OT: Sad day for America

[Arraya]

[quote=afx114]I’m not implying that you or all conservatives are like those whackos — you know I don’t believe that. I’m just trying to argue that the philosophies of activists who use guns and tough-guy bravado to take down “the man” often overlap with the philosophies of the right. This is evidenced by the list so graciously provided by pri_dk.

I look forward to your list of anti-government gun-wielding military-porn addicted leftist assassins.

Or maybe I’ve just had too much whiskey.[/quote]

Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.

[bubba99]

I was with you up until the Charles Manson reference. Most criminals are just that, but Charles Manson was not a natural phenomenon, he was created.

We sent Charles to prison at a very early age (13 I think). He was beaten, molested, and worse by the society that was supposed to “protect” him. His early childhood include episodes like being sold by his mother for a “pitcher of beer”. His moral view was developed by the worst that we as a society have to offer. He was more intelligent and charismatic than most, and his bent view of the world led him develop a group of like minded marginally attached followers.

Although his individual behavior was not predictable, the fact that we have thousands of like children in the same circumstances does predict that Helter Skelter was not the last insane act grown in our own prisons.

I see dozens of “bangers” every month that have committed like or worse crimes, just not to as famous a set of victims. Just a few miles south of Tucson in Nogales Sonora, the narco terrorists are now skinning their victims before be-heading them. Many developed their skills in our prison system. MS13, Los ZETAs are all a result of American decisions. Our prisons are just finishing schools for the criminally insane.

The shooting in Tucson was tragic, but not isolated. We are a violent society in a violent world. And we can hide it reasonably well until a “National Personality” is the victim.

[bubba99]

I was with you up until the Charles Manson reference. Most criminals are just that, but Charles Manson was not a natural phenomenon, he was created.

We sent Charles to prison at a very early age (13 I think). He was beaten, molested, and worse by the society that was supposed to “protect” him. His early childhood include episodes like being sold by his mother for a “pitcher of beer”. His moral view was developed by the worst that we as a society have to offer. He was more intelligent and charismatic than most, and his bent view of the world led him develop a group of like minded marginally attached followers.

Although his individual behavior was not predictable, the fact that we have thousands of like children in the same circumstances does predict that Helter Skelter was not the last insane act grown in our own prisons.

I see dozens of “bangers” every month that have committed like or worse crimes, just not to as famous a set of victims. Just a few miles south of Tucson in Nogales Sonora, the narco terrorists are now skinning their victims before be-heading them. Many developed their skills in our prison system. MS13, Los ZETAs are all a result of American decisions. Our prisons are just finishing schools for the criminally insane.

The shooting in Tucson was tragic, but not isolated. We are a violent society in a violent world. And we can hide it reasonably well until a “National Personality” is the victim.

[bubba99]

I was with you up until the Charles Manson reference. Most criminals are just that, but Charles Manson was not a natural phenomenon, he was created.

We sent Charles to prison at a very early age (13 I think). He was beaten, molested, and worse by the society that was supposed to “protect” him. His early childhood include episodes like being sold by his mother for a “pitcher of beer”. His moral view was developed by the worst that we as a society have to offer. He was more intelligent and charismatic than most, and his bent view of the world led him develop a group of like minded marginally attached followers.

Although his individual behavior was not predictable, the fact that we have thousands of like children in the same circumstances does predict that Helter Skelter was not the last insane act grown in our own prisons.

I see dozens of “bangers” every month that have committed like or worse crimes, just not to as famous a set of victims. Just a few miles south of Tucson in Nogales Sonora, the narco terrorists are now skinning their victims before be-heading them. Many developed their skills in our prison system. MS13, Los ZETAs are all a result of American decisions. Our prisons are just finishing schools for the criminally insane.

The shooting in Tucson was tragic, but not isolated. We are a violent society in a violent world. And we can hide it reasonably well until a “National Personality” is the victim.

[bubba99]

I was with you up until the Charles Manson reference. Most criminals are just that, but Charles Manson was not a natural phenomenon, he was created.

We sent Charles to prison at a very early age (13 I think). He was beaten, molested, and worse by the society that was supposed to “protect” him. His early childhood include episodes like being sold by his mother for a “pitcher of beer”. His moral view was developed by the worst that we as a society have to offer. He was more intelligent and charismatic than most, and his bent view of the world led him develop a group of like minded marginally attached followers.

Although his individual behavior was not predictable, the fact that we have thousands of like children in the same circumstances does predict that Helter Skelter was not the last insane act grown in our own prisons.

I see dozens of “bangers” every month that have committed like or worse crimes, just not to as famous a set of victims. Just a few miles south of Tucson in Nogales Sonora, the narco terrorists are now skinning their victims before be-heading them. Many developed their skills in our prison system. MS13, Los ZETAs are all a result of American decisions. Our prisons are just finishing schools for the criminally insane.

The shooting in Tucson was tragic, but not isolated. We are a violent society in a violent world. And we can hide it reasonably well until a “National Personality” is the victim.

[bubba99]

I was with you up until the Charles Manson reference. Most criminals are just that, but Charles Manson was not a natural phenomenon, he was created.

We sent Charles to prison at a very early age (13 I think). He was beaten, molested, and worse by the society that was supposed to “protect” him. His early childhood include episodes like being sold by his mother for a “pitcher of beer”. His moral view was developed by the worst that we as a society have to offer. He was more intelligent and charismatic than most, and his bent view of the world led him develop a group of like minded marginally attached followers.

Although his individual behavior was not predictable, the fact that we have thousands of like children in the same circumstances does predict that Helter Skelter was not the last insane act grown in our own prisons.

I see dozens of “bangers” every month that have committed like or worse crimes, just not to as famous a set of victims. Just a few miles south of Tucson in Nogales Sonora, the narco terrorists are now skinning their victims before be-heading them. Many developed their skills in our prison system. MS13, Los ZETAs are all a result of American decisions. Our prisons are just finishing schools for the criminally insane.

The shooting in Tucson was tragic, but not isolated. We are a violent society in a violent world. And we can hide it reasonably well until a “National Personality” is the victim.

[jstoesz]

From my whole post, pri, that was your take away? An aside? No comments about the rest of my post?

This is so ancillary to the point I was making, but I will provide a short, off the top of my head list.
Health care laws
Smoking laws
Consumer protection agency laws
Diet and nutrition laws
Fast food restriction laws
Seat Belt and airbag laws
Helmet Laws

Use your imagination on the liberals who support laws on these fronts. Maybe you yourself do?
This is not extensive only a few areas of note. Liberals tend to be more free on drug laws…I guess to their credit.
The point of my post was that, people make decisions, and blaming beck or Limbaugh in any way is more stupid than saying, “the devil made me do it.” Elevating our rhetoric is not going to fix anything. If anything it will be even more boring and asinine. Personally I would love to have a politician stand up and demonize Bernanke et al. for the turn coat crony capitalists that they are.

[jstoesz]

From my whole post, pri, that was your take away? An aside? No comments about the rest of my post?

This is so ancillary to the point I was making, but I will provide a short, off the top of my head list.
Health care laws
Smoking laws
Consumer protection agency laws
Diet and nutrition laws
Fast food restriction laws
Seat Belt and airbag laws
Helmet Laws

Use your imagination on the liberals who support laws on these fronts. Maybe you yourself do?
This is not extensive only a few areas of note. Liberals tend to be more free on drug laws…I guess to their credit.
The point of my post was that, people make decisions, and blaming beck or Limbaugh in any way is more stupid than saying, “the devil made me do it.” Elevating our rhetoric is not going to fix anything. If anything it will be even more boring and asinine. Personally I would love to have a politician stand up and demonize Bernanke et al. for the turn coat crony capitalists that they are.

[jstoesz]

From my whole post, pri, that was your take away? An aside? No comments about the rest of my post?

This is so ancillary to the point I was making, but I will provide a short, off the top of my head list.
Health care laws
Smoking laws
Consumer protection agency laws
Diet and nutrition laws
Fast food restriction laws
Seat Belt and airbag laws
Helmet Laws

Use your imagination on the liberals who support laws on these fronts. Maybe you yourself do?
This is not extensive only a few areas of note. Liberals tend to be more free on drug laws…I guess to their credit.
The point of my post was that, people make decisions, and blaming beck or Limbaugh in any way is more stupid than saying, “the devil made me do it.” Elevating our rhetoric is not going to fix anything. If anything it will be even more boring and asinine. Personally I would love to have a politician stand up and demonize Bernanke et al. for the turn coat crony capitalists that they are.

[jstoesz]

From my whole post, pri, that was your take away? An aside? No comments about the rest of my post?

This is so ancillary to the point I was making, but I will provide a short, off the top of my head list.
Health care laws
Smoking laws
Consumer protection agency laws
Diet and nutrition laws
Fast food restriction laws
Seat Belt and airbag laws
Helmet Laws

Use your imagination on the liberals who support laws on these fronts. Maybe you yourself do?
This is not extensive only a few areas of note. Liberals tend to be more free on drug laws…I guess to their credit.
The point of my post was that, people make decisions, and blaming beck or Limbaugh in any way is more stupid than saying, “the devil made me do it.” Elevating our rhetoric is not going to fix anything. If anything it will be even more boring and asinine. Personally I would love to have a politician stand up and demonize Bernanke et al. for the turn coat crony capitalists that they are.

[jstoesz]

From my whole post, pri, that was your take away? An aside? No comments about the rest of my post?

This is so ancillary to the point I was making, but I will provide a short, off the top of my head list.
Health care laws
Smoking laws
Consumer protection agency laws
Diet and nutrition laws
Fast food restriction laws
Seat Belt and airbag laws
Helmet Laws

Use your imagination on the liberals who support laws on these fronts. Maybe you yourself do?
This is not extensive only a few areas of note. Liberals tend to be more free on drug laws…I guess to their credit.
The point of my post was that, people make decisions, and blaming beck or Limbaugh in any way is more stupid than saying, “the devil made me do it.” Elevating our rhetoric is not going to fix anything. If anything it will be even more boring and asinine. Personally I would love to have a politician stand up and demonize Bernanke et al. for the turn coat crony capitalists that they are.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]

Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]

Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]

Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]
Actually, “The Man” is sixties radical black community speak for “the establishment” and most definitely “leftist”.[/quote]

Does that mean, as a white guy, that I have to stop bitching about “The Man” and how he’s keeping me down?

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