“The Worst Is Yet to Come”: If You’re Not Petrified, You’re Not Paying Attention”

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Forrest Gump” our way back out. LOL!

My momma always said, Life is like a box of Mortgage Backed Securities…you never know if you’ll get paid back!
[/quote]

Scarlet: Glad you enjoyed that one. I coach football and I use that expression with some of my players (generally the ones that like to turn their brains off during games).

[SD Realtor]

Allan I don’t disagree totally. I agree with you that the achilles heel of china is indeed the purchasing power of the usa consumer. Without us they don’t have enough consumers to fuel the train. In fact the same may be said for the entire world. I am concerned though with regards to the Chinese resource power play, military expansion, etc…

All in all I am much more concerned with our loss of personal freedom then anything else. Soon my government will tell me which health provider to use. Since they are doing that they can tell me what foods to eat or at least tax the hell out of those that they feel are not in my own best interest. I know that most people read this and laugh and I hope in the future I will to. We will also soon have advisory panels telling radio stations that they need to provide more diverse programming… Oh I guess having the freedom not to listen was my choice, not my governments choice. My bad….

It is just so scary watching this entire transformation and nobody seems to care. Those that do are labelled right wing crazies. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never seen such a cowed media as well.

So actually I AM PETRIFIED and I AM PAYING ATTENTION. I guess the things I am petrified about are much different then what everyone else is petrified about.

Sorry for that deviation…

Rt 66 sounds like we are actually more on the same page then not. Yes I made light of daveljs analysis but I do believe to be very rational by the way.

[SD Realtor]

Allan I don’t disagree totally. I agree with you that the achilles heel of china is indeed the purchasing power of the usa consumer. Without us they don’t have enough consumers to fuel the train. In fact the same may be said for the entire world. I am concerned though with regards to the Chinese resource power play, military expansion, etc…

All in all I am much more concerned with our loss of personal freedom then anything else. Soon my government will tell me which health provider to use. Since they are doing that they can tell me what foods to eat or at least tax the hell out of those that they feel are not in my own best interest. I know that most people read this and laugh and I hope in the future I will to. We will also soon have advisory panels telling radio stations that they need to provide more diverse programming… Oh I guess having the freedom not to listen was my choice, not my governments choice. My bad….

It is just so scary watching this entire transformation and nobody seems to care. Those that do are labelled right wing crazies. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never seen such a cowed media as well.

So actually I AM PETRIFIED and I AM PAYING ATTENTION. I guess the things I am petrified about are much different then what everyone else is petrified about.

Sorry for that deviation…

Rt 66 sounds like we are actually more on the same page then not. Yes I made light of daveljs analysis but I do believe to be very rational by the way.

[SD Realtor]

Allan I don’t disagree totally. I agree with you that the achilles heel of china is indeed the purchasing power of the usa consumer. Without us they don’t have enough consumers to fuel the train. In fact the same may be said for the entire world. I am concerned though with regards to the Chinese resource power play, military expansion, etc…

All in all I am much more concerned with our loss of personal freedom then anything else. Soon my government will tell me which health provider to use. Since they are doing that they can tell me what foods to eat or at least tax the hell out of those that they feel are not in my own best interest. I know that most people read this and laugh and I hope in the future I will to. We will also soon have advisory panels telling radio stations that they need to provide more diverse programming… Oh I guess having the freedom not to listen was my choice, not my governments choice. My bad….

It is just so scary watching this entire transformation and nobody seems to care. Those that do are labelled right wing crazies. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never seen such a cowed media as well.

So actually I AM PETRIFIED and I AM PAYING ATTENTION. I guess the things I am petrified about are much different then what everyone else is petrified about.

Sorry for that deviation…

Rt 66 sounds like we are actually more on the same page then not. Yes I made light of daveljs analysis but I do believe to be very rational by the way.

[SD Realtor]

Allan I don’t disagree totally. I agree with you that the achilles heel of china is indeed the purchasing power of the usa consumer. Without us they don’t have enough consumers to fuel the train. In fact the same may be said for the entire world. I am concerned though with regards to the Chinese resource power play, military expansion, etc…

All in all I am much more concerned with our loss of personal freedom then anything else. Soon my government will tell me which health provider to use. Since they are doing that they can tell me what foods to eat or at least tax the hell out of those that they feel are not in my own best interest. I know that most people read this and laugh and I hope in the future I will to. We will also soon have advisory panels telling radio stations that they need to provide more diverse programming… Oh I guess having the freedom not to listen was my choice, not my governments choice. My bad….

It is just so scary watching this entire transformation and nobody seems to care. Those that do are labelled right wing crazies. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never seen such a cowed media as well.

So actually I AM PETRIFIED and I AM PAYING ATTENTION. I guess the things I am petrified about are much different then what everyone else is petrified about.

Sorry for that deviation…

Rt 66 sounds like we are actually more on the same page then not. Yes I made light of daveljs analysis but I do believe to be very rational by the way.

[SD Realtor]

Allan I don’t disagree totally. I agree with you that the achilles heel of china is indeed the purchasing power of the usa consumer. Without us they don’t have enough consumers to fuel the train. In fact the same may be said for the entire world. I am concerned though with regards to the Chinese resource power play, military expansion, etc…

All in all I am much more concerned with our loss of personal freedom then anything else. Soon my government will tell me which health provider to use. Since they are doing that they can tell me what foods to eat or at least tax the hell out of those that they feel are not in my own best interest. I know that most people read this and laugh and I hope in the future I will to. We will also soon have advisory panels telling radio stations that they need to provide more diverse programming… Oh I guess having the freedom not to listen was my choice, not my governments choice. My bad….

It is just so scary watching this entire transformation and nobody seems to care. Those that do are labelled right wing crazies. In my entire life I can honestly say I have never seen such a cowed media as well.

So actually I AM PETRIFIED and I AM PAYING ATTENTION. I guess the things I am petrified about are much different then what everyone else is petrified about.

Sorry for that deviation…

Rt 66 sounds like we are actually more on the same page then not. Yes I made light of daveljs analysis but I do believe to be very rational by the way.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66][quote=flu]Don’t forget to blame Japan,China, imports, immigrants (legal or illegal), walmart, honda, toyota, hyundai, elitists (i.e. folks with college degrees), doctors, lawyers,wall street bankers for our problems.

All of these traitors are destroying the middle class.

Buchanan for 2012:
“Bring Pride Back to Americans (some at least)”
[/quote]

Flu i don’t blame Japan or Toyota and I never said ANYTHING about imigrants you nerd. Japan is doing what they need to do, they fight for jobs. I blame people like you. Tiny minded, self-centered, ego nuts that can’t see the big picture. You are not alone, there are too many like you.

You will in the next few years come to a point where you feel as though your job is threatened and at that point hopefully you will get a sick feeling in your stomach over calling for hundreds of thousands of folks to lose their jobs because you, from far, far away have judged them lazy, over paid and incompetent. Karhma’s a bitch.

No entire work force is like that, including the UAW. There are good and bad workers in every large company and every union.

I never said Drs., lawyers or folks with degrees are elite and you know it. Most people know what is meant by “elite” and I’m tired of trying to dumb things down for you.
————-

For everyone else, apologies on the Buchanan thing. I only like his trade stance (should have noted that).
[/quote]

Yawn, this wasn’t personal but since you decided to take it to that level…

I’ll tell you what I think the problem with America is. There are too many damn hypocrits like you that bark about patriotism on one hand and who’s actions going completely contradictory to what you preach.

Folks like you complain about losing jobs, complain about getting outsourced, complain about how opportunities escape you…How foreign competition is killing the U.S. And folks like you suggest to regulate the hell out of imports, remove “choices” that american consumers make everyday on what they want and what they don’t want (the fabric of this country), and instead install a totalitarian system of “trade” for which the government has tremendous oversight in what citizens can buy/can’t buy and whether they have to buy or not.

….But at the same time, folks like you, aren’t willing to give up any of the modern day advances for which the majority is made by everyone in world.

….You’re not willing to give up your TV, your computer (which you conveniently are using to blog your patriotism hypocracy), your cell phones, pdas, almost all of which are made in China/Taiwan/Japan.

….You drive a cars from a US company that where made by overseas imported into the U.S. and didn’t contribute 1 iota to the “U.S. assembly line workforce”, and yet you shun those that purchase an import Honda/Toyotas made and assembled in Ohio. You still shop at Walmart for cheap clothes, cheap crap, all made overseas, you buy your food from discounters that import things from overseas rather than spending “more” on organic grown locally because “it’s too expensive”

….You want most of the modern day conveniences but don’t want to pay nominal dollars for it….You want to pay less than $800 for a computer that is 100 times more powerful than a computer from 14 years ago that I paid $3000 for, and then you wonder why companies keep trying to move assembly/manufacturing to places that can pay people $.10/hr to assemble these things.

….You grip about how your skills/labor/expertise is gradually eroding because the economy/industry has changed but you don’t do anything about it to keep up with the way the world is turning…You don’t send your kids to get technical degree (you look down on people who decided to invest in their brain in meaningful technical way by calling these folks “nerd” whatever). You’d rather tell your kids it’s ok to pursue things like Shakespearian History in college or some other bullshit major… or you conveniently tell them why even bother going to get a technical degree or learn… just go to work and be an assembly line worker , and after 10 years you can expect the company and the government to take care of you without any active management on your part to keep up with the world is going, keep up with where the opportunities are,etc.
Meanwhile, you can’t understand why those people put their mind and effort into continuously self-improving can’t relate to you and why they aren’t afraid of being completely outsourced…Because you haven’t figured out that all your learning/knowledge/etc/opportunities doesn’t just come by you sitting on your fat ass munching a double whopper while watching Jerry Springer without doing anything else….and that if you don’t continuously work on improving your situation (whether it’s your career, your financial situation, relationships, whatever), no one else will be looking out for you and eventually you will atrophy and be a piece of trash thrown out on the street. Folks like you focus on a day to day “job” rather than building a “career” (possibly not even knowing the difference), and as long as you get a paycheck and can pay the bills in the short term, that’s all that matters.

..Gradually as the world around you changes and internationalizes, your world gets smaller. It’s harder for you to relate, it’s harder for you to provide what everyone else needs, and pretty soon you find your no longer in tune with the rest of the global economy. Your quality of living deterrioates because suddenly there are others than can do what you can do for a lot less, you are no longer bringing anything else new to the table that someone else can’t do…If you were one of those smarter people, you would have mastered your finances all during this time so that when this day of reckoning came, you wouldn’t be screwed. But a majority of folks don’t, after you pissed away your finances on all that bullshit you bought from overseas.

…Then it hits….Your up a shits creek…But it’s not your fault. It’s the government, it’s the foreign companies, it’s Americans who are traitors that don’t buy the products you need them to buy for your own well being. It’s all the H1-B people how can do the work that you didn’t want to do that you didn’t want to go to college for because it “didn’t pay enough.” It’s employer’s fault for not hiring you. It’s rich people’s fault for not paying for more taxes. It’s the government’s fault for not bailing out your company. It’s everyone’s fault and responsibility for taking care of you except yourself.

Yes, you’re right.. Karma is a bitch, and it came back and bit people like this in the ass.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66][quote=flu]Don’t forget to blame Japan,China, imports, immigrants (legal or illegal), walmart, honda, toyota, hyundai, elitists (i.e. folks with college degrees), doctors, lawyers,wall street bankers for our problems.

All of these traitors are destroying the middle class.

Buchanan for 2012:
“Bring Pride Back to Americans (some at least)”
[/quote]

Flu i don’t blame Japan or Toyota and I never said ANYTHING about imigrants you nerd. Japan is doing what they need to do, they fight for jobs. I blame people like you. Tiny minded, self-centered, ego nuts that can’t see the big picture. You are not alone, there are too many like you.

You will in the next few years come to a point where you feel as though your job is threatened and at that point hopefully you will get a sick feeling in your stomach over calling for hundreds of thousands of folks to lose their jobs because you, from far, far away have judged them lazy, over paid and incompetent. Karhma’s a bitch.

No entire work force is like that, including the UAW. There are good and bad workers in every large company and every union.

I never said Drs., lawyers or folks with degrees are elite and you know it. Most people know what is meant by “elite” and I’m tired of trying to dumb things down for you.
————-

For everyone else, apologies on the Buchanan thing. I only like his trade stance (should have noted that).
[/quote]

Yawn, this wasn’t personal but since you decided to take it to that level…

I’ll tell you what I think the problem with America is. There are too many damn hypocrits like you that bark about patriotism on one hand and who’s actions going completely contradictory to what you preach.

Folks like you complain about losing jobs, complain about getting outsourced, complain about how opportunities escape you…How foreign competition is killing the U.S. And folks like you suggest to regulate the hell out of imports, remove “choices” that american consumers make everyday on what they want and what they don’t want (the fabric of this country), and instead install a totalitarian system of “trade” for which the government has tremendous oversight in what citizens can buy/can’t buy and whether they have to buy or not.

….But at the same time, folks like you, aren’t willing to give up any of the modern day advances for which the majority is made by everyone in world.

….You’re not willing to give up your TV, your computer (which you conveniently are using to blog your patriotism hypocracy), your cell phones, pdas, almost all of which are made in China/Taiwan/Japan.

….You drive a cars from a US company that where made by overseas imported into the U.S. and didn’t contribute 1 iota to the “U.S. assembly line workforce”, and yet you shun those that purchase an import Honda/Toyotas made and assembled in Ohio. You still shop at Walmart for cheap clothes, cheap crap, all made overseas, you buy your food from discounters that import things from overseas rather than spending “more” on organic grown locally because “it’s too expensive”

….You want most of the modern day conveniences but don’t want to pay nominal dollars for it….You want to pay less than $800 for a computer that is 100 times more powerful than a computer from 14 years ago that I paid $3000 for, and then you wonder why companies keep trying to move assembly/manufacturing to places that can pay people $.10/hr to assemble these things.

….You grip about how your skills/labor/expertise is gradually eroding because the economy/industry has changed but you don’t do anything about it to keep up with the way the world is turning…You don’t send your kids to get technical degree (you look down on people who decided to invest in their brain in meaningful technical way by calling these folks “nerd” whatever). You’d rather tell your kids it’s ok to pursue things like Shakespearian History in college or some other bullshit major… or you conveniently tell them why even bother going to get a technical degree or learn… just go to work and be an assembly line worker , and after 10 years you can expect the company and the government to take care of you without any active management on your part to keep up with the world is going, keep up with where the opportunities are,etc.
Meanwhile, you can’t understand why those people put their mind and effort into continuously self-improving can’t relate to you and why they aren’t afraid of being completely outsourced…Because you haven’t figured out that all your learning/knowledge/etc/opportunities doesn’t just come by you sitting on your fat ass munching a double whopper while watching Jerry Springer without doing anything else….and that if you don’t continuously work on improving your situation (whether it’s your career, your financial situation, relationships, whatever), no one else will be looking out for you and eventually you will atrophy and be a piece of trash thrown out on the street. Folks like you focus on a day to day “job” rather than building a “career” (possibly not even knowing the difference), and as long as you get a paycheck and can pay the bills in the short term, that’s all that matters.

..Gradually as the world around you changes and internationalizes, your world gets smaller. It’s harder for you to relate, it’s harder for you to provide what everyone else needs, and pretty soon you find your no longer in tune with the rest of the global economy. Your quality of living deterrioates because suddenly there are others than can do what you can do for a lot less, you are no longer bringing anything else new to the table that someone else can’t do…If you were one of those smarter people, you would have mastered your finances all during this time so that when this day of reckoning came, you wouldn’t be screwed. But a majority of folks don’t, after you pissed away your finances on all that bullshit you bought from overseas.

…Then it hits….Your up a shits creek…But it’s not your fault. It’s the government, it’s the foreign companies, it’s Americans who are traitors that don’t buy the products you need them to buy for your own well being. It’s all the H1-B people how can do the work that you didn’t want to do that you didn’t want to go to college for because it “didn’t pay enough.” It’s employer’s fault for not hiring you. It’s rich people’s fault for not paying for more taxes. It’s the government’s fault for not bailing out your company. It’s everyone’s fault and responsibility for taking care of you except yourself.

Yes, you’re right.. Karma is a bitch, and it came back and bit people like this in the ass.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66][quote=flu]Don’t forget to blame Japan,China, imports, immigrants (legal or illegal), walmart, honda, toyota, hyundai, elitists (i.e. folks with college degrees), doctors, lawyers,wall street bankers for our problems.

All of these traitors are destroying the middle class.

Buchanan for 2012:
“Bring Pride Back to Americans (some at least)”
[/quote]

Flu i don’t blame Japan or Toyota and I never said ANYTHING about imigrants you nerd. Japan is doing what they need to do, they fight for jobs. I blame people like you. Tiny minded, self-centered, ego nuts that can’t see the big picture. You are not alone, there are too many like you.

You will in the next few years come to a point where you feel as though your job is threatened and at that point hopefully you will get a sick feeling in your stomach over calling for hundreds of thousands of folks to lose their jobs because you, from far, far away have judged them lazy, over paid and incompetent. Karhma’s a bitch.

No entire work force is like that, including the UAW. There are good and bad workers in every large company and every union.

I never said Drs., lawyers or folks with degrees are elite and you know it. Most people know what is meant by “elite” and I’m tired of trying to dumb things down for you.
————-

For everyone else, apologies on the Buchanan thing. I only like his trade stance (should have noted that).
[/quote]

Yawn, this wasn’t personal but since you decided to take it to that level…

I’ll tell you what I think the problem with America is. There are too many damn hypocrits like you that bark about patriotism on one hand and who’s actions going completely contradictory to what you preach.

Folks like you complain about losing jobs, complain about getting outsourced, complain about how opportunities escape you…How foreign competition is killing the U.S. And folks like you suggest to regulate the hell out of imports, remove “choices” that american consumers make everyday on what they want and what they don’t want (the fabric of this country), and instead install a totalitarian system of “trade” for which the government has tremendous oversight in what citizens can buy/can’t buy and whether they have to buy or not.

….But at the same time, folks like you, aren’t willing to give up any of the modern day advances for which the majority is made by everyone in world.

….You’re not willing to give up your TV, your computer (which you conveniently are using to blog your patriotism hypocracy), your cell phones, pdas, almost all of which are made in China/Taiwan/Japan.

….You drive a cars from a US company that where made by overseas imported into the U.S. and didn’t contribute 1 iota to the “U.S. assembly line workforce”, and yet you shun those that purchase an import Honda/Toyotas made and assembled in Ohio. You still shop at Walmart for cheap clothes, cheap crap, all made overseas, you buy your food from discounters that import things from overseas rather than spending “more” on organic grown locally because “it’s too expensive”

….You want most of the modern day conveniences but don’t want to pay nominal dollars for it….You want to pay less than $800 for a computer that is 100 times more powerful than a computer from 14 years ago that I paid $3000 for, and then you wonder why companies keep trying to move assembly/manufacturing to places that can pay people $.10/hr to assemble these things.

….You grip about how your skills/labor/expertise is gradually eroding because the economy/industry has changed but you don’t do anything about it to keep up with the way the world is turning…You don’t send your kids to get technical degree (you look down on people who decided to invest in their brain in meaningful technical way by calling these folks “nerd” whatever). You’d rather tell your kids it’s ok to pursue things like Shakespearian History in college or some other bullshit major… or you conveniently tell them why even bother going to get a technical degree or learn… just go to work and be an assembly line worker , and after 10 years you can expect the company and the government to take care of you without any active management on your part to keep up with the world is going, keep up with where the opportunities are,etc.
Meanwhile, you can’t understand why those people put their mind and effort into continuously self-improving can’t relate to you and why they aren’t afraid of being completely outsourced…Because you haven’t figured out that all your learning/knowledge/etc/opportunities doesn’t just come by you sitting on your fat ass munching a double whopper while watching Jerry Springer without doing anything else….and that if you don’t continuously work on improving your situation (whether it’s your career, your financial situation, relationships, whatever), no one else will be looking out for you and eventually you will atrophy and be a piece of trash thrown out on the street. Folks like you focus on a day to day “job” rather than building a “career” (possibly not even knowing the difference), and as long as you get a paycheck and can pay the bills in the short term, that’s all that matters.

..Gradually as the world around you changes and internationalizes, your world gets smaller. It’s harder for you to relate, it’s harder for you to provide what everyone else needs, and pretty soon you find your no longer in tune with the rest of the global economy. Your quality of living deterrioates because suddenly there are others than can do what you can do for a lot less, you are no longer bringing anything else new to the table that someone else can’t do…If you were one of those smarter people, you would have mastered your finances all during this time so that when this day of reckoning came, you wouldn’t be screwed. But a majority of folks don’t, after you pissed away your finances on all that bullshit you bought from overseas.

…Then it hits….Your up a shits creek…But it’s not your fault. It’s the government, it’s the foreign companies, it’s Americans who are traitors that don’t buy the products you need them to buy for your own well being. It’s all the H1-B people how can do the work that you didn’t want to do that you didn’t want to go to college for because it “didn’t pay enough.” It’s employer’s fault for not hiring you. It’s rich people’s fault for not paying for more taxes. It’s the government’s fault for not bailing out your company. It’s everyone’s fault and responsibility for taking care of you except yourself.

Yes, you’re right.. Karma is a bitch, and it came back and bit people like this in the ass.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66][quote=flu]Don’t forget to blame Japan,China, imports, immigrants (legal or illegal), walmart, honda, toyota, hyundai, elitists (i.e. folks with college degrees), doctors, lawyers,wall street bankers for our problems.

All of these traitors are destroying the middle class.

Buchanan for 2012:
“Bring Pride Back to Americans (some at least)”
[/quote]

Flu i don’t blame Japan or Toyota and I never said ANYTHING about imigrants you nerd. Japan is doing what they need to do, they fight for jobs. I blame people like you. Tiny minded, self-centered, ego nuts that can’t see the big picture. You are not alone, there are too many like you.

You will in the next few years come to a point where you feel as though your job is threatened and at that point hopefully you will get a sick feeling in your stomach over calling for hundreds of thousands of folks to lose their jobs because you, from far, far away have judged them lazy, over paid and incompetent. Karhma’s a bitch.

No entire work force is like that, including the UAW. There are good and bad workers in every large company and every union.

I never said Drs., lawyers or folks with degrees are elite and you know it. Most people know what is meant by “elite” and I’m tired of trying to dumb things down for you.
————-

For everyone else, apologies on the Buchanan thing. I only like his trade stance (should have noted that).
[/quote]

Yawn, this wasn’t personal but since you decided to take it to that level…

I’ll tell you what I think the problem with America is. There are too many damn hypocrits like you that bark about patriotism on one hand and who’s actions going completely contradictory to what you preach.

Folks like you complain about losing jobs, complain about getting outsourced, complain about how opportunities escape you…How foreign competition is killing the U.S. And folks like you suggest to regulate the hell out of imports, remove “choices” that american consumers make everyday on what they want and what they don’t want (the fabric of this country), and instead install a totalitarian system of “trade” for which the government has tremendous oversight in what citizens can buy/can’t buy and whether they have to buy or not.

….But at the same time, folks like you, aren’t willing to give up any of the modern day advances for which the majority is made by everyone in world.

….You’re not willing to give up your TV, your computer (which you conveniently are using to blog your patriotism hypocracy), your cell phones, pdas, almost all of which are made in China/Taiwan/Japan.

….You drive a cars from a US company that where made by overseas imported into the U.S. and didn’t contribute 1 iota to the “U.S. assembly line workforce”, and yet you shun those that purchase an import Honda/Toyotas made and assembled in Ohio. You still shop at Walmart for cheap clothes, cheap crap, all made overseas, you buy your food from discounters that import things from overseas rather than spending “more” on organic grown locally because “it’s too expensive”

….You want most of the modern day conveniences but don’t want to pay nominal dollars for it….You want to pay less than $800 for a computer that is 100 times more powerful than a computer from 14 years ago that I paid $3000 for, and then you wonder why companies keep trying to move assembly/manufacturing to places that can pay people $.10/hr to assemble these things.

….You grip about how your skills/labor/expertise is gradually eroding because the economy/industry has changed but you don’t do anything about it to keep up with the way the world is turning…You don’t send your kids to get technical degree (you look down on people who decided to invest in their brain in meaningful technical way by calling these folks “nerd” whatever). You’d rather tell your kids it’s ok to pursue things like Shakespearian History in college or some other bullshit major… or you conveniently tell them why even bother going to get a technical degree or learn… just go to work and be an assembly line worker , and after 10 years you can expect the company and the government to take care of you without any active management on your part to keep up with the world is going, keep up with where the opportunities are,etc.
Meanwhile, you can’t understand why those people put their mind and effort into continuously self-improving can’t relate to you and why they aren’t afraid of being completely outsourced…Because you haven’t figured out that all your learning/knowledge/etc/opportunities doesn’t just come by you sitting on your fat ass munching a double whopper while watching Jerry Springer without doing anything else….and that if you don’t continuously work on improving your situation (whether it’s your career, your financial situation, relationships, whatever), no one else will be looking out for you and eventually you will atrophy and be a piece of trash thrown out on the street. Folks like you focus on a day to day “job” rather than building a “career” (possibly not even knowing the difference), and as long as you get a paycheck and can pay the bills in the short term, that’s all that matters.

..Gradually as the world around you changes and internationalizes, your world gets smaller. It’s harder for you to relate, it’s harder for you to provide what everyone else needs, and pretty soon you find your no longer in tune with the rest of the global economy. Your quality of living deterrioates because suddenly there are others than can do what you can do for a lot less, you are no longer bringing anything else new to the table that someone else can’t do…If you were one of those smarter people, you would have mastered your finances all during this time so that when this day of reckoning came, you wouldn’t be screwed. But a majority of folks don’t, after you pissed away your finances on all that bullshit you bought from overseas.

…Then it hits….Your up a shits creek…But it’s not your fault. It’s the government, it’s the foreign companies, it’s Americans who are traitors that don’t buy the products you need them to buy for your own well being. It’s all the H1-B people how can do the work that you didn’t want to do that you didn’t want to go to college for because it “didn’t pay enough.” It’s employer’s fault for not hiring you. It’s rich people’s fault for not paying for more taxes. It’s the government’s fault for not bailing out your company. It’s everyone’s fault and responsibility for taking care of you except yourself.

Yes, you’re right.. Karma is a bitch, and it came back and bit people like this in the ass.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66][quote=flu]Don’t forget to blame Japan,China, imports, immigrants (legal or illegal), walmart, honda, toyota, hyundai, elitists (i.e. folks with college degrees), doctors, lawyers,wall street bankers for our problems.

All of these traitors are destroying the middle class.

Buchanan for 2012:
“Bring Pride Back to Americans (some at least)”
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Flu i don’t blame Japan or Toyota and I never said ANYTHING about imigrants you nerd. Japan is doing what they need to do, they fight for jobs. I blame people like you. Tiny minded, self-centered, ego nuts that can’t see the big picture. You are not alone, there are too many like you.

You will in the next few years come to a point where you feel as though your job is threatened and at that point hopefully you will get a sick feeling in your stomach over calling for hundreds of thousands of folks to lose their jobs because you, from far, far away have judged them lazy, over paid and incompetent. Karhma’s a bitch.

No entire work force is like that, including the UAW. There are good and bad workers in every large company and every union.

I never said Drs., lawyers or folks with degrees are elite and you know it. Most people know what is meant by “elite” and I’m tired of trying to dumb things down for you.
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For everyone else, apologies on the Buchanan thing. I only like his trade stance (should have noted that).
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Yawn, this wasn’t personal but since you decided to take it to that level…

I’ll tell you what I think the problem with America is. There are too many damn hypocrits like you that bark about patriotism on one hand and who’s actions going completely contradictory to what you preach.

Folks like you complain about losing jobs, complain about getting outsourced, complain about how opportunities escape you…How foreign competition is killing the U.S. And folks like you suggest to regulate the hell out of imports, remove “choices” that american consumers make everyday on what they want and what they don’t want (the fabric of this country), and instead install a totalitarian system of “trade” for which the government has tremendous oversight in what citizens can buy/can’t buy and whether they have to buy or not.

….But at the same time, folks like you, aren’t willing to give up any of the modern day advances for which the majority is made by everyone in world.

….You’re not willing to give up your TV, your computer (which you conveniently are using to blog your patriotism hypocracy), your cell phones, pdas, almost all of which are made in China/Taiwan/Japan.

….You drive a cars from a US company that where made by overseas imported into the U.S. and didn’t contribute 1 iota to the “U.S. assembly line workforce”, and yet you shun those that purchase an import Honda/Toyotas made and assembled in Ohio. You still shop at Walmart for cheap clothes, cheap crap, all made overseas, you buy your food from discounters that import things from overseas rather than spending “more” on organic grown locally because “it’s too expensive”

….You want most of the modern day conveniences but don’t want to pay nominal dollars for it….You want to pay less than $800 for a computer that is 100 times more powerful than a computer from 14 years ago that I paid $3000 for, and then you wonder why companies keep trying to move assembly/manufacturing to places that can pay people $.10/hr to assemble these things.

….You grip about how your skills/labor/expertise is gradually eroding because the economy/industry has changed but you don’t do anything about it to keep up with the way the world is turning…You don’t send your kids to get technical degree (you look down on people who decided to invest in their brain in meaningful technical way by calling these folks “nerd” whatever). You’d rather tell your kids it’s ok to pursue things like Shakespearian History in college or some other bullshit major… or you conveniently tell them why even bother going to get a technical degree or learn… just go to work and be an assembly line worker , and after 10 years you can expect the company and the government to take care of you without any active management on your part to keep up with the world is going, keep up with where the opportunities are,etc.
Meanwhile, you can’t understand why those people put their mind and effort into continuously self-improving can’t relate to you and why they aren’t afraid of being completely outsourced…Because you haven’t figured out that all your learning/knowledge/etc/opportunities doesn’t just come by you sitting on your fat ass munching a double whopper while watching Jerry Springer without doing anything else….and that if you don’t continuously work on improving your situation (whether it’s your career, your financial situation, relationships, whatever), no one else will be looking out for you and eventually you will atrophy and be a piece of trash thrown out on the street. Folks like you focus on a day to day “job” rather than building a “career” (possibly not even knowing the difference), and as long as you get a paycheck and can pay the bills in the short term, that’s all that matters.

..Gradually as the world around you changes and internationalizes, your world gets smaller. It’s harder for you to relate, it’s harder for you to provide what everyone else needs, and pretty soon you find your no longer in tune with the rest of the global economy. Your quality of living deterrioates because suddenly there are others than can do what you can do for a lot less, you are no longer bringing anything else new to the table that someone else can’t do…If you were one of those smarter people, you would have mastered your finances all during this time so that when this day of reckoning came, you wouldn’t be screwed. But a majority of folks don’t, after you pissed away your finances on all that bullshit you bought from overseas.

…Then it hits….Your up a shits creek…But it’s not your fault. It’s the government, it’s the foreign companies, it’s Americans who are traitors that don’t buy the products you need them to buy for your own well being. It’s all the H1-B people how can do the work that you didn’t want to do that you didn’t want to go to college for because it “didn’t pay enough.” It’s employer’s fault for not hiring you. It’s rich people’s fault for not paying for more taxes. It’s the government’s fault for not bailing out your company. It’s everyone’s fault and responsibility for taking care of you except yourself.

Yes, you’re right.. Karma is a bitch, and it came back and bit people like this in the ass.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

FLU: Good post. However, there are some areas where you broad brushed it somewhat.

One of the things that enabled Japan, Inc. to become as “competitive” as they were in autos, technology, etc was the fact that the US essentially picked up the tab for their defense and, in so doing, also ensured (with the US Navy) that they would have an uninterrupted source of resources, materials and supplies (including oil) for their use.

Combine this with a completely protected domestic market (Japan employs some of the most brutal tariffs and import control systems in the world) and unstinting governmental support from bureaus like MITI (Ministry of Int’l Trade and Industry) and you have a situation whereby the Japanese can effectively undercut and under price their American competitors. Admittedly, Detroit in the 1970s was a lethargic, backward looking dinosaur that set itself up to be overtaken, but still.

I remember the semiconductor dumping scandals of the 1980s and I also remember my dad, who was an aerospace engineer, telling me stories about having to keep an eye on Japanese engineers because they thought nothing of a little friendly industrial espionage and would take photos of whatever plans or specs were laying around.

We’ve steadily watched our competitive advantage shrink and largely because we haven’t done anything to stop it, but, the story isn’t that simple, either. Those Japanese vehicles that are produced in the US enjoy certain tax, trade and manufacturing advantages that their US counterparts don’t. Combined with the legacy costs of US auto manufacturing, it becomes prohibitively expensive to compete, especially in an industry that is as cutthroat as the auto industry.

We remain tremendously innovative and creative and productive. Our colleges and universities are among the best in the world. And, I for one am actually all for protectionist trade measures right now and mainly because our competition could care less about the rule of law, or intellectual property rights, or just playing fair. I work in high technology and emerging technology and with one of the top ten research universities in the country (UCSD). I disagree that the majority of Americans are just sitting on their asses eating fast food and watching “Springer”. Our labor forces and the population at large have been let down by our government and its high time Uncle Sugar stepped in and stepped out and started using his muscle in a fashion that helps and not hinders US competitiveness.

I don’t embrace the European model of protectionism as I find it self-defeating, but I do think the US should be willing to tell other countries and trading zones to piss off and that we should start taking advantage of rising wages, ballooning resource costs and economic dislocation in countries like China, India, Japan and Russia. They’d screw us over in a heartbeat and have in the past. I say we return the favor.

I also say that we use this stimulus money to retrain American workers, rehab the infrastructure (including vital industries like energy, power and steel) and get us back to building things. There was a point that the entire world was built with American steel. No reason we can’t do it again.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

FLU: Good post. However, there are some areas where you broad brushed it somewhat.

One of the things that enabled Japan, Inc. to become as “competitive” as they were in autos, technology, etc was the fact that the US essentially picked up the tab for their defense and, in so doing, also ensured (with the US Navy) that they would have an uninterrupted source of resources, materials and supplies (including oil) for their use.

Combine this with a completely protected domestic market (Japan employs some of the most brutal tariffs and import control systems in the world) and unstinting governmental support from bureaus like MITI (Ministry of Int’l Trade and Industry) and you have a situation whereby the Japanese can effectively undercut and under price their American competitors. Admittedly, Detroit in the 1970s was a lethargic, backward looking dinosaur that set itself up to be overtaken, but still.

I remember the semiconductor dumping scandals of the 1980s and I also remember my dad, who was an aerospace engineer, telling me stories about having to keep an eye on Japanese engineers because they thought nothing of a little friendly industrial espionage and would take photos of whatever plans or specs were laying around.

We’ve steadily watched our competitive advantage shrink and largely because we haven’t done anything to stop it, but, the story isn’t that simple, either. Those Japanese vehicles that are produced in the US enjoy certain tax, trade and manufacturing advantages that their US counterparts don’t. Combined with the legacy costs of US auto manufacturing, it becomes prohibitively expensive to compete, especially in an industry that is as cutthroat as the auto industry.

We remain tremendously innovative and creative and productive. Our colleges and universities are among the best in the world. And, I for one am actually all for protectionist trade measures right now and mainly because our competition could care less about the rule of law, or intellectual property rights, or just playing fair. I work in high technology and emerging technology and with one of the top ten research universities in the country (UCSD). I disagree that the majority of Americans are just sitting on their asses eating fast food and watching “Springer”. Our labor forces and the population at large have been let down by our government and its high time Uncle Sugar stepped in and stepped out and started using his muscle in a fashion that helps and not hinders US competitiveness.

I don’t embrace the European model of protectionism as I find it self-defeating, but I do think the US should be willing to tell other countries and trading zones to piss off and that we should start taking advantage of rising wages, ballooning resource costs and economic dislocation in countries like China, India, Japan and Russia. They’d screw us over in a heartbeat and have in the past. I say we return the favor.

I also say that we use this stimulus money to retrain American workers, rehab the infrastructure (including vital industries like energy, power and steel) and get us back to building things. There was a point that the entire world was built with American steel. No reason we can’t do it again.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

FLU: Good post. However, there are some areas where you broad brushed it somewhat.

One of the things that enabled Japan, Inc. to become as “competitive” as they were in autos, technology, etc was the fact that the US essentially picked up the tab for their defense and, in so doing, also ensured (with the US Navy) that they would have an uninterrupted source of resources, materials and supplies (including oil) for their use.

Combine this with a completely protected domestic market (Japan employs some of the most brutal tariffs and import control systems in the world) and unstinting governmental support from bureaus like MITI (Ministry of Int’l Trade and Industry) and you have a situation whereby the Japanese can effectively undercut and under price their American competitors. Admittedly, Detroit in the 1970s was a lethargic, backward looking dinosaur that set itself up to be overtaken, but still.

I remember the semiconductor dumping scandals of the 1980s and I also remember my dad, who was an aerospace engineer, telling me stories about having to keep an eye on Japanese engineers because they thought nothing of a little friendly industrial espionage and would take photos of whatever plans or specs were laying around.

We’ve steadily watched our competitive advantage shrink and largely because we haven’t done anything to stop it, but, the story isn’t that simple, either. Those Japanese vehicles that are produced in the US enjoy certain tax, trade and manufacturing advantages that their US counterparts don’t. Combined with the legacy costs of US auto manufacturing, it becomes prohibitively expensive to compete, especially in an industry that is as cutthroat as the auto industry.

We remain tremendously innovative and creative and productive. Our colleges and universities are among the best in the world. And, I for one am actually all for protectionist trade measures right now and mainly because our competition could care less about the rule of law, or intellectual property rights, or just playing fair. I work in high technology and emerging technology and with one of the top ten research universities in the country (UCSD). I disagree that the majority of Americans are just sitting on their asses eating fast food and watching “Springer”. Our labor forces and the population at large have been let down by our government and its high time Uncle Sugar stepped in and stepped out and started using his muscle in a fashion that helps and not hinders US competitiveness.

I don’t embrace the European model of protectionism as I find it self-defeating, but I do think the US should be willing to tell other countries and trading zones to piss off and that we should start taking advantage of rising wages, ballooning resource costs and economic dislocation in countries like China, India, Japan and Russia. They’d screw us over in a heartbeat and have in the past. I say we return the favor.

I also say that we use this stimulus money to retrain American workers, rehab the infrastructure (including vital industries like energy, power and steel) and get us back to building things. There was a point that the entire world was built with American steel. No reason we can’t do it again.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

FLU: Good post. However, there are some areas where you broad brushed it somewhat.

One of the things that enabled Japan, Inc. to become as “competitive” as they were in autos, technology, etc was the fact that the US essentially picked up the tab for their defense and, in so doing, also ensured (with the US Navy) that they would have an uninterrupted source of resources, materials and supplies (including oil) for their use.

Combine this with a completely protected domestic market (Japan employs some of the most brutal tariffs and import control systems in the world) and unstinting governmental support from bureaus like MITI (Ministry of Int’l Trade and Industry) and you have a situation whereby the Japanese can effectively undercut and under price their American competitors. Admittedly, Detroit in the 1970s was a lethargic, backward looking dinosaur that set itself up to be overtaken, but still.

I remember the semiconductor dumping scandals of the 1980s and I also remember my dad, who was an aerospace engineer, telling me stories about having to keep an eye on Japanese engineers because they thought nothing of a little friendly industrial espionage and would take photos of whatever plans or specs were laying around.

We’ve steadily watched our competitive advantage shrink and largely because we haven’t done anything to stop it, but, the story isn’t that simple, either. Those Japanese vehicles that are produced in the US enjoy certain tax, trade and manufacturing advantages that their US counterparts don’t. Combined with the legacy costs of US auto manufacturing, it becomes prohibitively expensive to compete, especially in an industry that is as cutthroat as the auto industry.

We remain tremendously innovative and creative and productive. Our colleges and universities are among the best in the world. And, I for one am actually all for protectionist trade measures right now and mainly because our competition could care less about the rule of law, or intellectual property rights, or just playing fair. I work in high technology and emerging technology and with one of the top ten research universities in the country (UCSD). I disagree that the majority of Americans are just sitting on their asses eating fast food and watching “Springer”. Our labor forces and the population at large have been let down by our government and its high time Uncle Sugar stepped in and stepped out and started using his muscle in a fashion that helps and not hinders US competitiveness.

I don’t embrace the European model of protectionism as I find it self-defeating, but I do think the US should be willing to tell other countries and trading zones to piss off and that we should start taking advantage of rising wages, ballooning resource costs and economic dislocation in countries like China, India, Japan and Russia. They’d screw us over in a heartbeat and have in the past. I say we return the favor.

I also say that we use this stimulus money to retrain American workers, rehab the infrastructure (including vital industries like energy, power and steel) and get us back to building things. There was a point that the entire world was built with American steel. No reason we can’t do it again.

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