OT: There are a lot of things that do NOT make sense.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[NotCranky]

Enorah FSD makes some good points.

I was an abused kid. Sometimes,I think I should have asked to be put in foster homes more regularly . However,when I almost blew myself up lighting the FAU my dad was really worried about me. When a neighbor kids dad threatened me, my dad went to kick his ass. In other words, when I was in trouble the dude, who was mean as hell or neglectful in turns,otherwise, was on my side.

Letting a girl have an abortion secretly may do more harm than good. Suppose it really screws her up when her family might have actually rose to the occasion and helped her through the difficult time, one way or the other? Many do.

You just have the risk of the girl blaming her desire to have an abortion, out of shame, normal fear or whatever, on her parents. I can see having counselors in the case of claims of abuse helping the girl with her parents but helping her to avoid them is something I would never want.Just letting her have an abortion and dumping her back on the streets doesn’t help anything with regards to abuse.The caring people may not wish to dump her back in the streets but hte abused girl has no patience for them or any other authority in most case and the result will be the same.
It just seem like who ever is sustaining this rule is playing God or something like that.

[NotCranky]

Enorah FSD makes some good points.

I was an abused kid. Sometimes,I think I should have asked to be put in foster homes more regularly . However,when I almost blew myself up lighting the FAU my dad was really worried about me. When a neighbor kids dad threatened me, my dad went to kick his ass. In other words, when I was in trouble the dude, who was mean as hell or neglectful in turns,otherwise, was on my side.

Letting a girl have an abortion secretly may do more harm than good. Suppose it really screws her up when her family might have actually rose to the occasion and helped her through the difficult time, one way or the other? Many do.

You just have the risk of the girl blaming her desire to have an abortion, out of shame, normal fear or whatever, on her parents. I can see having counselors in the case of claims of abuse helping the girl with her parents but helping her to avoid them is something I would never want.Just letting her have an abortion and dumping her back on the streets doesn’t help anything with regards to abuse.The caring people may not wish to dump her back in the streets but hte abused girl has no patience for them or any other authority in most case and the result will be the same.
It just seem like who ever is sustaining this rule is playing God or something like that.

[NotCranky]

Enorah FSD makes some good points.

I was an abused kid. Sometimes,I think I should have asked to be put in foster homes more regularly . However,when I almost blew myself up lighting the FAU my dad was really worried about me. When a neighbor kids dad threatened me, my dad went to kick his ass. In other words, when I was in trouble the dude, who was mean as hell or neglectful in turns,otherwise, was on my side.

Letting a girl have an abortion secretly may do more harm than good. Suppose it really screws her up when her family might have actually rose to the occasion and helped her through the difficult time, one way or the other? Many do.

You just have the risk of the girl blaming her desire to have an abortion, out of shame, normal fear or whatever, on her parents. I can see having counselors in the case of claims of abuse helping the girl with her parents but helping her to avoid them is something I would never want.Just letting her have an abortion and dumping her back on the streets doesn’t help anything with regards to abuse.The caring people may not wish to dump her back in the streets but hte abused girl has no patience for them or any other authority in most case and the result will be the same.
It just seem like who ever is sustaining this rule is playing God or something like that.

[NotCranky]

Enorah FSD makes some good points.

I was an abused kid. Sometimes,I think I should have asked to be put in foster homes more regularly . However,when I almost blew myself up lighting the FAU my dad was really worried about me. When a neighbor kids dad threatened me, my dad went to kick his ass. In other words, when I was in trouble the dude, who was mean as hell or neglectful in turns,otherwise, was on my side.

Letting a girl have an abortion secretly may do more harm than good. Suppose it really screws her up when her family might have actually rose to the occasion and helped her through the difficult time, one way or the other? Many do.

You just have the risk of the girl blaming her desire to have an abortion, out of shame, normal fear or whatever, on her parents. I can see having counselors in the case of claims of abuse helping the girl with her parents but helping her to avoid them is something I would never want.Just letting her have an abortion and dumping her back on the streets doesn’t help anything with regards to abuse.The caring people may not wish to dump her back in the streets but hte abused girl has no patience for them or any other authority in most case and the result will be the same.
It just seem like who ever is sustaining this rule is playing God or something like that.

[NotCranky]

Enorah FSD makes some good points.

I was an abused kid. Sometimes,I think I should have asked to be put in foster homes more regularly . However,when I almost blew myself up lighting the FAU my dad was really worried about me. When a neighbor kids dad threatened me, my dad went to kick his ass. In other words, when I was in trouble the dude, who was mean as hell or neglectful in turns,otherwise, was on my side.

Letting a girl have an abortion secretly may do more harm than good. Suppose it really screws her up when her family might have actually rose to the occasion and helped her through the difficult time, one way or the other? Many do.

You just have the risk of the girl blaming her desire to have an abortion, out of shame, normal fear or whatever, on her parents. I can see having counselors in the case of claims of abuse helping the girl with her parents but helping her to avoid them is something I would never want.Just letting her have an abortion and dumping her back on the streets doesn’t help anything with regards to abuse.The caring people may not wish to dump her back in the streets but hte abused girl has no patience for them or any other authority in most case and the result will be the same.
It just seem like who ever is sustaining this rule is playing God or something like that.

[Enorah]

Honestly, I feel it is all awful.

I just do not want to take any potential lifelines away from anyone who needs help in that situation (the teen pregnancy one).

I am sorry to know you were abused, Rus. I was as well. I did not have the parental care that I needed in those extreme circumstances, like you did.

[Enorah]

Honestly, I feel it is all awful.

I just do not want to take any potential lifelines away from anyone who needs help in that situation (the teen pregnancy one).

I am sorry to know you were abused, Rus. I was as well. I did not have the parental care that I needed in those extreme circumstances, like you did.

[Enorah]

Honestly, I feel it is all awful.

I just do not want to take any potential lifelines away from anyone who needs help in that situation (the teen pregnancy one).

I am sorry to know you were abused, Rus. I was as well. I did not have the parental care that I needed in those extreme circumstances, like you did.

[Enorah]

Honestly, I feel it is all awful.

I just do not want to take any potential lifelines away from anyone who needs help in that situation (the teen pregnancy one).

I am sorry to know you were abused, Rus. I was as well. I did not have the parental care that I needed in those extreme circumstances, like you did.

[Enorah]

Honestly, I feel it is all awful.

I just do not want to take any potential lifelines away from anyone who needs help in that situation (the teen pregnancy one).

I am sorry to know you were abused, Rus. I was as well. I did not have the parental care that I needed in those extreme circumstances, like you did.

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