, it’s not even clear Pence can help Trump in Indiana—a state Hillary Clinton doesn’t need to win anyway—because his popularity is under water there.
Because he is neither erratic nor corrupt—because he doesn’t amplify Trump’s worst qualities—Pence is being celebrated as a sober and steadying force for Trumpland. Someone who might even make it easier to treat the major party campaigns as equivalents. But this is the soft bigotry of low expectations.[/quote]
July 18, 2016 at 1:33 AM #799674njtosd
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I’m taking a victory lap because I always knew it to be true.
Trump supporters tend to be resistant to change. They take offense to many little changes they perceive as elitist and out of their realm. They perceive sushi, sriracha sauce, padthai as unamerican and elitist. But they embrace burritos and quesadillas, as long as people don’t speak Spanish around them.For Whites Sensing Decline, Donald Trump Unleashes Words of Resistance
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/us/politics/donald-trump-white-identity.html%5B/quote%5DBrian, your sweeping, unsupported and somewhat childish generalizations are amusing, but the question is: do you understand how ridiculous they sound?
July 18, 2016 at 10:37 AM #799681Guestnjtosd, I was trying to be humorous. I guess I shouldn’t take up writing comedy.
I think that our identity politics are causing real anger. As reflected by Trump, working class whites, like blacks before but to a greater extent, are feeling disrespected. They feel their lifestyles are under assault from new things from around the globe. From media to pop culture to marketing, middle class white culture is no longer first of mind. Even European immigrants no longer want to assimilate. Trump supporters want their country back.
McDonald’s has a sriracha burger. When I told a guy from fly over country, he was like “what is the fvck is that?” I didn’t say it but I was thinking “where have you been for the last 30 years?”
August 3, 2016 at 9:41 AM #800183GuestI just observed a most masterful political move.
Just about when more and more Republicans are about to repudiate Trump, yesterday, Obama told Republicans to denounce Trump. Now they can’t do it because that would mean following Obama. He made the first move and blocked them
August 3, 2016 at 2:32 PM #800195zk
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I just observed a most masterful political move.
Just about when more and more Republicans are about to repudiate Trump, yesterday, Obama told Republicans to denounce Trump. Now they can’t do it because that would mean following Obama. He made the first move and blocked them
That move could be to trap other republicans into being dragged down by Trump, as I believe you’re suggesting.
It could also be because he thinks that if enough republicans stop supporting Trump, either he’ll drop out or the republicans will find a way to replace him:
If Trump drops out or otherwise gets replaced, there’s a whole country full of people who have been lamenting their choices, and who might jump at the chance to vote for a Kasich or a Ryan or a Romney. I would guess any of those guys probably beats Clinton right now, and the democrats probably don’t want to take the chance of having to beat somebody besides Trump.
I think it’s kinda funny that the right-wing noise machine has been attacking Clinton for 20+ years (most likely because they knew she’d be running for president one day), and that she’ll win anyway, largely because she’s facing a horrible candidate that the right-wing noise machine inadvertently created. Funny and also beautiful. Poetic, even.
August 3, 2016 at 3:10 PM #800199ParticipantHypothetical scenario: Late October, and it becomes apparent that Trump is going to lose. Do many republican politicians who are still endorsing Trump at that time suddenly jump ship, hoping to save their careers? Calculating that it will sooner or later become the consensus of the vast majority of Americans that Trump truly was a lying, racist, misogynist, fascist, thin-skinned, vengeful, war-loving (his own words) ignoramus who would’ve been an extremely dangerous president, and not wanting to be seen as having blindly supported him?
That would be interesting to watch.
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