OT: Sad day for America

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Agreed that there exists vitriolic assholes on both sides, but it’s a false equivalency to compare any of the left’s ill-advised statements to the right’s gleeful fetishization of guns, “don’t retreat, reload!”, “renewing the tree of liberty” and “2nd amendment remedies.” The comparison doesn’t even come close. I really was hoping the discussion wouldn’t turn into a left-vs-right thing, but it almost begs it.

Even if his personal motivations weren’t political, the fact that his target was a politician makes this an inherently political attack. Events like this don’t happen in a vacuum.

[/quote]

Afx: Two things. First, with a little bit of research on the shooter, you’ll find that he was obsessed with Gifford as far back as 2007, and that his motivation does appear to be personal, not political (a la Hinckley shooting Reagan for his inamorata, Jodie Foster).

Second, it is not a false equivalency to compare Left to Right on this. No, I’m not condoning Beck or Limbaugh, because I do think they’re assholes and contribute nothing to the debate. But, for every Beck or Limbaugh, I can offer a Dylan Ratigan, or a Mike Malloy, or even a Bill Maher. And their speech is just as virulent and violent and they agitate and advocate death and violence with equal ferocity. Think about Ward Churchill’s comments following 9/11 (the “little Eichmanns” who perished in the Twin Towers). Or Nina Totenberg, or Susan Sontag, or Julianne Malveaux, who suggested, without a trace of irony or humor, that Clarence Thomas’s wife feed him plenty of eggs and butter, so he’d die early “like many black men do” (her words, not mine).

I’m sorry but there is an established culture on both sides, Left and Right, that espouses violence as an answer and literally treats its opponents as targets. The Left does it with a little more panache and brio (being the cultural elite and all), but its there and you don’t have to look far to find it.

[Djshakes]

[quote=mazeltov][quote=faterikcartman]

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

[/quote]

Congratulations you prick!
Another validation of Godwin’s law.[/quote]

Is there a similar law for the terms racist, racism, etc?

[Djshakes]

[quote=mazeltov][quote=faterikcartman]

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

[/quote]

Congratulations you prick!
Another validation of Godwin’s law.[/quote]

Is there a similar law for the terms racist, racism, etc?

[Djshakes]

[quote=mazeltov][quote=faterikcartman]

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

[/quote]

Congratulations you prick!
Another validation of Godwin’s law.[/quote]

Is there a similar law for the terms racist, racism, etc?

[Djshakes]

[quote=mazeltov][quote=faterikcartman]

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

[/quote]

Congratulations you prick!
Another validation of Godwin’s law.[/quote]

Is there a similar law for the terms racist, racism, etc?

[Djshakes]

[quote=mazeltov][quote=faterikcartman]

You neo-fascists are like Nazis without the love of country. You think you also lack the desire to kill Jews — but I question that as most of you seem to fall over yourselves to embrace Islamists who want to do just that.

[/quote]

Congratulations you prick!
Another validation of Godwin’s law.[/quote]

Is there a similar law for the terms racist, racism, etc?

[patb]

[quote=ILoveRegulation]I wonder if anyone on the right will condemn Sarah Palin for her ‘crosshairs’ map or her ‘lock and load’ rhetoric? I’m not holding my breath.[/quote]
some will, those who want to remove her from the primary.

[patb]

[quote=ILoveRegulation]I wonder if anyone on the right will condemn Sarah Palin for her ‘crosshairs’ map or her ‘lock and load’ rhetoric? I’m not holding my breath.[/quote]
some will, those who want to remove her from the primary.

[patb]

[quote=ILoveRegulation]I wonder if anyone on the right will condemn Sarah Palin for her ‘crosshairs’ map or her ‘lock and load’ rhetoric? I’m not holding my breath.[/quote]
some will, those who want to remove her from the primary.

[patb]

[quote=ILoveRegulation]I wonder if anyone on the right will condemn Sarah Palin for her ‘crosshairs’ map or her ‘lock and load’ rhetoric? I’m not holding my breath.[/quote]
some will, those who want to remove her from the primary.

[patb]

[quote=ILoveRegulation]I wonder if anyone on the right will condemn Sarah Palin for her ‘crosshairs’ map or her ‘lock and load’ rhetoric? I’m not holding my breath.[/quote]
some will, those who want to remove her from the primary.

[UCGal]

[quote=faterikcartman]
The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? [/quote]

The shooter was a nut job.
To say he was liberal (or conservative) is a stretch from the limited info we have.
From what I’ve read he listed both the Communist Manifesto AND Mein Kampf as books he endorsed. I don’t think Mein Kampf is liberal.

Hitler (author of Mein Kampf) was the ultimate authoritarian. Yet this disturbed kid also promoted Animal Farm – which is a satire that warns against authoritarianism.

I don’t think ANY of us have any idea what this kids’ politics are.

And Gifford was a conservative Dem… not part of the liberal branch of democratic caucus. She was a blue dog. From many people’s perspective she represented the middle, the independents and moderates.

This isn’t a right left thing… this is a schizophrenic break thing. It is not rational.

[UCGal]

[quote=faterikcartman]
The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? [/quote]

The shooter was a nut job.
To say he was liberal (or conservative) is a stretch from the limited info we have.
From what I’ve read he listed both the Communist Manifesto AND Mein Kampf as books he endorsed. I don’t think Mein Kampf is liberal.

Hitler (author of Mein Kampf) was the ultimate authoritarian. Yet this disturbed kid also promoted Animal Farm – which is a satire that warns against authoritarianism.

I don’t think ANY of us have any idea what this kids’ politics are.

And Gifford was a conservative Dem… not part of the liberal branch of democratic caucus. She was a blue dog. From many people’s perspective she represented the middle, the independents and moderates.

This isn’t a right left thing… this is a schizophrenic break thing. It is not rational.

[UCGal]

[quote=faterikcartman]
The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? [/quote]

The shooter was a nut job.
To say he was liberal (or conservative) is a stretch from the limited info we have.
From what I’ve read he listed both the Communist Manifesto AND Mein Kampf as books he endorsed. I don’t think Mein Kampf is liberal.

Hitler (author of Mein Kampf) was the ultimate authoritarian. Yet this disturbed kid also promoted Animal Farm – which is a satire that warns against authoritarianism.

I don’t think ANY of us have any idea what this kids’ politics are.

And Gifford was a conservative Dem… not part of the liberal branch of democratic caucus. She was a blue dog. From many people’s perspective she represented the middle, the independents and moderates.

This isn’t a right left thing… this is a schizophrenic break thing. It is not rational.

[UCGal]

[quote=faterikcartman]
The shooter was known as a liberal. Weren’t his fave books by communists and socialists? [/quote]

The shooter was a nut job.
To say he was liberal (or conservative) is a stretch from the limited info we have.
From what I’ve read he listed both the Communist Manifesto AND Mein Kampf as books he endorsed. I don’t think Mein Kampf is liberal.

Hitler (author of Mein Kampf) was the ultimate authoritarian. Yet this disturbed kid also promoted Animal Farm – which is a satire that warns against authoritarianism.

I don’t think ANY of us have any idea what this kids’ politics are.

And Gifford was a conservative Dem… not part of the liberal branch of democratic caucus. She was a blue dog. From many people’s perspective she represented the middle, the independents and moderates.

This isn’t a right left thing… this is a schizophrenic break thing. It is not rational.

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