OT: “Obama Orders Pakistan Drone Attacks”

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Breeze: Still getting your facts together? Let’s continue along with your “Obama is rebuking Bush’s policies” argument (although that word is a mite strong, giving that you haven’t provided any evidence to support it).

So here’s a couple of tidbits from my end that refute your assertion.

1) Keeping Robert Gates on as SecDef. According to no less a liberal luminary than Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, “Not a single member of Obama’s foreign policy and national defense team opposed the war”, adding “Gates is a terrible pick”,

2) Selection of Dennis Ross as Administration point man on Iran. Robert Naiman, analyst for Just Foreign Policy group (center-left politically) feels that this appointment “might just set the stage for war with Iraq”,

3) And, my personal favorite: Dick Cheney suggested a meeting with Obama to discuss Gitmo and “to sit down and find out precisely what it is we did and why we did it”, which Obama (and I quote) “thought was very good advice”.

In the immortal words of The Who: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

Can’t wait for your spin on this.[/quote]

Allan, Allan, Allan. This is no longer the Bush era. Unlike Bush, Obama isn’t going to take orders from his supplicants.

In the Bush administration, the President’s Cabinet pretty much ran amok and did whatever they pleased. In Obama’s Cabinet, the vision, strategery, and orders will come from Obama. His supplicants will be responsible for carrying out Obama’s vision. Not the other way around.

Yes, Obama kept on some of Bush’s Cabinet for the sake of continuity. Obama has already ordered that 22,000 Marines be redeployed from Iraq to Afghanistan:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/01/its-time-for-ma.html

Bush would have never ordered Marines from the “Central Front” (Iraq) in the “War on Terror”.

Obama is indeed rebuking Bush policies, but it will take time. You can’t turn a beast like a United States on a dime. Give him time. Soon Bush will be a distant memory and America will once again be a great country.

[TheBreeze]

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[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.

In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.

Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.

Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.

Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.

Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?

Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.

In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.

Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.

Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.

Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.

Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?

Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.

In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.

Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.

Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.

Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.

Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?

Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.

In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.

Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.

Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.

Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.

Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?

Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.

In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.

Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.

Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.

Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.

Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?

Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.

[Veritas]

Close Gitmo and where do the terrorist go?

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Close Gitmo and where do the terrorist go?

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Close Gitmo and where do the terrorist go?

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Close Gitmo and where do the terrorist go?

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