Proposition 23

[air_ogi]

[quote=no_such_reality]
Can you show the program and what benefits the companies are getting? Because if they are moving because of the program, it is because they are getting government gravy.[/quote]

Of course. But at the same time, letting big oil pollute your water and air for free is also government gravy.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=air_ogi]
Both Colorado and Arizona have strong clean energy programs. These companies are not moving out because AB32 is too strong, it is because other places have better AB32s.

But should Prop 23 pass, then you will see mass exodus of clean tech companies out of California.[/quote]

Left unsaid, but implicitly understood from the above, is the fact that California, once an innovation engine AND business friendly, has watched her competitive advantage erode nearly completely.

This state was built on a bi-partisan basis (think Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan) to be an education, research & development and economic juggernaut, as well as a massive sponge for federal spending, especially Department of Defense dollars. You saw the benefits first-hand with the rise of high-tech, aerospace and defense-related
businesses from the late 1940s all the way through the 1990s.

We’ve now squandered that competitive advantage and have succeeded in driving businesses from the state en masse.

States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=air_ogi]
Both Colorado and Arizona have strong clean energy programs. These companies are not moving out because AB32 is too strong, it is because other places have better AB32s.

But should Prop 23 pass, then you will see mass exodus of clean tech companies out of California.[/quote]

Left unsaid, but implicitly understood from the above, is the fact that California, once an innovation engine AND business friendly, has watched her competitive advantage erode nearly completely.

This state was built on a bi-partisan basis (think Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan) to be an education, research & development and economic juggernaut, as well as a massive sponge for federal spending, especially Department of Defense dollars. You saw the benefits first-hand with the rise of high-tech, aerospace and defense-related
businesses from the late 1940s all the way through the 1990s.

We’ve now squandered that competitive advantage and have succeeded in driving businesses from the state en masse.

States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=air_ogi]
Both Colorado and Arizona have strong clean energy programs. These companies are not moving out because AB32 is too strong, it is because other places have better AB32s.

But should Prop 23 pass, then you will see mass exodus of clean tech companies out of California.[/quote]

Left unsaid, but implicitly understood from the above, is the fact that California, once an innovation engine AND business friendly, has watched her competitive advantage erode nearly completely.

This state was built on a bi-partisan basis (think Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan) to be an education, research & development and economic juggernaut, as well as a massive sponge for federal spending, especially Department of Defense dollars. You saw the benefits first-hand with the rise of high-tech, aerospace and defense-related
businesses from the late 1940s all the way through the 1990s.

We’ve now squandered that competitive advantage and have succeeded in driving businesses from the state en masse.

States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=air_ogi]
Both Colorado and Arizona have strong clean energy programs. These companies are not moving out because AB32 is too strong, it is because other places have better AB32s.

But should Prop 23 pass, then you will see mass exodus of clean tech companies out of California.[/quote]

Left unsaid, but implicitly understood from the above, is the fact that California, once an innovation engine AND business friendly, has watched her competitive advantage erode nearly completely.

This state was built on a bi-partisan basis (think Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan) to be an education, research & development and economic juggernaut, as well as a massive sponge for federal spending, especially Department of Defense dollars. You saw the benefits first-hand with the rise of high-tech, aerospace and defense-related
businesses from the late 1940s all the way through the 1990s.

We’ve now squandered that competitive advantage and have succeeded in driving businesses from the state en masse.

States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=air_ogi]
Both Colorado and Arizona have strong clean energy programs. These companies are not moving out because AB32 is too strong, it is because other places have better AB32s.

But should Prop 23 pass, then you will see mass exodus of clean tech companies out of California.[/quote]

Left unsaid, but implicitly understood from the above, is the fact that California, once an innovation engine AND business friendly, has watched her competitive advantage erode nearly completely.

This state was built on a bi-partisan basis (think Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan) to be an education, research & development and economic juggernaut, as well as a massive sponge for federal spending, especially Department of Defense dollars. You saw the benefits first-hand with the rise of high-tech, aerospace and defense-related
businesses from the late 1940s all the way through the 1990s.

We’ve now squandered that competitive advantage and have succeeded in driving businesses from the state en masse.

States like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado and Texas have smartly seized on our missteps, and created an environment and atmosphere that encourages innovation, creativity and commerce.

[patb]

[quote=EconProf]Prop 23 clearly seeks to limit the damage done by Proposition 32, which drastically raises the % of power we get from uneconomic, expensive renewable sources. Proposition 32 is a job killer. It is the best way to destroy California short of bombing it. All energy costs would skyrocket, electricity rates will especially bump up, one estimate puts gasoline prices over $9 per gallon.
Proposition 23 would hold off Prop32 until the state’s unemployment rate fell under 5 1/2%.
If you think our current 12% plus unemployment rate is not high enough, vote against Prop. 23.[/quote]
An EconProf giving advice?

Run Away, Flee, while you still have wealth.

[patb]

[quote=EconProf]Prop 23 clearly seeks to limit the damage done by Proposition 32, which drastically raises the % of power we get from uneconomic, expensive renewable sources. Proposition 32 is a job killer. It is the best way to destroy California short of bombing it. All energy costs would skyrocket, electricity rates will especially bump up, one estimate puts gasoline prices over $9 per gallon.
Proposition 23 would hold off Prop32 until the state’s unemployment rate fell under 5 1/2%.
If you think our current 12% plus unemployment rate is not high enough, vote against Prop. 23.[/quote]
An EconProf giving advice?

Run Away, Flee, while you still have wealth.

[patb]

[quote=EconProf]Prop 23 clearly seeks to limit the damage done by Proposition 32, which drastically raises the % of power we get from uneconomic, expensive renewable sources. Proposition 32 is a job killer. It is the best way to destroy California short of bombing it. All energy costs would skyrocket, electricity rates will especially bump up, one estimate puts gasoline prices over $9 per gallon.
Proposition 23 would hold off Prop32 until the state’s unemployment rate fell under 5 1/2%.
If you think our current 12% plus unemployment rate is not high enough, vote against Prop. 23.[/quote]
An EconProf giving advice?

Run Away, Flee, while you still have wealth.

[patb]

[quote=EconProf]Prop 23 clearly seeks to limit the damage done by Proposition 32, which drastically raises the % of power we get from uneconomic, expensive renewable sources. Proposition 32 is a job killer. It is the best way to destroy California short of bombing it. All energy costs would skyrocket, electricity rates will especially bump up, one estimate puts gasoline prices over $9 per gallon.
Proposition 23 would hold off Prop32 until the state’s unemployment rate fell under 5 1/2%.
If you think our current 12% plus unemployment rate is not high enough, vote against Prop. 23.[/quote]
An EconProf giving advice?

Run Away, Flee, while you still have wealth.

[patb]

[quote=EconProf]Prop 23 clearly seeks to limit the damage done by Proposition 32, which drastically raises the % of power we get from uneconomic, expensive renewable sources. Proposition 32 is a job killer. It is the best way to destroy California short of bombing it. All energy costs would skyrocket, electricity rates will especially bump up, one estimate puts gasoline prices over $9 per gallon.
Proposition 23 would hold off Prop32 until the state’s unemployment rate fell under 5 1/2%.
If you think our current 12% plus unemployment rate is not high enough, vote against Prop. 23.[/quote]
An EconProf giving advice?

Run Away, Flee, while you still have wealth.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.

[BigGovernmentIsGood]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I own a California based business, and am in a technology partnership with UC San Diego. I cannot even begin to tell you the amount of bureaucratic red tape I go through to get the simplest things done. For him to assert that, because Apple is successful, all other businesses in California are successful, is the height of idiocy.
[/quote]

Apparently you lack even rudimentary reading comprehension skills. That probably goes a long way towards explaining your lack of success.

Here’s what I said:

California is the home to Apple, the biggest, most successful company in the world. That fact blows a pretty massive hole in your theory that California regulations are stifling business.

What you need to ask your self is why you are unable to succeed when the regulatory environment in California is so conducive to business growth that the largest, most successful company in the world was founded and grew to became dominant here?

I’m clearly not saying that every company in California is successful. I’m saying that the California regulatory environment is very pro-business (so pro-business that it spawned the largest, most successful company in the world).

I also find it hilarious and the height of hypocrisy that your business partner is the University of California — a government institution. You are probably more dependent on the government than most welfare recipients.

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