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January 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM #20462January 17, 2013 at 9:17 PM #757923
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ParticipantIt’s called economic injustice; and it’s all around us.
January 17, 2013 at 9:24 PM #757924SK in CV
ParticipantI’m not sure what this has to do with being a republican, but yeah it’s tough. But it’s worth it.
Btw, kids with a 3.0 can’t often get into a UC anyway.
January 17, 2013 at 9:40 PM #757925scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=SK in CV]I’m not sure what this has to do with being a republican, but yeah it’s tough. But it’s worth it.
Btw, kids with a 3.0 can’t often get into a UC anyway.[/quote]
by republican, i meant the general stereotype that republicans oppose having the rich subsidize programs for the poor.
in this case, it seems particularly unfair, because both kids, if viewed as adults, are about equally poor. Neither one of them actually has anything. the only asset the “wealthy” kid has is the fact that he happens to ahve parents who earn a decent living. But that’s not really his money. In fact, it would be theft if he started rifling through my wallet claiing it was “his”. How is this different?
A parent cannot say “no” to the demand for tuition and have his kid proceed by himself until marriage or age 24, or certain other conditions…
if you say no to the system, you are basically not allowing your kid to go…
January 17, 2013 at 9:45 PM #757926Participant[quote=SK in CV]I’m not sure what this has to do with being a republican, but yeah it’s tough. But it’s worth it.
Btw, kids with a 3.0 can’t often get into a UC anyway.[/quote]
pretty much every kid with a GPA over 3.0 gets into UC Merced; see graph…
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/uc-merced-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm
ditto for UC Riverside. 3.0 and very damn likely you get in…
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/uc-riverside-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm
UC Santa Cruz look like a way better than 50-50 shot to get in with just a 3.0 and a halfway decent sat score…
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/uc-santa-cruz-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm
January 17, 2013 at 9:46 PM #757927Participantseems like this system also really benefits the family where much of the income is off the books…
January 17, 2013 at 9:51 PM #757928Participanthttp://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT-ACT-Graphs/ss/uc-irvine-admission-gpa-sat-act.htm
However, see above….a 3.0 will not get you into Irvine…
January 17, 2013 at 10:23 PM #757929outtamojo
ParticipantHave you ever been to Merced? That town is like an armpit…
January 17, 2013 at 10:29 PM #757930Participantno but id send my kid there for the right price..
January 17, 2013 at 10:33 PM #757931Participanti will be pretty broke if I pay sticker price for 3 kids over the next 12 years…ahh, the hell with it…community college for everyone…
January 17, 2013 at 10:54 PM #757932
CoronitaParticipant[quote=SK in CV]I’m not sure what this has to do with being a republican, but yeah it’s tough. But it’s worth it.
Btw, kids with a 3.0 can’t often get into a UC anyway.[/quote]
Depends on what race you claim you are. If your white, forget it. If your Asian, definitely forget it.
January 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM #757933CoronitaParticipant[quote=squat300]good lord. I just went to a financial aid seminar at local hs. Sounds like the bottom line is, if you’re poor ($80,000 ceiling for family of 4) you get a free ride, if you have a 3.0 GPA.
If your parent makes good money, you get nothing.
So, ok. basically, the parents with some decent income have to subsidize the poor kid. The poor kid doesn’t have to take out loans, they get a full ride at UC school, if he has over 3.0 GPA. But the parents who make some money (and almost certainly have proprortionately higher expenses) have to pay the full ticket? Over 100k?
What is this, a communist nation?
So, anyway, it appears that the way around this is…your kid gets married. then your kid is independent. and then parents’ income doesn’t count.
I’m doing some research on the internet and there’s an article on this arrangement in the NY Times.
and a matchmaking website for tuition benefit…
I don’t see why parents who do well should have to fully subsidize some other kid just because his parents are broke. I’m already subsidizing my own damn kid!
Objectively, I suppose, it seems fair that i should have to pay somewhat more, but the poor kid should have to take on some debt …and no parent should get off scot-free…should be a strict, proportionate sliding scale.[/quote]
Wow, squat starting to think what many of us have already been thinking? What the hell is the world coming to?
But in all seriousness, I’m not a die hard republican at all. I hate a lot of the morons in backward states on some of the social issues. And a lot of republicans are far from being fiscally conservative.
January 17, 2013 at 10:59 PM #757935CoronitaParticipant[quote=squat300]i will be pretty broke if I pay sticker price for 3 kids over the next 12 years…ahh, the hell with it…community college for everyone…[/quote]
Squat..Just wait until state schools start to follow some private schools and start including the equity of your primary residence towards whether your kids qualify for financial aid…Yup that’s right…If you spent your time paying off your house, they expect you to mortgage your house to pay for your kid’s education. Meanwhile, if you totally heloced the hell out of it and have no equity, then you get a benefit.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-51276393/what-college-aid-officers-wont-tell-you/
January 18, 2013 at 12:28 AM #757939CA renter
ParticipantAgree with you, scaredy, this is totally wrong. It should be based on a sliding scale.
January 18, 2013 at 6:57 AM #757941livinincali
ParticipantIt’s hard to grow tuition at 10% per year if you can’t get your hands on new pots of money. The college cost bubble will pop at some point, but maybe not quick enough to save some of you. Unfortunately people have to vote with their wallets and stop playing the FAFSA game. I think we’re at that point where the return on investment has to be considered. Is a $100K education really going to get you a positive return for your particular child? The content I learned in college a decade ago is exactly the same as the content today yet it costs 3-5 times as much.
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