Proposition 23

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
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Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.[/quote]

Great! When are you moving?

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.[/quote]

Great! When are you moving?

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.[/quote]

Great! When are you moving?

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.[/quote]

Great! When are you moving?

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.[/quote]

Great! When are you moving?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.[/quote]

BigGubment: Where did I say I wasn’t successful? I didn’t and, to the contrary, my business is doing quite well. Also, no, I don’t take government money, but work in a technology partnership with UCSD, and, yeah, there is a BIG difference.

Unlike you, I grew up in California, Silicon Valley (before it was Silicon Valley, actually), so I’m willing to bet I know more about this state and how conducive to business it is.

And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.

Like I said, you’re unwilling to engage in a meaningful debate (because you cannot), so instead you resort to ad hominem, misuse or misstatement of facts, or good old fashioned ignorance, as with your assertion that because Apple rose to a dominant position, the business atmosphere in California MUST be favorable.

Do yourself a favor and do some reading. Check out the mass exodus of businesses from California and, more important, why they’re leaving. Its because of regulations, litigation and insurance/risk management costs. Also do a little reading on the history of Apple, including the near bust years and the return of Jobs. There are those of us who can remember the Byte Shop in downtown Mountain View and when the 85 freeway used to be a drag strip before it officially opened.

Nope, unlike you, I’m a California native and can remember what this state used to be. Its a shadow now and mainly because Bolshie catamites like you decided to kill the golden goose. Nah, dude, I ain’t moving. I was here first. You, however? You’re absolutely free to go and with my blessings.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.[/quote]

BigGubment: Where did I say I wasn’t successful? I didn’t and, to the contrary, my business is doing quite well. Also, no, I don’t take government money, but work in a technology partnership with UCSD, and, yeah, there is a BIG difference.

Unlike you, I grew up in California, Silicon Valley (before it was Silicon Valley, actually), so I’m willing to bet I know more about this state and how conducive to business it is.

And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.

Like I said, you’re unwilling to engage in a meaningful debate (because you cannot), so instead you resort to ad hominem, misuse or misstatement of facts, or good old fashioned ignorance, as with your assertion that because Apple rose to a dominant position, the business atmosphere in California MUST be favorable.

Do yourself a favor and do some reading. Check out the mass exodus of businesses from California and, more important, why they’re leaving. Its because of regulations, litigation and insurance/risk management costs. Also do a little reading on the history of Apple, including the near bust years and the return of Jobs. There are those of us who can remember the Byte Shop in downtown Mountain View and when the 85 freeway used to be a drag strip before it officially opened.

Nope, unlike you, I’m a California native and can remember what this state used to be. Its a shadow now and mainly because Bolshie catamites like you decided to kill the golden goose. Nah, dude, I ain’t moving. I was here first. You, however? You’re absolutely free to go and with my blessings.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.[/quote]

BigGubment: Where did I say I wasn’t successful? I didn’t and, to the contrary, my business is doing quite well. Also, no, I don’t take government money, but work in a technology partnership with UCSD, and, yeah, there is a BIG difference.

Unlike you, I grew up in California, Silicon Valley (before it was Silicon Valley, actually), so I’m willing to bet I know more about this state and how conducive to business it is.

And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.

Like I said, you’re unwilling to engage in a meaningful debate (because you cannot), so instead you resort to ad hominem, misuse or misstatement of facts, or good old fashioned ignorance, as with your assertion that because Apple rose to a dominant position, the business atmosphere in California MUST be favorable.

Do yourself a favor and do some reading. Check out the mass exodus of businesses from California and, more important, why they’re leaving. Its because of regulations, litigation and insurance/risk management costs. Also do a little reading on the history of Apple, including the near bust years and the return of Jobs. There are those of us who can remember the Byte Shop in downtown Mountain View and when the 85 freeway used to be a drag strip before it officially opened.

Nope, unlike you, I’m a California native and can remember what this state used to be. Its a shadow now and mainly because Bolshie catamites like you decided to kill the golden goose. Nah, dude, I ain’t moving. I was here first. You, however? You’re absolutely free to go and with my blessings.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.[/quote]

BigGubment: Where did I say I wasn’t successful? I didn’t and, to the contrary, my business is doing quite well. Also, no, I don’t take government money, but work in a technology partnership with UCSD, and, yeah, there is a BIG difference.

Unlike you, I grew up in California, Silicon Valley (before it was Silicon Valley, actually), so I’m willing to bet I know more about this state and how conducive to business it is.

And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.

Like I said, you’re unwilling to engage in a meaningful debate (because you cannot), so instead you resort to ad hominem, misuse or misstatement of facts, or good old fashioned ignorance, as with your assertion that because Apple rose to a dominant position, the business atmosphere in California MUST be favorable.

Do yourself a favor and do some reading. Check out the mass exodus of businesses from California and, more important, why they’re leaving. Its because of regulations, litigation and insurance/risk management costs. Also do a little reading on the history of Apple, including the near bust years and the return of Jobs. There are those of us who can remember the Byte Shop in downtown Mountain View and when the 85 freeway used to be a drag strip before it officially opened.

Nope, unlike you, I’m a California native and can remember what this state used to be. Its a shadow now and mainly because Bolshie catamites like you decided to kill the golden goose. Nah, dude, I ain’t moving. I was here first. You, however? You’re absolutely free to go and with my blessings.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.[/quote]

BigGubment: Where did I say I wasn’t successful? I didn’t and, to the contrary, my business is doing quite well. Also, no, I don’t take government money, but work in a technology partnership with UCSD, and, yeah, there is a BIG difference.

Unlike you, I grew up in California, Silicon Valley (before it was Silicon Valley, actually), so I’m willing to bet I know more about this state and how conducive to business it is.

And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.

Like I said, you’re unwilling to engage in a meaningful debate (because you cannot), so instead you resort to ad hominem, misuse or misstatement of facts, or good old fashioned ignorance, as with your assertion that because Apple rose to a dominant position, the business atmosphere in California MUST be favorable.

Do yourself a favor and do some reading. Check out the mass exodus of businesses from California and, more important, why they’re leaving. Its because of regulations, litigation and insurance/risk management costs. Also do a little reading on the history of Apple, including the near bust years and the return of Jobs. There are those of us who can remember the Byte Shop in downtown Mountain View and when the 85 freeway used to be a drag strip before it officially opened.

Nope, unlike you, I’m a California native and can remember what this state used to be. Its a shadow now and mainly because Bolshie catamites like you decided to kill the golden goose. Nah, dude, I ain’t moving. I was here first. You, however? You’re absolutely free to go and with my blessings.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.
[/quote]

The Kauffman Foundation ranks California as the 8th best state for New Economy businesses:

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedfiles/2008_state_new_economy_index_120908.pdf

I suspect you are lamenting the loss of old-line businesses that polluted the hell out of the environment. While those businesses are moving out, innovative new startups are cropping up all the time.

Proposition 23 is currently polling at 45% against with only 34% for it:

Poll shows Proposition 23 losing support in California

It looks like it’s going to go down in flames and you can look forward to more of those businesses who make money by making the public pay for their externalities leaving the state. I say good riddance. For every pollution-based business that leaves, there will be 100 technology-based startups to take their place.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.
[/quote]

The Kauffman Foundation ranks California as the 8th best state for New Economy businesses:

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedfiles/2008_state_new_economy_index_120908.pdf

I suspect you are lamenting the loss of old-line businesses that polluted the hell out of the environment. While those businesses are moving out, innovative new startups are cropping up all the time.

Proposition 23 is currently polling at 45% against with only 34% for it:

Poll shows Proposition 23 losing support in California

It looks like it’s going to go down in flames and you can look forward to more of those businesses who make money by making the public pay for their externalities leaving the state. I say good riddance. For every pollution-based business that leaves, there will be 100 technology-based startups to take their place.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.
[/quote]

The Kauffman Foundation ranks California as the 8th best state for New Economy businesses:

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedfiles/2008_state_new_economy_index_120908.pdf

I suspect you are lamenting the loss of old-line businesses that polluted the hell out of the environment. While those businesses are moving out, innovative new startups are cropping up all the time.

Proposition 23 is currently polling at 45% against with only 34% for it:

Poll shows Proposition 23 losing support in California

It looks like it’s going to go down in flames and you can look forward to more of those businesses who make money by making the public pay for their externalities leaving the state. I say good riddance. For every pollution-based business that leaves, there will be 100 technology-based startups to take their place.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.
[/quote]

The Kauffman Foundation ranks California as the 8th best state for New Economy businesses:

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedfiles/2008_state_new_economy_index_120908.pdf

I suspect you are lamenting the loss of old-line businesses that polluted the hell out of the environment. While those businesses are moving out, innovative new startups are cropping up all the time.

Proposition 23 is currently polling at 45% against with only 34% for it:

Poll shows Proposition 23 losing support in California

It looks like it’s going to go down in flames and you can look forward to more of those businesses who make money by making the public pay for their externalities leaving the state. I say good riddance. For every pollution-based business that leaves, there will be 100 technology-based startups to take their place.

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