ot; trayvon martin

[spdrun]

Yeah, a 20 lb dummy, vs a 200+ lb fatso.

[Hobie]

..and the protests and various riots? How many didn’t agree with the OJ verdict and did not riot?

This is not in search for truth, but for politics using race as the catalyst.

It is easy for journalists to cover this crap vs. actually working to cover world events, our economy, fact checking politicians.

At least we don’t have wall to wall coverage of Bob Filner, .. yet.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Hobie]..and the protests and various riots? How many didn’t agree with the OJ verdict and did not riot?

This is not in search for truth, but for politics using race as the catalyst.

It is easy for journalists to cover this crap vs. actually working to cover world events, our economy, fact checking politicians.

At least we don’t have wall to wall coverage of Bob Filner, .. yet.[/quote]

Eric Holder grandstanding on the backs of Trayvon’s and George’s miserable, but otherwise not terrible compared to other things history, is nothing short of evil.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Hobie]..and the protests and various riots? How many didn’t agree with the OJ verdict and did not riot?

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About the same number as now. With the minor exception of Oakland and a bit in LA, there isn’t much in the way of riots.

[NotCranky]

[quote=spdrun]Yeah, a 20 lb dummy, vs a 200+ lb fatso.[/quote]

When i was Trayvon’s age I was built a lot like him only maybe a little taller and thinner. I could have beat the hell out of a lot tougher than GZ. There were some tough guys around and they did not see me as a good risk(even though odds were in their favor). That’s how it works. The tough guy Trayvon saw this duck walking slob and knew he could kick his ass. That’s profiling/stalking too.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=SK in CV]
I don’t think there is any evidence that it happened that way. Zimmerman didn’t simply get out of his car, he followed him. Who threw the first punch, nobody knows except Zimmerman and a dead kid. But Zimmerman never got a beat down, at least not the way his attorney would have you believe. Martin may have been on top, but Zimmerman’s head never got beat into the pavement. If it had, he would have had a concussion at least, or more likely knocked unconscious. Maybe even killed. Head pounded into concrete doesn’t leave a couple of small cuts not requiring stitches.
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He stopped following when the dispatcher asked him to.

Do you even realize the silliness of what you are saying? If GZ had a concussion he would not even be on trial today, he might not even be alive, as you say. So should somebody wait till that happens?
The ‘threat’ of getting head bashed into the pavement is enough for any sane individual to use whatever force at disposal to defend themselves.
Now, how he got into that position is a totally different matter, but how can anyone fault a man for defending himself given his situation?

When people get into a fight in a rush of adrenalin, the thought of how a future jury would look at their actions is very remote in their minds which would be fully occupied with self-preservation.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=no_such_reality]This case is tragedy, the media coverage has been abysmal, biased and race baiting. The counters to that play right back with other racial stereotypes and hyperbole.

The disinformation from both sides is appalling and the talking heads are running rampant with opinions that aren’t even close the the facts presented in the case.

The reaction going on is what the media has been stoking for a year starting with NBC editing the 911 call tapes.
[/quote]

I can’t believe that more people do not clearly see what you are saying. Why bias in reporting? Why race baiting? why doctor the tapes?
The only rational explanation I can find is that the media is using this to get more eyeballs, more people watching which translates to more revenue.
Heck, they even managed to get squat/scaredy back to post!

[FlyerInHi]

The second degree murder trial was fair. But it doesn’t mean that Z is not guilty of other crimes.

Nothing wrong with all the media coverage that spurs us to examine our society.

Clearly the tragedy could have been avoided had Z not followed. This whole story will have people examine and determine if they want to be vigilantes.

The Martin family just needs to win a big civil award and follow Zimmerman’s money for the rest of his life. They already got the HOA to pay up.

[spdrun]

How was the HOA responsible? If someone should be sued, it’s Zimmerman, not everyone who’s peripherally involved.

TM’s family should take the high ground, not follow the Dumberican way of suing anything that breathes.

[SK in CV]

maybe the most ironic series of comments.

[quote=dumbrenter]He stopped following when the dispatcher asked him to.[/quote]

[quote=dumbrenter]
I can’t believe that more people do not clearly see what you are saying. Why bias in reporting? Why race baiting? why doctor the tapes?
The only rational explanation I can find is that the media is using this to get more eyeballs, more people watching which translates to more revenue.
Heck, they even managed to get squat/scaredy back to post![/quote]

The dispatcher never asked him to stop following. What she said was “we don’t need you to do that”. He didn’t claim during his police interrogation that he stopped following. And nobody testified during the trial that he stopped following. There was evidence presented that he never stopped following until the physical altercation began.

[FlyerInHi]

Of course the HOA is responsible. They knew about Z’s pattern of behavior and they condoned by allowing Z to continue as a watchman.

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Of course the HOA is responsible. They knew about Z’s pattern of behavior and they condoned by allowing Z to continue as a watchman.[/quote]
Who paid, insurance company ? Court ordered, or settlement?

From what I can find it was a settlement. That doesn’t imply that is should have been paid, only that it was…happens all the time.

[FlyerInHi]

I read that HOA insurance policy limit was $1 million. The Martin family initially rejected that amount and they finally settled for more than $1 million.

The amount is confidential so we don’t know for sure. Sounds like insurance paid the bulk of the award with HOA paying the rest.

Z was the head watchman of the HOA. Maybe the HOA board members liked this wannabe cop credentials. I personally am worried when I meet someone who’s owns guns and who’s gungho on single handedly stopping crime, or someone who talks about it a lot. A tragedy is waiting to happen.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=SK in CV]
The dispatcher never asked him to stop following. What she said was “we don’t need you to do that”. He didn’t claim during his police interrogation that he stopped following. And nobody testified during the trial that he stopped following. There was evidence presented that he never stopped following until the physical altercation began.[/quote]

[quote]

Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: OK, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: OK.
Dispatcher: Alright sir, what is your name?
Zimmerman: George. He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
Dispatcher: And George, what’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Dispatcher: Alright George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Alright where you gonna meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse, and uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left. And then they go past the mailboxes. They’ll see my truck.
Dispatcher: OK, what address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman:Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through, so I don’t know the answer.
Dispatcher: OK, do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah.
Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:It’s a home, it’s 1950, ah c— I don’t want to give it out loud, I don’t know where this kid is.[/quote]

Then apparently, Zimmerman is one cool collect sociopath liar.

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I read that HOA insurance policy limit was $1 million. The Martin family initially rejectef that amount and they finally settled for more than $1 million.

The amount is confidential so we don’t know for sure. Sounds like insurance paid the bulk of the award with HOA paying the rest.

Z was the head watchman of the HOA. Maybe the HOA board member liked this wannabe cop credentials. I personally am worried when I meet someone who’s owns guns and who’s gungho on single handedly stopping crime, or someone who talks about it a lot. A tragedy is waiting to happen.[/quote]

I’d probably share your concerns if faced with Zimmerman. People who are repeat victims might be more desperate than you and I.
Maybe they could not afford to leave their neighborhood? Recurring crime is a tough pressure to deal with.

Not sure where I would side on some of this civil stuff. Tend to think nothing should be paid to the family , but I understand how share of fault gets taken into consideration.

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