Reasons I cannot vote for Trump

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[quote=AN]
Success of a race on average and discrimination against a race are two separate thing. Just because Asian found ways to work around the discrimination, persevere through the discrimination, and achieve financial success does not mean they’re not being discriminated against. It just mean as a group, Asian don’t spend as much energy bitching about it as working with the landscape that’s in front of them, even when there’s discrimination.[/quote]

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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]
Although it might not make make difference for me voting for Hillary in California but I will definitely vote against Duncan Hunter if he run for reelection specifically because he endorsed Trump.[/quote]

I don’t vote in CA anymore…. But does Duncan Hunter represent Mira Mesa?[/quote]He’s a congressman for California US District 52. Here’s the map of District 52: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/California_US_Congressional_District_52_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-1280px-California_US_Congressional_District_52_%28since_2013%29.tif.png

Short answer is yes.

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[quote=AN][quote=njtosd]Flu – Asians are projected to become the wealthiest group in the US in coming years. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/15/mericans-are-transforming-the-face-of-us-wealth.html

When they do, will that mean that discrimination against Asians has stopped?[/quote]
Success of a race on average and discrimination against a race are two separate thing. Just because Asian found ways to work around the discrimination, persevere through the discrimination, and achieve financial success does not mean they’re not being discriminated against. It just mean as a group, Asian don’t spend as much energy bitching about it as working with the landscape that’s in front of them, even when there’s discrimination.[/quote]

Asians succeed IN SPITE OF being discriminated against. I agree that Asians have that amazing patience/tolerance or whatever you want to call it ability to tune all that bs out and just plug along. Heck, even folks that feel they are most discriminated against, would use Asians as a punching bag to show their indignant of being discriminated against (just as chris rock).

[an]

Also, the article said:

[quote]The wealth gap between older and younger Asians is an anomaly, said Haskin. Wealth normally functions the other way around—the older population have higher levels of wealth, for various reasons. Among Asians, however, it is the younger population who are wealthier.[/quote]

It’s only an anomaly if you compare it to other culture. It’s not an anomaly if you understand the Asian culture. It would be an anomaly the other way around. I know many first gen immigrants who came here w/ nothing, worked hard, save as much as they could, and pay for their kids college tuition. So, today, their kids are wealthier than they are, because instead of thinking about “me” and save for “me” first, they plow every dollar they have to ensure their kids will be successful. That’s the Asian culture. Part of the Asian culture is also, once the kids are successful, they will repay their parents and help take care of them when they’re old because they know that they wouldn’t be where they are today if their parents didn’t sacrifice everything for them.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN]Also, the article said:

[quote]The wealth gap between older and younger Asians is an anomaly, said Haskin. Wealth normally functions the other way around—the older population have higher levels of wealth, for various reasons. Among Asians, however, it is the younger population who are wealthier.[/quote]

It’s only an anomaly if you compare it to other culture. It’s not an anomaly if you understand the Asian culture. It would be an anomaly the other way around. I know many first gen immigrants who came here w/ nothing, worked hard, save as much as they could, and pay for their kids college tuition. So, today, their kids are wealthier than they are, because instead of thinking about “me” and save for “me” first, they plow every dollar they have to ensure their kids will be successful. That’s the Asian culture. Part of the Asian culture is also, once the kids are successful, they will repay their parents and help take care of them when they’re old because they know that they wouldn’t be where they are today if their parents didn’t sacrifice everything for them.[/quote]

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[Coronita]

[quote=njtosd]Flu – Asians are projected to become the wealthiest group in the US in coming years. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/15/mericans-are-transforming-the-face-of-us-wealth.html

When they do, will that mean that discrimination against Asians has stopped?[/quote]

No, it just means Asians will have a bigger target on their backs. In fact, giving in to people like trump means that discrimination against Asians will probably get worse.

I don’t buy it one bit for all the Trump voters that say want to end things like affirmative action really mean they want opportunities to be completely based on merit. With UCLA sporting 60%+ admissions for STEMS to Asians and Indians, somehow I think those Trump voters would want to apply quotas.

For some fvckd up reason, a lot of people on his country now can’t stand seeing other people doing well. A lot of people want to feel they are a victim or some social circumstance. Some minorities have often accused white people “holding them back”. I see some Trump loyalists now saying the same thing about how all the Asians and Indians are holding them back. WTF?

People just suck. It’s pretty effed up

[outtamojo]

A little anecdote, close to home for me, coming soon to some of us here:

So my sister-in-law on the East coast goes in to the local doc in a box urgent care. New patient so no medical history so you get interviewed. She disclosed she was a stay at home mom, took care of kids and elderly parents- taking them places and translating for them. (they are Korean). During her exam, male doctor starts talking about Trump and then ranting about immigrants out of the blue and then tells sil her parents should go back to Korea if they can’t speak English.
Did he always speak to his patients like that, or did he become emboldened by the prospect of institutionalized covert racism coming back in favor?
If he had just taken the time to learn about her parents, he would discover how they legally came to the country with nothing and built a mini empire of laundromats and liquor stores. They do speak some English, heavily accented, but they do the best they can. Are they not the embodiment of what was the American dream? And yet the emboldened racist can only see them as foreigners who don’t belong.
Yah, sure, Trump had nothing to do with this and was nowhere near the building so how why was this his fault..

[an]

[quote=outtamojo]A little anecdote, close to home for me, coming soon to some of us here:

So my sister-in-law on the East coast goes in to the local doc in a box urgent care. New patient so no medical history so you get interviewed. She disclosed she was a stay at home mom, took care of kids and elderly parents- taking them places and translating for them. (they are Korean). During her exam, male doctor starts talking about Trump and then ranting about immigrants out of the blue and then tells sil her parents should go back to Korea if they can’t speak English.
Did he always speak to his patients like that, or did he become emboldened by the prospect of institutionalized covert racism coming back in favor?
If he had just taken the time to learn about her parents, he would discover how they legally came to the country with nothing and built a mini empire of laundromats and liquor stores. They do speak some English, heavily accented, but they do the best they can. Are they not the embodiment of what was the American dream? And yet the emboldened racist can only see them as foreigners who don’t belong.
Yah, sure, Trump had nothing to do with this and was nowhere near the building so how why was this his fault..[/quote]
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This is exactly the $hit I’m afraid of that BG and the many Trump supporter fail to see. Just look at what happened to the Japanese not too long ago.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=outtamojo]A little anecdote, close to home for me, coming soon to some of us here:

So my sister-in-law on the East coast goes in to the local doc in a box urgent care. New patient so no medical history so you get interviewed. She disclosed she was a stay at home mom, took care of kids and elderly parents- taking them places and translating for them. (they are Korean). During her exam, male doctor starts talking about Trump and then ranting about immigrants out of the blue and then tells sil her parents should go back to Korea if they can’t speak English.
Did he always speak to his patients like that, or did he become emboldened by the prospect of institutionalized covert racism coming back in favor?
If he had just taken the time to learn about her parents, he would discover how they legally came to the country with nothing and built a mini empire of laundromats and liquor stores. They do speak some English, heavily accented, but they do the best they can. Are they not the embodiment of what was the American dream? And yet the emboldened racist can only see them as foreigners who don’t belong.
Yah, sure, Trump had nothing to do with this and was nowhere near the building so how why was this his fault..[/quote]
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This is exactly the $hit I’m afraid of that BG and the many Trump supporter fail to see. Just look at what happened to the Japanese not too long ago.[/quote]

Lol, I’ve gotten shit like that here just trying to rent out my places. I remember there was one guy that had a shitty credit score that I wasn’t planning to rent to anyway. He came after my first candidate decided to sigb s lease. I told him that someone else before him wanted to rent the place and that hebhad everything already signed. This second guy ended up getting pissed and told me to go back to China, lol.

I guess he would have been even more pissed if I told him the first guy that signed the lease was an H1B. Lol

To be fair, I don’t this sort of racism was any more or less than before Trump. Its probably always existed. Its just now people probably think it is acceptable behavior.

It also usually happens more with older people I think. Hopefully our kids know better.

My kid actually came home and asked if Trump gets elected if we are getting deported, lol. I asked why? And she said everyone school is talking about how Trump hates girls and colored people. Lol. Her friends are pretty mixed, so I am sure that means their parents are talking about it.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=outtamojo]A little anecdote, close to home for me, coming soon to some of us here:

So my sister-in-law on the East coast goes in to the local doc in a box urgent care. New patient so no medical history so you get interviewed. She disclosed she was a stay at home mom, took care of kids and elderly parents- taking them places and translating for them. (they are Korean). During her exam, male doctor starts talking about Trump and then ranting about immigrants out of the blue and then tells sil her parents should go back to Korea if they can’t speak English.
Did he always speak to his patients like that, or did he become emboldened by the prospect of institutionalized covert racism coming back in favor?
If he had just taken the time to learn about her parents, he would discover how they legally came to the country with nothing and built a mini empire of laundromats and liquor stores. They do speak some English, heavily accented, but they do the best they can. Are they not the embodiment of what was the American dream? And yet the emboldened racist can only see them as foreigners who don’t belong.
Yah, sure, Trump had nothing to do with this and was nowhere near the building so how why was this his fault..[/quote]
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This is exactly the $hit I’m afraid of that BG and the many Trump supporter fail to see. Just look at what happened to the Japanese not too long ago.[/quote]

Uhh, AN, if you’re referring to me as a “Trump supporter,” you should be aware that I haven’t made up my mind yet but am leaning towards Cruz (a long shot, I know). I don’t know how many times I have to post this to get it through your thick head(s) but I WANT TO SEE THE ACA REPEALED ASAP!! I think Cruz could get the immediate support for that in Congress. It’s much more important to me than having a “wall.” I’m not seeing anything concrete in Trump’s agenda on how he plans to repeal the ACA (either piecemeal or in its entirety) and I don’t think he’ll be able to get the support of the “establishment” to do so (unless possibly he puts Ben Carson in charge of H&HS).

Also, Trump is leaning towards “universal healthcare” and I feel that may happen if he gets elected and isn’t able to successfully convince Big Insurance to sell portable health insurance policies nationwide (after the Federal and state exchanges are gutted, of course). There are many parts of the US that Big Insurance doesn’t want to have anything to do with unless they are “enterprise” accounts (large employer accounts spreading the risk between younger, healthier workers and the few boomers left in the workforce). Yes, this practice is considered “redlining,” for sure, but there are BIG, spread out “diabetes and heart disease pockets” of this country which shouldn’t be there because most of these diseases are entirely preventable. Big Insurance won’t touch these individual markets with a ten-foot pole if they can legally get away with it. The regional Native American tribes in these markets are trying mightily to educate their members and get their diabetes and other related health issues under control at their tribal-run hospitals and clinics but it is a long, tedious process with a group which is mostly very stuck in their ways.

Also, Big Insurance charges a fortune ($1300 mo++ at age 55) for “ACA-compliant” individual PPO plans for boomers in the Rockies within the states of WY and CO, both on and off the exchanges. This is due to regional hospitals being located 25-100 miles away from many “retirement towns” and often over high, narrow, dangerous passes for ambulances to traverse. Emergency search and rescue personnel are located in almost all the small towns (with or without doctors present in them) but they bill insurance companies for their services as well. Select popular retirement towns have at least one (often necessary) hyperbaric chamber, which bills insurance plans up to $1000 per hour for a patient to sit in them. Often, the nearest “trauma center” is more than 350 miles away (assuming a “life flight” helicopter can get there before the patient dies, wind and weather permitting).

I would love to consider the (rural) rockies or living close to some of my peeps in bible-belt flyover country for “retirement purposes” but (unaffordable and/or nonexistent) health insurance is one of the issues which is keeping me exactly where I am … for now.

I don’t want “universal healthcare” but for me it is probably a better option than the horrifically unfair and corrupt mess we have now (which I predict will go up $200-300 month every year until I reach the age of 65), regardless of where I live.

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]Uhh, AN, if you’re referring to me as a “Trump supporter,” you should be aware that I haven’t made up my mind yet but am leaning towards …[/quote]
You should reread what I posted. I said you and the many Trump supporter. I didn’t say you are a Trump supporter. You, like many Trump supporters think these racism $hit are made up. You just don’t understand.

[an]

[quote=flu]To be fair, I don’t this sort of racism was any more or less than before Trump. Its probably always existed. Its just now people probably think it is acceptable behavior.[/quote]I don’t think Trump is making America more racist. But I do think he make those closet racist to think it’s OK to say it out loud and “make America great again”.

[Essbee]

[quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]
Although it might not make make difference for me voting for Hillary in California but I will definitely vote against Duncan Hunter if he run for reelection specifically because he endorsed Trump.[/quote]

I don’t vote in CA anymore…. But does Duncan Hunter represent Mira Mesa?[/quote]He’s a congressman for California US District 52. Here’s the map of District 52: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/California_US_Congressional_District_52_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-1280px-California_US_Congressional_District_52_%
28since_2013%29.tif.png
Short answer is yes.[/quote]

No, this is wrong. He represents District 50 — more of an East County district.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_50th_congressional_district

Mira Mesa is District 52 — represented by Scott Peters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_52nd_congressional_district

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[quote=Essbee][quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN]
Although it might not make make difference for me voting for Hillary in California but I will definitely vote against Duncan Hunter if he run for reelection specifically because he endorsed Trump.[/quote]

I don’t vote in CA anymore…. But does Duncan Hunter represent Mira Mesa?[/quote]He’s a congressman for California US District 52. Here’s the map of District 52: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/California_US_Congressional_District_52_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-1280px-California_US_Congressional_District_52_%
28since_2013%29.tif.png
Short answer is yes.[/quote]

No, this is wrong. He represents District 50 — more of an East County district.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_50th_congressional_district

Mira Mesa is District 52 — represented by Scott Peters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_52nd_congressional_district%5B/quote%5DMy bad, you’re correct. I missread. He represented District 52 up to 2013 and due to redistricting, he now represent District 50. Too bad I can’t vote against him… Oh well.

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