Paradise Lost

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Oh boy. I was talking to some people in Santa Barbara and they are seething with anger at the oil spill.

http://time.com/3891739/california-oil-spill-jerry-brown-state-of-emergency/

Should periodic oil spills be the cost of doing business?

I think that will affect real estate in Santa Barbara. People who would buy there might be looking elsewhere.

[spdrun]

B…but…oil is natural. And extracting it helps the ecaaaaaaahnaaaaaahmy.

[FlyerInHi]

Drill baby drill.

[no_such_reality]

Santa Barbara is the height of NIMByism and hypocrisy.

They aren’t giving up their oil, they aren’t giving up their American lifestyle, they just want to ship their trash to some one else’s yard.

People need to take a good hard look at the dirty grimy sh*t cities in China that make the solar equipment and do the electronics recycling. That’s the real current reality of “green” technology.

[spdrun]

Exactly. Which is why the best environmental policy is to make electronics and vehicles that LAST a long time. Recycling them or building new ones is environmentally expensive.

Apple is talking out of their anuses about environmental responsibility, when they deliberately make older app versions for 3-4 year old iPads hard to download.

[livinincali]

[quote=spdrun]Exactly. Which is why the best environmental policy is to make electronics and vehicles that LAST a long time. Recycling them or building new ones is environmentally expensive.

Apple is talking out of their anuses about environmental responsibility, when they deliberately make older app versions for 3-4 year old iPads hard to download.[/quote]

Apple is probably one of the worse offenders on the planet. hard to replace batteries that have a lifecycle of about 2-3 years before you’re pretty much required to be attached power cord to use the thing since the battery won’t hold a charge. Holding back obvious improvements to a future release. They could have made a larger form factor years ago but didn’t because they knew it was one of the last major selling points they had left. Of course now that everybody on the planet that can afford a smart phone has one it’s the only way you have to keep your sales up. It’s going to be hard to keep selling 50 million iPhones a quarter if you can’t get people to replace perfectly good ones.

[spdrun]

It’s sad — Apple used to make long-lived, relatively hacker-friendly products. (In fact, they still do, with desktop devices.)

It’s really a shame that Woz was crippled in that plane crash in the 1980s, rather than Jobs suffering the same fate at the time. Maybe Wozniak staying with the company would have kept them on the right track as far as responsibility.

[CA renter]

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[quote=spdrun]Exactly. Which is why the best environmental policy is to make electronics and vehicles that LAST a long time. Recycling them or building new ones is environmentally expensive.

Apple is talking out of their anuses about environmental responsibility, when they deliberately make older app versions for 3-4 year old iPads hard to download.[/quote]

Yes!!!! A quadrillion times yes!!!

Dealing with a dishwasher right now that barely scraped by until the warranty period expired. It will cost almost as much to fix it (with a high likelihood of it breaking down again) as it will to replace it. Talk to any of the appliance salespeople about trying to find the most durable appliance — usually with mechanical controls — and they say with pride: “Honey, these aren’t the kind of dishwashers you grew up with. They don’t last 20-30 years anymore. They last about 7 years now, which is good because technology makes them greener with each new generation.”

Not kidding, they actually say that…like it’s a good thing. 🙁

There is nothing on the planet that is “dirtier” than planned obsolescence.

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