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April 23, 2014 at 3:25 PM #773247April 23, 2014 at 3:33 PM #773248
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ParticipantI don’t believe in bragging about being a millionaire, or bragging in general. Does that crush you?
April 23, 2014 at 3:47 PM #773250flyer
ParticipantNot bragging, just stating a deeply held “belief.” I sincerely hope you can respect that.
April 23, 2014 at 3:49 PM #773249scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=flyer]I think it’s great that most of us who have contributed to this thread seem to know exactly what we “know” or “believe.” It won’t change anything for me or millions of other people who think as I do, but it’s interesting. Even had several laughs along the way.
I can live with disparaging remarks about religious beliefs (don’t care) but, please never ever tell me you don’t “believe” in being a millionaire. That’s when I’d really be crushed.[/quote]
Having millions of adherents doesn’t strengthen the truth of the position, though it makes the story seem better, at first glance, than the farting bear.
One kinda feels millions of people can’t all believe something that is patently false …but they can.
That you implicitly support your position with numbers of believers supports the evangelical view: the more people I can persuade the better and less ridiculous we sound. Whether its that I found golden tablets in new york, magic underwear for heaven, celestial bear farts or crucifixion that affect souls for all eternuty, the more likely people will take me serious, and the greater dominance we can have culturally.
One guy believes it—he’s nuts..m
A million people believe…It’s divine…
The more people believe the more likely it’s wrong….
April 23, 2014 at 3:50 PM #773251Participant[quote=flyer]I think it’s great that most of us who have contributed to this thread seem to know exactly what we “know” or “believe.” It won’t change anything for me or millions of other people who think as I do, but it’s interesting. Even had several laughs along the way.
I can live with disparaging remarks about religious beliefs (don’t care) but, please never ever tell me you don’t “believe” in being a millionaire. That’s when I’d really be crushed.[/quote]
Prosperity gospel is about as egotistical as it gets, but very veryvl american…
April 23, 2014 at 3:52 PM #773252ParticipantThanks for all your thoughts.
April 23, 2014 at 3:54 PM #773254Participant[quote=flyer]Thanks for all your thoughts.[/quote]
There’s definitely safety in numbers.
But we all die alone.
April 23, 2014 at 3:57 PM #773255ParticipantAll right now I’m feeling bad.
Maybe Jesus really is the son of G-d and if you believe in him you get eternal life. I guess it is kind of possible, in a kind of way.
Sorry I’m such a bummer.
April 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM #773256ParticipantIt’s at least as possible as Santa. Maybe the kids who believe early on have it right.
ELF.
Maybe that’s a movie about the nature of religious beliefs.
http://christwire.org/2011/07/has-comedian-will-ferrell-forsaken-americas-christians/
April 23, 2014 at 4:23 PM #773257NotCranky
ParticipantLately when I want to be moderately religious I listen to this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biz5kBIAticI don’t really go in for country and western but this song is the bomb as far as believing in anything goes.
None of the old men are fat so that proves they are on the right track.
April 23, 2014 at 4:30 PM #773258FlyerInHi
GuestI like Israel but not for the same reasons Americans like Israel.
Israel is actually very interesting and multicultural. A mix of Western Europe, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa. Israel could be a fun place. But the religious fundamentalists are whacks and ruining everything.
I like world music. He’s a fun Israeli pop song. A little different from what we listen to here. Good to keep an open mind, but… more interesting to spend time on things other than religion.
April 23, 2014 at 4:44 PM #773259UCGal
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
Prosperity gospel is about as egotistical as it gets, but very veryvl american…[/quote]
Very American.
In the 80’s I lived downtown – near the old El Cortez convention center. On Sundays, Terry Cole Whitaker had services for her church. It was semi-Christian with a big dose of new age, and dolloped with a large appeal to “greed is good”.
I went to a service with a friend – she was very excited by it. To me it came across as a cult based on greed. Lots of messages to tythe to the church and you’d be paid back GUARANTEED with wealth.
As a neighbor to this church I wasn’t impressed with the folks attending the church. Rude, bad parkers, and not unusual to see them littering. Not good neighbors in other words.
She was kicked out of the church (and started a new one) when it came to light that she and some of her closest advisors were extracting money from the church at pretty heft rates.
The church motto was “Prosperity is your divine right”.
April 23, 2014 at 5:04 PM #773260ParticipantMaybe heaven is just a large real estate scam.
April 23, 2014 at 5:06 PM #773261Participant[quote=Blogstar]Lately when I want to be moderately religious I listen to this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biz5kBIAticI don’t really go in for country and western but this song is the bomb as far as believing in anything goes.
None of the old men are fat so that proves they are on the right track.[/quote]
Problem is believing in people sets you up for a letdown. Invisible deities are always there for you.
April 23, 2014 at 5:40 PM #773262Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=scaredyclassic]
Prosperity gospel is about as egotistical as it gets, but very veryvl american…[/quote]
Very American.
In the 80’s I lived downtown – near the old El Cortez convention center. On Sundays, Terry Cole Whitaker had services for her church. It was semi-Christian with a big dose of new age, and dolloped with a large appeal to “greed is good”.
I went to a service with a friend – she was very excited by it. To me it came across as a cult based on greed. Lots of messages to tythe to the church and you’d be paid back GUARANTEED with wealth.
As a neighbor to this church I wasn’t impressed with the folks attending the church. Rude, bad parkers, and not unusual to see them littering. Not good neighbors in other words.
She was kicked out of the church (and started a new one) when it came to light that she and some of her closest advisors were extracting money from the church at pretty heft rates.
The church motto was “Prosperity is your divine right”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Cole-Whittaker
Agree UCG. Have heard many stories about that “church.” The “wannabe’s” looking for an easy path to wealth does attract a lot of followers.
In my experience, most of the people we know were already extremely prosperous before we knew them at “church,” and are looking for nothing but spiritual growth, and ways to help others via their prosperity.
Again, to each his or her own.
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