OT: Windows 10 on ARM… Gamechanger or hype?

[Coronita]

Seems like this time, it’s the real deal, not a stripped down version of RT..

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/86298/arm-based-windows-10-portable-pcs-hell-yes

Also, seems like there’s a demo version running on Qualcomm Snapdragon 820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U

This appears to be a full fledge Windows 10 ARM version running, not a stripped down Windows RT.

Mobile phone or tablets with enough processing power these days to run a full Windows 10…

Intel maybe in big trouble…

[an]

Totally agree. This is a big hit to Intel and big boon for QCOM.

Photoshop runs pretty well in the demo on just the 820. The animation is pretty smooth too. This should be exciting to see it evolve over the next 2-5 years. I think it’s a game changer. Especially for companies. Why buy your employee a laptop/desktop and a phone when you can just buy them a phone and just have a monitor/keyboard/mouse at every cubicle.

[NotCranky]

[quote=AN]Totally agree. This is a big hit to Intel and big boon for QCOM.

Photoshop runs pretty well in the demo on just the 820. The animation is pretty smooth too. This should be exciting to see it evolve over the next 2-5 years. I think it’s a game changer. Especially for companies. Why buy your employee a laptop/desktop and a phone when you can just buy them a phone and just have a monitor/keyboard/mouse at every cubicle.[/quote]

That’s amazing. I might not replace my home PC next time I need one if I can do that. Does that make sense ?

[Coronita]

It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I’m thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS….
At least for tablets/laptops. If that’s the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?

[spdrun]

Laptop is one thing, phone is another. Find me a phone with 16GB RAM, swappable battery, and 1TB storage to avoid cloudfucking my data. No? I’ll stick with my Thinkpad.

I’d consider an ARM notebook provided you can still turn the spyware in Win 10 off.

[an]

[quote=NotCranky][quote=AN]Totally agree. This is a big hit to Intel and big boon for QCOM.

Photoshop runs pretty well in the demo on just the 820. The animation is pretty smooth too. This should be exciting to see it evolve over the next 2-5 years. I think it’s a game changer. Especially for companies. Why buy your employee a laptop/desktop and a phone when you can just buy them a phone and just have a monitor/keyboard/mouse at every cubicle.[/quote]

That’s amazing. I might not replace my home PC next time I need one if I can do that. Does that make sense ?[/quote]That’s the holy grail, but I don’t expect it to be mostly there until late next year or even early 2018 when MSFT release the Redstone release 4 or 5. They only demo laptop running on ARM. They have continuum for phone and the rumor is that for x86 apps, it’ll run only in Continuum mode on big screen with keyboard/mouse, since x86 apps weren’t designed to be touchable and on a small screen.

The Snapdragon 835 releasing early 2017 is supposed to be 25%+ faster than the previous version as well as being a lot more power efficient. So by late 2017 early 2018, QCOM will release their next version chip which should be even more powerful and more power efficient.

[an]

[quote=spdrun]Laptop is one thing, phone is another. Find me a phone with 16GB RAM, swappable battery, and 1TB storage to avoid cloudfucking my data. No? I’ll stick with my Thinkpad.

I’d consider an ARM notebook provided you can still turn the spyware in Win 10 off.[/quote]You’re not their target audience. So, it’s not for you.

[an]

[quote=flu]It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I’m thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS….
At least for tablets/laptops. If that’s the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?[/quote]I don’t know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven’t seen anything like this from Apple. They’re heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I’m thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS….
At least for tablets/laptops. If that’s the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?[/quote]I don’t know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven’t seen anything like this from Apple. They’re heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.[/quote]

Perhaps….

There was this suggesting that Sierra might support their ARM A11 Hurricane processor…

macOS Sierra code suggests Apple could replace Intel in Macs with custom ARM chips

I don’t think from an app developer, there’s too much difference in the API’s between iOS and those in OSX (where the later is a more restrictive set).

[an]

[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=flu]It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I’m thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS….
At least for tablets/laptops. If that’s the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?[/quote]I don’t know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven’t seen anything like this from Apple. They’re heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.[/quote]

Perhaps….

There was this suggesting that Sierra might support their ARM A11 Hurricane processor…

macOS Sierra code suggests Apple could replace Intel in Macs with custom ARM chips

I don’t think from an app developer, there’s too much difference in the API’s between iOS and those in OSX (where the later is a more restrictive set).[/quote]
I’m not sure if the APIs are at parity, especially when you’re talking about UI API. Then there’s also the fact that iOS app does not scale well because the API set is designed by a phone size screen. That’s why you don’t have as nearly as many iPad apps as iPhone apps, because it’s not easy to just create another view for larger screen. So, the app developers would have to update their app if Apple allow iOS app submission into OSX. Microsoft have been working on OneCore with one set of API for a few years now. So, I’m sure if it’s as easy as you think it is. Especially when you have to worry about backward compatibility.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=flu]It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I’m thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS….
At least for tablets/laptops. If that’s the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?[/quote]I don’t know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven’t seen anything like this from Apple. They’re heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.[/quote]

Perhaps….

There was this suggesting that Sierra might support their ARM A11 Hurricane processor…

macOS Sierra code suggests Apple could replace Intel in Macs with custom ARM chips

I don’t think from an app developer, there’s too much difference in the API’s between iOS and those in OSX (where the later is a more restrictive set).[/quote]
I’m not sure if the APIs are at parity, especially when you’re talking about UI API. Then there’s also the fact that iOS app does not scale well because the API set is designed by a phone size screen. That’s why you don’t have as nearly as many iPad apps as iPhone apps, because it’s not easy to just create another view for larger screen. So, the app developers would have to update their app if Apple allow iOS app submission into OSX. Microsoft have been working on OneCore with one set of API for a few years now. So, I’m sure if it’s as easy as you think it is. Especially when you have to worry about backward compatibility.[/quote]

Good point…

[no_such_reality]

Hmm, cast to TV for monitor. Bluetooth wireless key board and mouse at the desk and a NAS on the home network.

Bye bye $150 laptop, hello $1000 phablet-comp.

[spdrun]

Haha. Casting is great if you like display lag. Pretend you’re using a 1990s-era LCD panel where the pointer disappeared if you moved it too fast.

[Coronita]

Intel might be in trouble for another reason too…. AMD….if these leaked prices are true…

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/02/09/amd-ryzen-prices-revealed-massive-blow-to-intel/#162db4506e7c

benchmark says the processors are comparable. Price looks 50-70% cheaper than Intel comparables. we’ll find out in a few weeks.

[an]

Yay for competition. Looking forward to all of these new chips powering new devices.

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