OT: “Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises”

[Veritas]

My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment, especially when so much is rigged now a days. I do not think the kind of candidates I like have been around for two+ hundred years. People like Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln and even Chet Arthur: “No man ever entered the Presidency so profoundly and widely distrusted, and no one ever retired… more generally respected.” Author Mark Twain, deeply cynical about politicians, conceded, “It would be hard indeed to better President Arthur’s administration.”

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[Zeitgeist]

That’s a good one. I did vote for Nixon, but I think that was another life ago. As for someone to share a beer with, that would have to be Bill Clinton. You know he would be entertaining.

[Zeitgeist]

That’s a good one. I did vote for Nixon, but I think that was another life ago. As for someone to share a beer with, that would have to be Bill Clinton. You know he would be entertaining.

[Zeitgeist]

That’s a good one. I did vote for Nixon, but I think that was another life ago. As for someone to share a beer with, that would have to be Bill Clinton. You know he would be entertaining.

[Zeitgeist]

That’s a good one. I did vote for Nixon, but I think that was another life ago. As for someone to share a beer with, that would have to be Bill Clinton. You know he would be entertaining.

[Zeitgeist]

That’s a good one. I did vote for Nixon, but I think that was another life ago. As for someone to share a beer with, that would have to be Bill Clinton. You know he would be entertaining.

[sdgrrl]

I don’t think I’m in the fringe. Truly, I was irritated in November when Obama was criticized before he was even sworn in; my defenses are definitely up. I’m not surprised with all the criticisms as he becomes more…i don’t know brazen (socialist) in his policies.

What should we have done when our economy fell apart? Should we have done absolutely nothing and taken a true libertarian stance and let the markets correct themselves eventually? I honestly don’t know.

We can look back at the Great Depression and see what happened with no government intervention and then see how the government began rolling with government intervention. There are those that believe FDR’s New Deal did not help the economy and that government spending cannot solve the problem. Wasn’t WWII a huge economic boom because of all the government spending? Can people argue that the GI Bill did nothing to boost the economy, or that it has had lasting negative ramifications?

I don’t think it should be one way all the way, but a little of both.

Its strange that both Peter Schiff and Paul Krugman were dead right about everything happening as it did. Now however the two minds split in opinions of what should be done and what is our future.

Krugman has said the bailout should have been bigger, but we are slowly on our way out. Schiff believes we headed for an even greater economic failure with all the government spending.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out and who will be right.

I also passionately believe in medical for all. Fortunately I have insurance, but I didn’t always and I worked my ass off to get it. I really don’t think having adequate care should be a status symbol or a privilege for some. I know this is my liberal side, but I believe that when people are sick they shouldn’t have to go without care and suffer, bankrupt their lives, or that children should suffer because they have inadequate or unemployed parents. Or that the human body is a financial commodity where it can be destroyed because of a profit loss.

My father had me at 51 and served in both WWII and the Korean War. Thank God for the VA because when he became gravely ill when I was in my early twenties, without it I don’t know I would have done. The VA is government help and the care, respect and security they gave my father and me as a sole caregiver…is…there are no words to describe it.

America is the only first world country without socialized medicine. It would make me even prouder to know that America takes care of its own.

I understand though…and truly this is me being completely honest…how I would feel if suddenly even more illegal immigrants began swarming over our borders to get the care they could never get at home. This is something other countries with socialized medicine I believe don’t have to deal with. England, France, Canada…Sweden;) Don’t have a third world country literally steps away with people so desperate to leave their homelands that hundreds if not thousands lose their lives every year trying to leave it.

The debate will continue and it will be interesting to see where we end up.

[sdgrrl]

I don’t think I’m in the fringe. Truly, I was irritated in November when Obama was criticized before he was even sworn in; my defenses are definitely up. I’m not surprised with all the criticisms as he becomes more…i don’t know brazen (socialist) in his policies.

What should we have done when our economy fell apart? Should we have done absolutely nothing and taken a true libertarian stance and let the markets correct themselves eventually? I honestly don’t know.

We can look back at the Great Depression and see what happened with no government intervention and then see how the government began rolling with government intervention. There are those that believe FDR’s New Deal did not help the economy and that government spending cannot solve the problem. Wasn’t WWII a huge economic boom because of all the government spending? Can people argue that the GI Bill did nothing to boost the economy, or that it has had lasting negative ramifications?

I don’t think it should be one way all the way, but a little of both.

Its strange that both Peter Schiff and Paul Krugman were dead right about everything happening as it did. Now however the two minds split in opinions of what should be done and what is our future.

Krugman has said the bailout should have been bigger, but we are slowly on our way out. Schiff believes we headed for an even greater economic failure with all the government spending.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out and who will be right.

I also passionately believe in medical for all. Fortunately I have insurance, but I didn’t always and I worked my ass off to get it. I really don’t think having adequate care should be a status symbol or a privilege for some. I know this is my liberal side, but I believe that when people are sick they shouldn’t have to go without care and suffer, bankrupt their lives, or that children should suffer because they have inadequate or unemployed parents. Or that the human body is a financial commodity where it can be destroyed because of a profit loss.

My father had me at 51 and served in both WWII and the Korean War. Thank God for the VA because when he became gravely ill when I was in my early twenties, without it I don’t know I would have done. The VA is government help and the care, respect and security they gave my father and me as a sole caregiver…is…there are no words to describe it.

America is the only first world country without socialized medicine. It would make me even prouder to know that America takes care of its own.

I understand though…and truly this is me being completely honest…how I would feel if suddenly even more illegal immigrants began swarming over our borders to get the care they could never get at home. This is something other countries with socialized medicine I believe don’t have to deal with. England, France, Canada…Sweden;) Don’t have a third world country literally steps away with people so desperate to leave their homelands that hundreds if not thousands lose their lives every year trying to leave it.

The debate will continue and it will be interesting to see where we end up.

[sdgrrl]

I don’t think I’m in the fringe. Truly, I was irritated in November when Obama was criticized before he was even sworn in; my defenses are definitely up. I’m not surprised with all the criticisms as he becomes more…i don’t know brazen (socialist) in his policies.

What should we have done when our economy fell apart? Should we have done absolutely nothing and taken a true libertarian stance and let the markets correct themselves eventually? I honestly don’t know.

We can look back at the Great Depression and see what happened with no government intervention and then see how the government began rolling with government intervention. There are those that believe FDR’s New Deal did not help the economy and that government spending cannot solve the problem. Wasn’t WWII a huge economic boom because of all the government spending? Can people argue that the GI Bill did nothing to boost the economy, or that it has had lasting negative ramifications?

I don’t think it should be one way all the way, but a little of both.

Its strange that both Peter Schiff and Paul Krugman were dead right about everything happening as it did. Now however the two minds split in opinions of what should be done and what is our future.

Krugman has said the bailout should have been bigger, but we are slowly on our way out. Schiff believes we headed for an even greater economic failure with all the government spending.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out and who will be right.

I also passionately believe in medical for all. Fortunately I have insurance, but I didn’t always and I worked my ass off to get it. I really don’t think having adequate care should be a status symbol or a privilege for some. I know this is my liberal side, but I believe that when people are sick they shouldn’t have to go without care and suffer, bankrupt their lives, or that children should suffer because they have inadequate or unemployed parents. Or that the human body is a financial commodity where it can be destroyed because of a profit loss.

My father had me at 51 and served in both WWII and the Korean War. Thank God for the VA because when he became gravely ill when I was in my early twenties, without it I don’t know I would have done. The VA is government help and the care, respect and security they gave my father and me as a sole caregiver…is…there are no words to describe it.

America is the only first world country without socialized medicine. It would make me even prouder to know that America takes care of its own.

I understand though…and truly this is me being completely honest…how I would feel if suddenly even more illegal immigrants began swarming over our borders to get the care they could never get at home. This is something other countries with socialized medicine I believe don’t have to deal with. England, France, Canada…Sweden;) Don’t have a third world country literally steps away with people so desperate to leave their homelands that hundreds if not thousands lose their lives every year trying to leave it.

The debate will continue and it will be interesting to see where we end up.

[sdgrrl]

I don’t think I’m in the fringe. Truly, I was irritated in November when Obama was criticized before he was even sworn in; my defenses are definitely up. I’m not surprised with all the criticisms as he becomes more…i don’t know brazen (socialist) in his policies.

What should we have done when our economy fell apart? Should we have done absolutely nothing and taken a true libertarian stance and let the markets correct themselves eventually? I honestly don’t know.

We can look back at the Great Depression and see what happened with no government intervention and then see how the government began rolling with government intervention. There are those that believe FDR’s New Deal did not help the economy and that government spending cannot solve the problem. Wasn’t WWII a huge economic boom because of all the government spending? Can people argue that the GI Bill did nothing to boost the economy, or that it has had lasting negative ramifications?

I don’t think it should be one way all the way, but a little of both.

Its strange that both Peter Schiff and Paul Krugman were dead right about everything happening as it did. Now however the two minds split in opinions of what should be done and what is our future.

Krugman has said the bailout should have been bigger, but we are slowly on our way out. Schiff believes we headed for an even greater economic failure with all the government spending.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out and who will be right.

I also passionately believe in medical for all. Fortunately I have insurance, but I didn’t always and I worked my ass off to get it. I really don’t think having adequate care should be a status symbol or a privilege for some. I know this is my liberal side, but I believe that when people are sick they shouldn’t have to go without care and suffer, bankrupt their lives, or that children should suffer because they have inadequate or unemployed parents. Or that the human body is a financial commodity where it can be destroyed because of a profit loss.

My father had me at 51 and served in both WWII and the Korean War. Thank God for the VA because when he became gravely ill when I was in my early twenties, without it I don’t know I would have done. The VA is government help and the care, respect and security they gave my father and me as a sole caregiver…is…there are no words to describe it.

America is the only first world country without socialized medicine. It would make me even prouder to know that America takes care of its own.

I understand though…and truly this is me being completely honest…how I would feel if suddenly even more illegal immigrants began swarming over our borders to get the care they could never get at home. This is something other countries with socialized medicine I believe don’t have to deal with. England, France, Canada…Sweden;) Don’t have a third world country literally steps away with people so desperate to leave their homelands that hundreds if not thousands lose their lives every year trying to leave it.

The debate will continue and it will be interesting to see where we end up.

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