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March 18, 2011 at 2:45 PM #679520March 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM #678392
Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=ocrenter]it was not a “dig.” simply that we are looking at macro strategy, and not military logistics. I’m sure you can go off on the nitty-gritty military related details and quite frankly run circles around me with that.
so the question remains, you have the Libyan rebellion. what do you do?
A. Immediately impose the no-fly-zone unilaterally. in effect we now own this problem. we continue to be the world’s policeman.
B. We use this opportunity to bring in other players and make the Euros and the UN own this issue.[/quote]
OCR: Sorry, I was obviously a bit prickly and took offense when I shouldn’t have.
However, in addition to Scenarios A and B above, you need to add Scenario C: Elimination of Libyan air power without resorting to the imposition of a no-fly zone.
Look at it this way: We know the areas that the rebels control, in terms of where they are geographically. This means we also know, based on the types of aircraft and helicopters that Gaddafi has, which bases they’ll most likely be operating from in order to attack the rebels. Rather than attempt to police a huge area, through a no-fly zone, let’s simply crater those airfields and destroy his logistical ability to deploy his air power.
Gaddafi’s air force is largely composed of old MiG-25s and French Mirage F1s. Rather than taking on the cumbersome and expensive undertaking of imposing a no-fly, let’s just ground his stuff.
March 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM #678444Participant[quote=ocrenter]it was not a “dig.” simply that we are looking at macro strategy, and not military logistics. I’m sure you can go off on the nitty-gritty military related details and quite frankly run circles around me with that.
so the question remains, you have the Libyan rebellion. what do you do?
A. Immediately impose the no-fly-zone unilaterally. in effect we now own this problem. we continue to be the world’s policeman.
B. We use this opportunity to bring in other players and make the Euros and the UN own this issue.[/quote]
OCR: Sorry, I was obviously a bit prickly and took offense when I shouldn’t have.
However, in addition to Scenarios A and B above, you need to add Scenario C: Elimination of Libyan air power without resorting to the imposition of a no-fly zone.
Look at it this way: We know the areas that the rebels control, in terms of where they are geographically. This means we also know, based on the types of aircraft and helicopters that Gaddafi has, which bases they’ll most likely be operating from in order to attack the rebels. Rather than attempt to police a huge area, through a no-fly zone, let’s simply crater those airfields and destroy his logistical ability to deploy his air power.
Gaddafi’s air force is largely composed of old MiG-25s and French Mirage F1s. Rather than taking on the cumbersome and expensive undertaking of imposing a no-fly, let’s just ground his stuff.
March 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM #679047Participant[quote=ocrenter]it was not a “dig.” simply that we are looking at macro strategy, and not military logistics. I’m sure you can go off on the nitty-gritty military related details and quite frankly run circles around me with that.
so the question remains, you have the Libyan rebellion. what do you do?
A. Immediately impose the no-fly-zone unilaterally. in effect we now own this problem. we continue to be the world’s policeman.
B. We use this opportunity to bring in other players and make the Euros and the UN own this issue.[/quote]
OCR: Sorry, I was obviously a bit prickly and took offense when I shouldn’t have.
However, in addition to Scenarios A and B above, you need to add Scenario C: Elimination of Libyan air power without resorting to the imposition of a no-fly zone.
Look at it this way: We know the areas that the rebels control, in terms of where they are geographically. This means we also know, based on the types of aircraft and helicopters that Gaddafi has, which bases they’ll most likely be operating from in order to attack the rebels. Rather than attempt to police a huge area, through a no-fly zone, let’s simply crater those airfields and destroy his logistical ability to deploy his air power.
Gaddafi’s air force is largely composed of old MiG-25s and French Mirage F1s. Rather than taking on the cumbersome and expensive undertaking of imposing a no-fly, let’s just ground his stuff.
March 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM #679183Participant[quote=ocrenter]it was not a “dig.” simply that we are looking at macro strategy, and not military logistics. I’m sure you can go off on the nitty-gritty military related details and quite frankly run circles around me with that.
so the question remains, you have the Libyan rebellion. what do you do?
A. Immediately impose the no-fly-zone unilaterally. in effect we now own this problem. we continue to be the world’s policeman.
B. We use this opportunity to bring in other players and make the Euros and the UN own this issue.[/quote]
OCR: Sorry, I was obviously a bit prickly and took offense when I shouldn’t have.
However, in addition to Scenarios A and B above, you need to add Scenario C: Elimination of Libyan air power without resorting to the imposition of a no-fly zone.
Look at it this way: We know the areas that the rebels control, in terms of where they are geographically. This means we also know, based on the types of aircraft and helicopters that Gaddafi has, which bases they’ll most likely be operating from in order to attack the rebels. Rather than attempt to police a huge area, through a no-fly zone, let’s simply crater those airfields and destroy his logistical ability to deploy his air power.
Gaddafi’s air force is largely composed of old MiG-25s and French Mirage F1s. Rather than taking on the cumbersome and expensive undertaking of imposing a no-fly, let’s just ground his stuff.
March 18, 2011 at 3:07 PM #679525Participant[quote=ocrenter]it was not a “dig.” simply that we are looking at macro strategy, and not military logistics. I’m sure you can go off on the nitty-gritty military related details and quite frankly run circles around me with that.
so the question remains, you have the Libyan rebellion. what do you do?
A. Immediately impose the no-fly-zone unilaterally. in effect we now own this problem. we continue to be the world’s policeman.
B. We use this opportunity to bring in other players and make the Euros and the UN own this issue.[/quote]
OCR: Sorry, I was obviously a bit prickly and took offense when I shouldn’t have.
However, in addition to Scenarios A and B above, you need to add Scenario C: Elimination of Libyan air power without resorting to the imposition of a no-fly zone.
Look at it this way: We know the areas that the rebels control, in terms of where they are geographically. This means we also know, based on the types of aircraft and helicopters that Gaddafi has, which bases they’ll most likely be operating from in order to attack the rebels. Rather than attempt to police a huge area, through a no-fly zone, let’s simply crater those airfields and destroy his logistical ability to deploy his air power.
Gaddafi’s air force is largely composed of old MiG-25s and French Mirage F1s. Rather than taking on the cumbersome and expensive undertaking of imposing a no-fly, let’s just ground his stuff.
March 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM #678397ocrenter
ParticipantI understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).
March 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM #678449ParticipantI understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).
March 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM #679051ParticipantI understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).
March 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM #679188ParticipantI understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).
March 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM #679530ParticipantI understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).
March 18, 2011 at 9:06 PM #678461Participant[quote=ocrenter]I understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).[/quote]
OCR: But, see, that’s the beauty of the plan: Done correctly, no one would know about it until after the fact. Then, what are they going to do, complain?
Its over and done with, the rebels seize the initiative, Gaddafi bags it for Venezuela and becomes the newest Chavista. He and Hugo can sit around and talk about how much they hate the US.
March 18, 2011 at 9:06 PM #678516Participant[quote=ocrenter]I understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).[/quote]
OCR: But, see, that’s the beauty of the plan: Done correctly, no one would know about it until after the fact. Then, what are they going to do, complain?
Its over and done with, the rebels seize the initiative, Gaddafi bags it for Venezuela and becomes the newest Chavista. He and Hugo can sit around and talk about how much they hate the US.
March 18, 2011 at 9:06 PM #679120Participant[quote=ocrenter]I understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).[/quote]
OCR: But, see, that’s the beauty of the plan: Done correctly, no one would know about it until after the fact. Then, what are they going to do, complain?
Its over and done with, the rebels seize the initiative, Gaddafi bags it for Venezuela and becomes the newest Chavista. He and Hugo can sit around and talk about how much they hate the US.
March 18, 2011 at 9:06 PM #679254Participant[quote=ocrenter]I understand, essentially a partial no-fly. but the question remains, we do it unilaterally or we do it with buy-in and ownership from those that will benefit the most from our action (ie the Euros).[/quote]
OCR: But, see, that’s the beauty of the plan: Done correctly, no one would know about it until after the fact. Then, what are they going to do, complain?
Its over and done with, the rebels seize the initiative, Gaddafi bags it for Venezuela and becomes the newest Chavista. He and Hugo can sit around and talk about how much they hate the US.
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