Property Taxes and Mello Roos

[jpinpb]

Don’t ever minimize 4 children. Just as you hesitate to take on M.R. I would hesitate taking on a kid, much less sign up for 4 for a minimum of 18 years, but more like lifelong. That’s a lot. I don’t know whether to applaud you or call you crazy 😉

I’m sorry. I was under the impression you were a homeowner. My mistake. Now I understand why M.R. is such a consideration and factor.

[Bloat]

jpinpb (on Teacher pay),

I think Teachers used to be underpaid and they still like you to believe it, but no more. The acid test to know if a profession is overpaid is the existence and strengh of a union. Unions exist to achieve above market wages & benefits.

I know its all been said: Teachers work 9 months, get 3 weeks of at Xmas, 2 weeks off at Easter, plus about 15 more holidays. Yet they average +$60k, plus great benefits, including fully paid health for the whole family. Not bad for part-time? What other profession can claim it so good? Oh, and you can’t get fired ! Go tell your boss this is what you want and see what happens.

I am generalizing. The best should make more, incentive pay for results, the worst should be concerned about loosing their job.

Now, how about firefighters and our tax dollars?

(have I gone off-topic yet?)

[Bloat]

jpinpb (on Teacher pay),

I think Teachers used to be underpaid and they still like you to believe it, but no more. The acid test to know if a profession is overpaid is the existence and strengh of a union. Unions exist to achieve above market wages & benefits.

I know its all been said: Teachers work 9 months, get 3 weeks of at Xmas, 2 weeks off at Easter, plus about 15 more holidays. Yet they average +$60k, plus great benefits, including fully paid health for the whole family. Not bad for part-time? What other profession can claim it so good? Oh, and you can’t get fired ! Go tell your boss this is what you want and see what happens.

I am generalizing. The best should make more, incentive pay for results, the worst should be concerned about loosing their job.

Now, how about firefighters and our tax dollars?

(have I gone off-topic yet?)

[Bloat]

jpinpb (on Teacher pay),

I think Teachers used to be underpaid and they still like you to believe it, but no more. The acid test to know if a profession is overpaid is the existence and strengh of a union. Unions exist to achieve above market wages & benefits.

I know its all been said: Teachers work 9 months, get 3 weeks of at Xmas, 2 weeks off at Easter, plus about 15 more holidays. Yet they average +$60k, plus great benefits, including fully paid health for the whole family. Not bad for part-time? What other profession can claim it so good? Oh, and you can’t get fired ! Go tell your boss this is what you want and see what happens.

I am generalizing. The best should make more, incentive pay for results, the worst should be concerned about loosing their job.

Now, how about firefighters and our tax dollars?

(have I gone off-topic yet?)

[Bloat]

jpinpb (on Teacher pay),

I think Teachers used to be underpaid and they still like you to believe it, but no more. The acid test to know if a profession is overpaid is the existence and strengh of a union. Unions exist to achieve above market wages & benefits.

I know its all been said: Teachers work 9 months, get 3 weeks of at Xmas, 2 weeks off at Easter, plus about 15 more holidays. Yet they average +$60k, plus great benefits, including fully paid health for the whole family. Not bad for part-time? What other profession can claim it so good? Oh, and you can’t get fired ! Go tell your boss this is what you want and see what happens.

I am generalizing. The best should make more, incentive pay for results, the worst should be concerned about loosing their job.

Now, how about firefighters and our tax dollars?

(have I gone off-topic yet?)

[Bloat]

jpinpb (on Teacher pay),

I think Teachers used to be underpaid and they still like you to believe it, but no more. The acid test to know if a profession is overpaid is the existence and strengh of a union. Unions exist to achieve above market wages & benefits.

I know its all been said: Teachers work 9 months, get 3 weeks of at Xmas, 2 weeks off at Easter, plus about 15 more holidays. Yet they average +$60k, plus great benefits, including fully paid health for the whole family. Not bad for part-time? What other profession can claim it so good? Oh, and you can’t get fired ! Go tell your boss this is what you want and see what happens.

I am generalizing. The best should make more, incentive pay for results, the worst should be concerned about loosing their job.

Now, how about firefighters and our tax dollars?

(have I gone off-topic yet?)

[jpinpb]

Come on, you have to say in comparison, becoming a realtor and the money that can be made in that career is far greater than being a teacher. Arnold is issuing more cuts for education. That means teachers will get fired! More likely, and maybe unfortunately, the newer ones.

Don’t forget, too, that teachers work after school hours, preparing lessons, grading homework. They put in a lot of years to get where they’re at. And not only do they have the pressure of passing children in overcrowded classrooms, but it’s not so easy to deal w/some of these kids. Some of them have ADD, etc. Some of them lack respect, cause disturbance, troublemakes, are abusive. Heck, some areas even dangerous, gangs, school shootings.

I know the thought of how teachers have it made. I think the same thing. If I had to do it over again, become a teacher, full benes and weekend off and summers off. Seems so easy, but there’s all the years to invest in it and the politics and the other crap that goes w/it. In the end, you’re better off becoming a realtor. In the good times, easy money. Again – truly, no real offense to any realtors.

Now if you want to address firefighters, we will go off topic, but I will lean in agreement w/you on that, lesser in agreement for cops, which you did not mention

[jpinpb]

Come on, you have to say in comparison, becoming a realtor and the money that can be made in that career is far greater than being a teacher. Arnold is issuing more cuts for education. That means teachers will get fired! More likely, and maybe unfortunately, the newer ones.

Don’t forget, too, that teachers work after school hours, preparing lessons, grading homework. They put in a lot of years to get where they’re at. And not only do they have the pressure of passing children in overcrowded classrooms, but it’s not so easy to deal w/some of these kids. Some of them have ADD, etc. Some of them lack respect, cause disturbance, troublemakes, are abusive. Heck, some areas even dangerous, gangs, school shootings.

I know the thought of how teachers have it made. I think the same thing. If I had to do it over again, become a teacher, full benes and weekend off and summers off. Seems so easy, but there’s all the years to invest in it and the politics and the other crap that goes w/it. In the end, you’re better off becoming a realtor. In the good times, easy money. Again – truly, no real offense to any realtors.

Now if you want to address firefighters, we will go off topic, but I will lean in agreement w/you on that, lesser in agreement for cops, which you did not mention

[jpinpb]

Come on, you have to say in comparison, becoming a realtor and the money that can be made in that career is far greater than being a teacher. Arnold is issuing more cuts for education. That means teachers will get fired! More likely, and maybe unfortunately, the newer ones.

Don’t forget, too, that teachers work after school hours, preparing lessons, grading homework. They put in a lot of years to get where they’re at. And not only do they have the pressure of passing children in overcrowded classrooms, but it’s not so easy to deal w/some of these kids. Some of them have ADD, etc. Some of them lack respect, cause disturbance, troublemakes, are abusive. Heck, some areas even dangerous, gangs, school shootings.

I know the thought of how teachers have it made. I think the same thing. If I had to do it over again, become a teacher, full benes and weekend off and summers off. Seems so easy, but there’s all the years to invest in it and the politics and the other crap that goes w/it. In the end, you’re better off becoming a realtor. In the good times, easy money. Again – truly, no real offense to any realtors.

Now if you want to address firefighters, we will go off topic, but I will lean in agreement w/you on that, lesser in agreement for cops, which you did not mention

[jpinpb]

Come on, you have to say in comparison, becoming a realtor and the money that can be made in that career is far greater than being a teacher. Arnold is issuing more cuts for education. That means teachers will get fired! More likely, and maybe unfortunately, the newer ones.

Don’t forget, too, that teachers work after school hours, preparing lessons, grading homework. They put in a lot of years to get where they’re at. And not only do they have the pressure of passing children in overcrowded classrooms, but it’s not so easy to deal w/some of these kids. Some of them have ADD, etc. Some of them lack respect, cause disturbance, troublemakes, are abusive. Heck, some areas even dangerous, gangs, school shootings.

I know the thought of how teachers have it made. I think the same thing. If I had to do it over again, become a teacher, full benes and weekend off and summers off. Seems so easy, but there’s all the years to invest in it and the politics and the other crap that goes w/it. In the end, you’re better off becoming a realtor. In the good times, easy money. Again – truly, no real offense to any realtors.

Now if you want to address firefighters, we will go off topic, but I will lean in agreement w/you on that, lesser in agreement for cops, which you did not mention

[jpinpb]

Come on, you have to say in comparison, becoming a realtor and the money that can be made in that career is far greater than being a teacher. Arnold is issuing more cuts for education. That means teachers will get fired! More likely, and maybe unfortunately, the newer ones.

Don’t forget, too, that teachers work after school hours, preparing lessons, grading homework. They put in a lot of years to get where they’re at. And not only do they have the pressure of passing children in overcrowded classrooms, but it’s not so easy to deal w/some of these kids. Some of them have ADD, etc. Some of them lack respect, cause disturbance, troublemakes, are abusive. Heck, some areas even dangerous, gangs, school shootings.

I know the thought of how teachers have it made. I think the same thing. If I had to do it over again, become a teacher, full benes and weekend off and summers off. Seems so easy, but there’s all the years to invest in it and the politics and the other crap that goes w/it. In the end, you’re better off becoming a realtor. In the good times, easy money. Again – truly, no real offense to any realtors.

Now if you want to address firefighters, we will go off topic, but I will lean in agreement w/you on that, lesser in agreement for cops, which you did not mention

[DoJC]

A few thoughts on this subject:

1. CA spends more money per student than any other state in the US. Washington DC spends more, but obviously they’re not a state.

2. CA was ranked, last I checked, 49 out of 50 with respect to test scores. I think the only state CA can poke fun as is Alabama.

3. The state lottery was supposed to help pay for schools and school related issues.

4. Prop 13 caps tax increases to 2% per year IIRC. My in-laws own a home in San Clemente which they bought new in 1965 for $45,000. It went up to about $1.5M, yet their property tax bill this year was, wait for it…… just under $900.

This cap in Prop 13 was bypassed by passing the Mello-Roos bill which adds a special bond that you pay for for the rest of your life! It can go up whenever necessary, and was meant as nothing more than a way to bypass Prop 13.

CA is a state where the government is so caught up in spending every single penny they can leach out of its people, and then spends another $10B on top of that. We should have been setting 1-2% aside each year so that in the lean years we’d have something to tide us over. Now we’re gonna be something like $20B short of our budget needs this year, the bureaucrats in Sac are wringing their hands about trimming $5M here, and $25M there, and when it’s all said and done they’re gonna recommend a tripling of the car tax and many other increases in taxes. Instead of any semblance of fiscal responsibility we got clowns pretending to understand budgets and how to not spend more money than they get!

– Doug
(Quickly becoming the newest soapbox preacher.)

[DoJC]

A few thoughts on this subject:

1. CA spends more money per student than any other state in the US. Washington DC spends more, but obviously they’re not a state.

2. CA was ranked, last I checked, 49 out of 50 with respect to test scores. I think the only state CA can poke fun as is Alabama.

3. The state lottery was supposed to help pay for schools and school related issues.

4. Prop 13 caps tax increases to 2% per year IIRC. My in-laws own a home in San Clemente which they bought new in 1965 for $45,000. It went up to about $1.5M, yet their property tax bill this year was, wait for it…… just under $900.

This cap in Prop 13 was bypassed by passing the Mello-Roos bill which adds a special bond that you pay for for the rest of your life! It can go up whenever necessary, and was meant as nothing more than a way to bypass Prop 13.

CA is a state where the government is so caught up in spending every single penny they can leach out of its people, and then spends another $10B on top of that. We should have been setting 1-2% aside each year so that in the lean years we’d have something to tide us over. Now we’re gonna be something like $20B short of our budget needs this year, the bureaucrats in Sac are wringing their hands about trimming $5M here, and $25M there, and when it’s all said and done they’re gonna recommend a tripling of the car tax and many other increases in taxes. Instead of any semblance of fiscal responsibility we got clowns pretending to understand budgets and how to not spend more money than they get!

– Doug
(Quickly becoming the newest soapbox preacher.)

[DoJC]

A few thoughts on this subject:

1. CA spends more money per student than any other state in the US. Washington DC spends more, but obviously they’re not a state.

2. CA was ranked, last I checked, 49 out of 50 with respect to test scores. I think the only state CA can poke fun as is Alabama.

3. The state lottery was supposed to help pay for schools and school related issues.

4. Prop 13 caps tax increases to 2% per year IIRC. My in-laws own a home in San Clemente which they bought new in 1965 for $45,000. It went up to about $1.5M, yet their property tax bill this year was, wait for it…… just under $900.

This cap in Prop 13 was bypassed by passing the Mello-Roos bill which adds a special bond that you pay for for the rest of your life! It can go up whenever necessary, and was meant as nothing more than a way to bypass Prop 13.

CA is a state where the government is so caught up in spending every single penny they can leach out of its people, and then spends another $10B on top of that. We should have been setting 1-2% aside each year so that in the lean years we’d have something to tide us over. Now we’re gonna be something like $20B short of our budget needs this year, the bureaucrats in Sac are wringing their hands about trimming $5M here, and $25M there, and when it’s all said and done they’re gonna recommend a tripling of the car tax and many other increases in taxes. Instead of any semblance of fiscal responsibility we got clowns pretending to understand budgets and how to not spend more money than they get!

– Doug
(Quickly becoming the newest soapbox preacher.)

[DoJC]

A few thoughts on this subject:

1. CA spends more money per student than any other state in the US. Washington DC spends more, but obviously they’re not a state.

2. CA was ranked, last I checked, 49 out of 50 with respect to test scores. I think the only state CA can poke fun as is Alabama.

3. The state lottery was supposed to help pay for schools and school related issues.

4. Prop 13 caps tax increases to 2% per year IIRC. My in-laws own a home in San Clemente which they bought new in 1965 for $45,000. It went up to about $1.5M, yet their property tax bill this year was, wait for it…… just under $900.

This cap in Prop 13 was bypassed by passing the Mello-Roos bill which adds a special bond that you pay for for the rest of your life! It can go up whenever necessary, and was meant as nothing more than a way to bypass Prop 13.

CA is a state where the government is so caught up in spending every single penny they can leach out of its people, and then spends another $10B on top of that. We should have been setting 1-2% aside each year so that in the lean years we’d have something to tide us over. Now we’re gonna be something like $20B short of our budget needs this year, the bureaucrats in Sac are wringing their hands about trimming $5M here, and $25M there, and when it’s all said and done they’re gonna recommend a tripling of the car tax and many other increases in taxes. Instead of any semblance of fiscal responsibility we got clowns pretending to understand budgets and how to not spend more money than they get!

– Doug
(Quickly becoming the newest soapbox preacher.)

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