OT: Rand Paul is an idiot

[zk]

Rand Paul says,

“I’m not anti-vaccine at all, but most of them ought to be voluntary…”

and

“I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines.”

This infuriates me! A presidential candidate and a doctor, his words will be heard by millions and will no doubt carry great weight with many parents who are on the fence about vaccinations. But his words are ignorant nonsense. He’s “heard of” normal children who “wound up with” mental disorders “after vaccines.”

Well, Dr. Paul, what makes you think those mental disorders were caused by vaccines? Do you think any time two things happen that the first caused the second? I’ve heard of normal children ending up with mental disorders after drinking glasses of water or having a second birthday. Did that glass of water or that birthday party cause autism? No? Are you sure? The one study that actually linked vaccines and mental disorders was a fraud. How does someone get to be a doctor and a senator and still be that ignorant? And why are millions of theoretically well-educated Americans still buying this nonsense?

Don’t vaccinate your kids, ok. But keep them away from my kid. Move to the middle of Montana with a bunch of other ignorant fools who didn’t vaccinate their kids and wait for the measles to come to you. Assholes.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=zk]
Don’t vaccinate your kids, ok. But keep them away from my kid. Move to the middle of Montana with a bunch of other ignorant fools who didn’t vaccinate their kids and wait for the measles to come to you. Assholes.[/quote]

That sounds about right. Hope they take your advice.

[an]

[quote=zk]Don’t vaccinate your kids, ok. But keep them away from my kid. Move to the middle of Montana with a bunch of other ignorant fools who didn’t vaccinate their kids and wait for the measles to come to you. Assholes.[/quote]Or Beverly Hills. Isn’t Jenny McCarthy from there?

http://cdnfiles.americashealthrankings.org/SiteFiles/SiteImages/ChiIdImmunizations-map-2014.jpg

http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20150129/vaccination-choice-measles?page=2
“An investigation by the The Hollywood Reporter found that in some affluent neighborhoods around Los Angeles, more than 60% of preschoolers are unvaccinated, giving the area a rate of vaccination comparable to South Sudan. California logged more than 60 measles cases last year, and has 79 just in the first month of this year, with most connected to Disneyland.”

[enron_by_the_sea]

While the whole country (including Mr.s Paul & Christy ) were hyperventilating about Ebola, Measles is the one that is spreading!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurcaplan/2015/02/02/ebola-measles-and-chris-christies-incoherent-healthcare-beliefs/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/politics/rand-paul-ebola/

[Anonymous]

Teach the controversy!

[joec]

One thing I don’t understand is if your own kids are vaccinated, how does other people not getting the vaccination affect your kid or you?

Being vaccinated, aren’t you protected already and if people get the measles, it shouldn’t affect you right?

I’m for kids getting vaccinated for all the measles, polio, whatever kids get, but as someone who never bothers getting the flu shot going 40+ years (strong immune system maybe, I rarely get sick), if I don’t get the flu shot, aren’t I just screwing over myself and it shouldn’t affect other people right? At least all the people who did get the flu shot?

[Anonymous]

My understanding is that not all vaccinations are 100% preventative for every individual. They lower an individual’s risk of contracting the disease when exposed, but not always completely. Others being vaccinated reduce the risk of being exposed in the first place. If there is a critical mass of vaccination in a population, then the disease cannot propagate, even if some small numbers of individuals are still vulnerable.

[quote]… as someone who never bothers getting the flu shot going 40+ years (strong immune system maybe, I rarely get sick), if I don’t get the flu shot, aren’t I just screwing over myself and it shouldn’t affect other people right? [/quote]

The fact that others get the immunization likely helped contribute to your success in avoiding the flu.

It’s a fun little game theory problem.

Seems the entire Paul family is a bunch of intelligent kooks.

[brg654]

[quote]One thing I don’t understand is if your own kids are vaccinated, how does other people not getting the vaccination affect your kid or you?[/quote]

children are given the measles vaccine between 12 and 15 months of age. parents of infants need to rely on the fact that everyone else is vaccinated to ensure that their children never get exposed to it (herd immunity).

and rand paul’s stupid comment was in response to chris christie’s stupid comment while visiting a UK facility that manufactures vaccines.

[an]

[quote=joec]One thing I don’t understand is if your own kids are vaccinated, how does other people not getting the vaccination affect your kid or you?

Being vaccinated, aren’t you protected already and if people get the measles, it shouldn’t affect you right?[/quote]IIRC, the MMR effective rate is something like 98-99%. However, if you’re surrounded by people who are not vaccinated and have measles, then the effective rate drops to something like 88%. Still effective, but it definitely reduces the effective rate. Which is why it’s important that everyone is vaccinated, so that your kids are not exposed to other kids who are not vaccinated and contracted measles.

Unfortunately, a big portion of the anti-vaccination movement are affluent people, who have the means to travel the world. Which then expose their kids to these kinds of diseases from other countries and bring it back here to the US.

[Coronita]

Paul is a retard.

What I’m a little curious about.
Don’t public schools check immunization records?
How did these kids get past that?

[all]

[quote=flu]
What I’m a little curious about.
Don’t public schools check immunization records?
How did these kids get past that?[/quote]

Immunization is required, unless exempted for medical or personal beliefs reasons.
I.e. if the parents do not believe in immunization the kid does not have to be vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

In other words, it’s not required.

[biggoldbear]

Just in case anyone runs into a “informed” anti-vaxer, some vaccines can cause adverse reactions in a small number of people (From CDC) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm

But this argument is similar to saying that some people would be better off not wearing a seat belt because sometimes they trap people in a burning car.

Except not getting vaccines is worse, because of the already mentioned effect on herd immunity. You are not just putting yourself and children at risk, you are putting others at risk too.

The problem is that for some diseases the risk of the vaccine is actually greater than the risk of getting the disease, but this is only because the vaccine works so well. If people start to avoid the vaccine, this math changes quickly (as we all can see clearly now).

[jeff303]

[quote=biggoldbear]Just in case anyone runs into a “informed” anti-vaxer, some vaccines can cause adverse reactions in a small number of people (From CDC) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm

But this argument is similar to saying that some people would be better off not wearing a seat belt because sometimes they trap people in a burning car.

Except not getting vaccines is worse, because of the already mentioned effect on herd immunity. You are not just putting yourself and children at risk, you are putting others at risk too.

The problem is that for some diseases the risk of the vaccine is actually greater than the risk of getting the disease, but this is only because the vaccine works so well. If people start to avoid the vaccine, this math changes quickly (as we all can see clearly now).[/quote]

Furthermore, for the benefit of those who do have a legitimate bad reaction to vaccines, it’s extremely important for everyone else to get vaccinated. That way, herd immunity can be retained despite the very small population of individuals who can’t get the vaccine.

[an]

[quote=flu]Paul is a retard.

What I’m a little curious about.
Don’t public schools check immunization records?
How did these kids get past that?[/quote]
Retards love company:

“We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it,” then Sen. Obama said.

“There are some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers. But the science right now is inconclusive,” Obama said.

“I am committed to make investments to find the causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines,” said Clinton.

As for schools, as was said, CA does not have a mandatory vaccination. You can be exempt on personal belief. Which is why Malabu and Beverly Hills have <40% vaccination rate.

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