Proposition 23

[air_ogi]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Air: I do? I choose to ignore it? Given that you don’t know me, how do you know that? [/quote]

Based on the fact that you took one mistake and decided that all data that disagrees with your conclusion is bogus.

Go to IPCC’s site, the provide a ton of data. Or go to NASA’s site, they provide a ton of data (for example on Greenland melting) as well.

[jstoesz]

1. If they so cost effective why does the solar industry require government coercion. The fact is there will be a day when they are feasible (actually it is already here, for many applications) but government coercion just makes us all (excluding the green energy industry) worse off.

2. Scapegoat? Who am I scapegoating. My point is that our GHG emmissions would be much worse if not for us sending all our energy intensive jobs to a country that has a much higher pollution rate. How about you look at emissions per GDP. emmissions per capita is worthless. If our countries population included all of the stone age farmers of western china, our emissions per capita would be the envy of the world!

I love this statement…”by 2020.” That is like saying I am going to be a billionaire by 2020…at least I am going to try! You forgot to mention that we are currently the worlds largest consumer of wind energy already and china currently exports 99% of all solar panels produced…oh and you forgot this too…from wiki

“The amount of electricity generated with solar power within China itself is so far comparatively small: as of the end of 2008, the solar power capacity attached to the national grid (i.e., excluding autonomous systems) was under 100 MW, i..e merely 0.01% of the nation’s power generation capacity.”

3. Your reference to oil prices is no less possible in other areas. This was from market manipulation and speculation. Other energy sectors are just as reliant on this. Where do those PV cells come from? or all the rare earth metals used in the prius. Fact is, foreign reliance is here to stay. And price spikes are always present.

4. Under AB32 we are still getting our power from PGE and if you want to put panels on your roof, you are still putting it back on their grid…You still need them.

5. Shall we start a separate thread about the plausibility of anthropomorphically caused global warming. I am more interested in the immediate negative implications for the fallacious long term benefits of AB32. The fact that I am a big skeptic of AGW aside, can anyone honestly claim that we are immediately doing our unemployment rate a favor by enacting AB32.

When we usher in this new era of green energy, who is going to make all the green energy stuff? California with its high taxes on energy, business profits, and emissions regulations? Or just across the border to nevada…or farther away to asia. This will never help CA jobs, but it might pad everyone else’s pockets.

[jstoesz]

1. If they so cost effective why does the solar industry require government coercion. The fact is there will be a day when they are feasible (actually it is already here, for many applications) but government coercion just makes us all (excluding the green energy industry) worse off.

2. Scapegoat? Who am I scapegoating. My point is that our GHG emmissions would be much worse if not for us sending all our energy intensive jobs to a country that has a much higher pollution rate. How about you look at emissions per GDP. emmissions per capita is worthless. If our countries population included all of the stone age farmers of western china, our emissions per capita would be the envy of the world!

I love this statement…”by 2020.” That is like saying I am going to be a billionaire by 2020…at least I am going to try! You forgot to mention that we are currently the worlds largest consumer of wind energy already and china currently exports 99% of all solar panels produced…oh and you forgot this too…from wiki

“The amount of electricity generated with solar power within China itself is so far comparatively small: as of the end of 2008, the solar power capacity attached to the national grid (i.e., excluding autonomous systems) was under 100 MW, i..e merely 0.01% of the nation’s power generation capacity.”

3. Your reference to oil prices is no less possible in other areas. This was from market manipulation and speculation. Other energy sectors are just as reliant on this. Where do those PV cells come from? or all the rare earth metals used in the prius. Fact is, foreign reliance is here to stay. And price spikes are always present.

4. Under AB32 we are still getting our power from PGE and if you want to put panels on your roof, you are still putting it back on their grid…You still need them.

5. Shall we start a separate thread about the plausibility of anthropomorphically caused global warming. I am more interested in the immediate negative implications for the fallacious long term benefits of AB32. The fact that I am a big skeptic of AGW aside, can anyone honestly claim that we are immediately doing our unemployment rate a favor by enacting AB32.

When we usher in this new era of green energy, who is going to make all the green energy stuff? California with its high taxes on energy, business profits, and emissions regulations? Or just across the border to nevada…or farther away to asia. This will never help CA jobs, but it might pad everyone else’s pockets.

[jstoesz]

1. If they so cost effective why does the solar industry require government coercion. The fact is there will be a day when they are feasible (actually it is already here, for many applications) but government coercion just makes us all (excluding the green energy industry) worse off.

2. Scapegoat? Who am I scapegoating. My point is that our GHG emmissions would be much worse if not for us sending all our energy intensive jobs to a country that has a much higher pollution rate. How about you look at emissions per GDP. emmissions per capita is worthless. If our countries population included all of the stone age farmers of western china, our emissions per capita would be the envy of the world!

I love this statement…”by 2020.” That is like saying I am going to be a billionaire by 2020…at least I am going to try! You forgot to mention that we are currently the worlds largest consumer of wind energy already and china currently exports 99% of all solar panels produced…oh and you forgot this too…from wiki

“The amount of electricity generated with solar power within China itself is so far comparatively small: as of the end of 2008, the solar power capacity attached to the national grid (i.e., excluding autonomous systems) was under 100 MW, i..e merely 0.01% of the nation’s power generation capacity.”

3. Your reference to oil prices is no less possible in other areas. This was from market manipulation and speculation. Other energy sectors are just as reliant on this. Where do those PV cells come from? or all the rare earth metals used in the prius. Fact is, foreign reliance is here to stay. And price spikes are always present.

4. Under AB32 we are still getting our power from PGE and if you want to put panels on your roof, you are still putting it back on their grid…You still need them.

5. Shall we start a separate thread about the plausibility of anthropomorphically caused global warming. I am more interested in the immediate negative implications for the fallacious long term benefits of AB32. The fact that I am a big skeptic of AGW aside, can anyone honestly claim that we are immediately doing our unemployment rate a favor by enacting AB32.

When we usher in this new era of green energy, who is going to make all the green energy stuff? California with its high taxes on energy, business profits, and emissions regulations? Or just across the border to nevada…or farther away to asia. This will never help CA jobs, but it might pad everyone else’s pockets.

[jstoesz]

1. If they so cost effective why does the solar industry require government coercion. The fact is there will be a day when they are feasible (actually it is already here, for many applications) but government coercion just makes us all (excluding the green energy industry) worse off.

2. Scapegoat? Who am I scapegoating. My point is that our GHG emmissions would be much worse if not for us sending all our energy intensive jobs to a country that has a much higher pollution rate. How about you look at emissions per GDP. emmissions per capita is worthless. If our countries population included all of the stone age farmers of western china, our emissions per capita would be the envy of the world!

I love this statement…”by 2020.” That is like saying I am going to be a billionaire by 2020…at least I am going to try! You forgot to mention that we are currently the worlds largest consumer of wind energy already and china currently exports 99% of all solar panels produced…oh and you forgot this too…from wiki

“The amount of electricity generated with solar power within China itself is so far comparatively small: as of the end of 2008, the solar power capacity attached to the national grid (i.e., excluding autonomous systems) was under 100 MW, i..e merely 0.01% of the nation’s power generation capacity.”

3. Your reference to oil prices is no less possible in other areas. This was from market manipulation and speculation. Other energy sectors are just as reliant on this. Where do those PV cells come from? or all the rare earth metals used in the prius. Fact is, foreign reliance is here to stay. And price spikes are always present.

4. Under AB32 we are still getting our power from PGE and if you want to put panels on your roof, you are still putting it back on their grid…You still need them.

5. Shall we start a separate thread about the plausibility of anthropomorphically caused global warming. I am more interested in the immediate negative implications for the fallacious long term benefits of AB32. The fact that I am a big skeptic of AGW aside, can anyone honestly claim that we are immediately doing our unemployment rate a favor by enacting AB32.

When we usher in this new era of green energy, who is going to make all the green energy stuff? California with its high taxes on energy, business profits, and emissions regulations? Or just across the border to nevada…or farther away to asia. This will never help CA jobs, but it might pad everyone else’s pockets.

[jstoesz]

1. If they so cost effective why does the solar industry require government coercion. The fact is there will be a day when they are feasible (actually it is already here, for many applications) but government coercion just makes us all (excluding the green energy industry) worse off.

2. Scapegoat? Who am I scapegoating. My point is that our GHG emmissions would be much worse if not for us sending all our energy intensive jobs to a country that has a much higher pollution rate. How about you look at emissions per GDP. emmissions per capita is worthless. If our countries population included all of the stone age farmers of western china, our emissions per capita would be the envy of the world!

I love this statement…”by 2020.” That is like saying I am going to be a billionaire by 2020…at least I am going to try! You forgot to mention that we are currently the worlds largest consumer of wind energy already and china currently exports 99% of all solar panels produced…oh and you forgot this too…from wiki

“The amount of electricity generated with solar power within China itself is so far comparatively small: as of the end of 2008, the solar power capacity attached to the national grid (i.e., excluding autonomous systems) was under 100 MW, i..e merely 0.01% of the nation’s power generation capacity.”

3. Your reference to oil prices is no less possible in other areas. This was from market manipulation and speculation. Other energy sectors are just as reliant on this. Where do those PV cells come from? or all the rare earth metals used in the prius. Fact is, foreign reliance is here to stay. And price spikes are always present.

4. Under AB32 we are still getting our power from PGE and if you want to put panels on your roof, you are still putting it back on their grid…You still need them.

5. Shall we start a separate thread about the plausibility of anthropomorphically caused global warming. I am more interested in the immediate negative implications for the fallacious long term benefits of AB32. The fact that I am a big skeptic of AGW aside, can anyone honestly claim that we are immediately doing our unemployment rate a favor by enacting AB32.

When we usher in this new era of green energy, who is going to make all the green energy stuff? California with its high taxes on energy, business profits, and emissions regulations? Or just across the border to nevada…or farther away to asia. This will never help CA jobs, but it might pad everyone else’s pockets.

[jstoesz]

Air,

I will give you the last word.

Thank you for the conversation.

[jstoesz]

Air,

I will give you the last word.

Thank you for the conversation.

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Air,

I will give you the last word.

Thank you for the conversation.

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Air,

I will give you the last word.

Thank you for the conversation.

[jstoesz]

Air,

I will give you the last word.

Thank you for the conversation.

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