OT: religion

[scaredyclassic]

it’s difficult for me to see how charity heps someone build a better life. i can see charity helping people survive to another day. but for a better life, they need a system that enable s them to work and get enough money to do it themselves. anything else is just a hot meal and a co.t

and what kind of crazy ass stuff is this:

Luke 12:33

Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.

why, it’s a delusional prescription for poverty itself!

[flyer]

I can explain my beliefs, but I’m just not a guy who likes to argue about something for which we can come to no resolution–regardless of how long we banter back and forth–days, weeks, months, years??

I could go on and on about what I believe and why, but it’s just not worth the time. Better just to agree to disagree and move on.

[zk]

[quote=flyer]I can explain my beliefs, but I’m just not a guy who likes to argue about something for which we can come to no resolution–regardless of how long we banter back and forth–days, weeks, months, years??

[/quote]
Translation: I can explain my beliefs, but only to someone who’s not much of a critical thinker. Someone who believes what I say without giving it much thought. Someone who can’t come up with a logical counterpoint to all the bs I try to make fly.

I understand that your beliefs are irrational. All faith, by definition, is. But if you try to call it rational or when you try to call the perfectly rational beliefs of hard-working people “delusional,” I’m going to point out the flaws in your reasoning.

But, hey, you didn’t brag in that last post. That’s progress. Kudos.

[flyer]

We all have different opinions about life and death. Nothing will change my mind concerning my beliefs, and I know the same can be said for those who hold different beliefs. Perhaps we’ll each find out who was “right” someday, maybe not.

In the meantime, one thing we all know for sure, is that each passing moment brings us closer to the end of our mortality, and there is nothing we can do to stop it–so enjoy!

[zk]

[quote=flyer]We all have different opinions about life and death. Nothing will change my mind concerning my beliefs, and I know the same can be said for those who hold different beliefs. Perhaps we’ll each find out who was “right” someday, maybe not.

In the meantime, one thing we all know for sure, is that each passing moment brings us closer to the end of our mortality, and there is nothing we can do to stop it–so enjoy![/quote]

That all makes sense.

I wouldn’t say, though, that nothing would change my beliefs (and, for the record, I was never trying to change your beliefs).

If I saw sufficient evidence that contradicted what I believe, I would change my beliefs.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=flyer]We all have different opinions about life and death. Nothing will change my mind concerning my beliefs, and I know the same can be said for those who hold different beliefs. Perhaps we’ll each find out who was “right” someday, maybe not.

In the meantime, one thing we all know for sure, is that each passing moment brings us closer to the end of our mortality, and there is nothing we can do to stop it–so enjoy![/quote]

It is not incontrovertibly true that any of us is going to die. An omnipotent G-d could certainly suspend that rule on earth if he could in heaven.

Still, we know we will die.

Just as we know G-d if he existed is a random cruel sociopathic sob who’d just as soon kill you and your loved ones in comically horrific painful ways as let you make a few bucks on a deal and think it’s his will.

Heck he loves torture so much the story goes he tortured his own kid for us. Life generates massive suffering. I infer he enjoys that since the game designer makes the game.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=flyer]We all have different opinions about life and death. Nothing will change my mind concerning my beliefs, and I know the same can be said for those who hold different beliefs. Perhaps we’ll each find out who was “right” someday, maybe not.

In the meantime, one thing we all know for sure, is that each passing moment brings us closer to the end of our mortality, and there is nothing we can do to stop it–so enjoy![/quote]

no rhetoric will change the formed opinion. One decent unnatural miracle would instantly get the whole earth team in line. But that’s asking for too much. G-d prefers riddles, unseasoned faith, cryptic ambiguous texts, wars between adherents to spread the word. If he were a parent CPS would take us away. If a lawyer, disbarred.

The miracles only happen after the movie is over, unverifiably…If he were anyone but G-d we’d know it was a scam right off.

But the G-d gets a pass…

[scaredyclassic]

No individual owes any explanation of beliefs.

But when Christians as a group claim special status for providing the principles that founded this nation, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to question just what those principles and beliefs are, when they are often asking that the religion guide public policy and be prominent in the public square.

[NotCranky]

Anyone who puts all their afterlife eggs in one basket will never have any credibility again. That’s just foolish.

Of course, there is that chance that by kissing up to all G-ds I piss off the right one and he definitely doesn’t give me the good afterlife I was hoping for….I hope you have considered that , SC.

What would Bob Marley do?

[svelte]

[quote=scaredyclassic]No individual owes any explanation of beliefs.

But when Christians as a group claim special status for providing the principles that founded this nation, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to question just what those principles and beliefs are, when they are often asking that the religion guide public policy and be prominent in the public square.[/quote]

Agreed.

Those persons wanting Christian symbols on public land conveniently forget that a reason people took the time to cross the pond to begin with was for religious freedom.

[NotCranky]

Democracy is God. Congress is God.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]
it’s actually delusional to think that everyone can benefit from making money by more efficient means. the contrarian way to make money v. the way of the masses only works if not everyone does it. In terms of the easy money, it’s not available to everyone by its very nature. Only the smarter people can benefit by going against the hordes. Once everyone tries to get in on the good deal, it becomes the sucker deal. [/quote]

I was just having this conversation with someone and that was exactly my point, but you said it better than me.

If everyone is smart then the curve just moves up. You’re not that smart anymore.

Some things that are true for individuals, cannot work for everybody. The paradox of thrift illustrates that pretty well.

Now I need a translation into popular language that people can understand like “duh, what the fuck, isn’t that self-evident?”

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]No individual owes any explanation of beliefs.

But when Christians as a group claim special status for providing the principles that founded this nation, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to question just what those principles and beliefs are, when they are often asking that the religion guide public policy and be prominent in the public square.[/quote]

Well said. Individual choices don’t necessary make good public policy. Why is it so hard for people to separate

[NotCranky]

The kingdom of heaven is best employed as a metaphor for enjoying life or at least being on the correct vibe. That is the only reasonable conclusion. Weight lifting can help with that but it’s probably not really a very high on the level of goodness in Gods judgement …unless it’s for physical therapy or something like that.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]No individual owes any explanation of beliefs.

But when Christians as a group claim special status for providing the principles that founded this nation, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to question just what those principles and beliefs are, when they are often asking that the religion guide public policy and be prominent in the public square.[/quote]

Is there a cross of something in Riverside County that you could sue over?

That might take you to the Supreme Court then you’d become famous. The money would begin to pour in. That would be a very efficient way to make money!!

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