OT: “Bob Rubin Just Wants to be Cuddled”

[desmond]

Why would I tell my family my fantasies? That would be sick, what I can do is on my death bed look my son in the eyes and tell him I never cheated on his mother. You probably don’t have kids so I will give you one on your behavior. My motto is try not to judge other people, I have enough problems on my own.

[Ricechex]

I think these statistics are skewed. The problem is, there are stories, and media sensation when a politician or celebrity cheats. You don’t see news stories (as if it is news) about men that DON’T cheat. Sorry Brian and Dave that you have fallen into the MSM trap.

[Ricechex]

I think these statistics are skewed. The problem is, there are stories, and media sensation when a politician or celebrity cheats. You don’t see news stories (as if it is news) about men that DON’T cheat. Sorry Brian and Dave that you have fallen into the MSM trap.

[Ricechex]

I think these statistics are skewed. The problem is, there are stories, and media sensation when a politician or celebrity cheats. You don’t see news stories (as if it is news) about men that DON’T cheat. Sorry Brian and Dave that you have fallen into the MSM trap.

[Ricechex]

I think these statistics are skewed. The problem is, there are stories, and media sensation when a politician or celebrity cheats. You don’t see news stories (as if it is news) about men that DON’T cheat. Sorry Brian and Dave that you have fallen into the MSM trap.

[Ricechex]

I think these statistics are skewed. The problem is, there are stories, and media sensation when a politician or celebrity cheats. You don’t see news stories (as if it is news) about men that DON’T cheat. Sorry Brian and Dave that you have fallen into the MSM trap.

[NotCranky]

Your observations are still missing some things, Dave.

It’s just a very high percentage of those 50% who don’t play around and many of those who do but quit(like Tiger), could still venture out one way or another. I used to participate in a men’s closed door discussion group and I heard a lot about it from some pretty homely dudes.Going to a prostitute is “cheating” for a person in a committed monogamous relationship, right? Going to a socially lower but otherwise willing woman? Anyone can do those things as far as I know? Trust me the guys who really want some variation don’t say “no, I guess not, because the only choices I have are prostitutes .” Being gay in a heterosexual commitment doesn’t stop someone from cheating either. It might increase the likelyhood?

A lot of people find a way to satisfy themselves that a variety of partners doesn’t add up to much. Usually we play the field and decide we want to settle down,hopefully choosing well. Many people find going from one to the next a shallow, not so soulful existence.You can get your tires slashed too. So as the temptation doesn’t go away either does this attitude/belief that the grass is not greener.

The men who respect monogamy do it because:
They gave their word that they would not play around and they have more to lose,including a high quality relationship/life experience if they do. While we are human we do not see that simple sexual conquests are going to add up to a tangible reward, compared to the arrangement we entered and share. Just seems of many possible “mature” paths to take, none of which are perfect.

There is no reason to convince a spouse that there are not temptations because she would be ridiculously naive to think otherwise. Also, if the spouses agree on anything it is none of anyone elses business. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Having one’s cake and eating it too may be possible but one shouldn’t overestimate the likely-hood that he would be the one to pull it off. Even if the partner agreed to share, trouble would often come of it.

It’s not a matter of denying yourself what you “want”. It’s saying “I want this more than that. No different than saying “I want to be healthy more than I want a completely self-indulgent diet”, even if are surrounded by an amazing smorgasbord of desserts.

[NotCranky]

Your observations are still missing some things, Dave.

It’s just a very high percentage of those 50% who don’t play around and many of those who do but quit(like Tiger), could still venture out one way or another. I used to participate in a men’s closed door discussion group and I heard a lot about it from some pretty homely dudes.Going to a prostitute is “cheating” for a person in a committed monogamous relationship, right? Going to a socially lower but otherwise willing woman? Anyone can do those things as far as I know? Trust me the guys who really want some variation don’t say “no, I guess not, because the only choices I have are prostitutes .” Being gay in a heterosexual commitment doesn’t stop someone from cheating either. It might increase the likelyhood?

A lot of people find a way to satisfy themselves that a variety of partners doesn’t add up to much. Usually we play the field and decide we want to settle down,hopefully choosing well. Many people find going from one to the next a shallow, not so soulful existence.You can get your tires slashed too. So as the temptation doesn’t go away either does this attitude/belief that the grass is not greener.

The men who respect monogamy do it because:
They gave their word that they would not play around and they have more to lose,including a high quality relationship/life experience if they do. While we are human we do not see that simple sexual conquests are going to add up to a tangible reward, compared to the arrangement we entered and share. Just seems of many possible “mature” paths to take, none of which are perfect.

There is no reason to convince a spouse that there are not temptations because she would be ridiculously naive to think otherwise. Also, if the spouses agree on anything it is none of anyone elses business. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Having one’s cake and eating it too may be possible but one shouldn’t overestimate the likely-hood that he would be the one to pull it off. Even if the partner agreed to share, trouble would often come of it.

It’s not a matter of denying yourself what you “want”. It’s saying “I want this more than that. No different than saying “I want to be healthy more than I want a completely self-indulgent diet”, even if are surrounded by an amazing smorgasbord of desserts.

[NotCranky]

Your observations are still missing some things, Dave.

It’s just a very high percentage of those 50% who don’t play around and many of those who do but quit(like Tiger), could still venture out one way or another. I used to participate in a men’s closed door discussion group and I heard a lot about it from some pretty homely dudes.Going to a prostitute is “cheating” for a person in a committed monogamous relationship, right? Going to a socially lower but otherwise willing woman? Anyone can do those things as far as I know? Trust me the guys who really want some variation don’t say “no, I guess not, because the only choices I have are prostitutes .” Being gay in a heterosexual commitment doesn’t stop someone from cheating either. It might increase the likelyhood?

A lot of people find a way to satisfy themselves that a variety of partners doesn’t add up to much. Usually we play the field and decide we want to settle down,hopefully choosing well. Many people find going from one to the next a shallow, not so soulful existence.You can get your tires slashed too. So as the temptation doesn’t go away either does this attitude/belief that the grass is not greener.

The men who respect monogamy do it because:
They gave their word that they would not play around and they have more to lose,including a high quality relationship/life experience if they do. While we are human we do not see that simple sexual conquests are going to add up to a tangible reward, compared to the arrangement we entered and share. Just seems of many possible “mature” paths to take, none of which are perfect.

There is no reason to convince a spouse that there are not temptations because she would be ridiculously naive to think otherwise. Also, if the spouses agree on anything it is none of anyone elses business. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Having one’s cake and eating it too may be possible but one shouldn’t overestimate the likely-hood that he would be the one to pull it off. Even if the partner agreed to share, trouble would often come of it.

It’s not a matter of denying yourself what you “want”. It’s saying “I want this more than that. No different than saying “I want to be healthy more than I want a completely self-indulgent diet”, even if are surrounded by an amazing smorgasbord of desserts.

[NotCranky]

Your observations are still missing some things, Dave.

It’s just a very high percentage of those 50% who don’t play around and many of those who do but quit(like Tiger), could still venture out one way or another. I used to participate in a men’s closed door discussion group and I heard a lot about it from some pretty homely dudes.Going to a prostitute is “cheating” for a person in a committed monogamous relationship, right? Going to a socially lower but otherwise willing woman? Anyone can do those things as far as I know? Trust me the guys who really want some variation don’t say “no, I guess not, because the only choices I have are prostitutes .” Being gay in a heterosexual commitment doesn’t stop someone from cheating either. It might increase the likelyhood?

A lot of people find a way to satisfy themselves that a variety of partners doesn’t add up to much. Usually we play the field and decide we want to settle down,hopefully choosing well. Many people find going from one to the next a shallow, not so soulful existence.You can get your tires slashed too. So as the temptation doesn’t go away either does this attitude/belief that the grass is not greener.

The men who respect monogamy do it because:
They gave their word that they would not play around and they have more to lose,including a high quality relationship/life experience if they do. While we are human we do not see that simple sexual conquests are going to add up to a tangible reward, compared to the arrangement we entered and share. Just seems of many possible “mature” paths to take, none of which are perfect.

There is no reason to convince a spouse that there are not temptations because she would be ridiculously naive to think otherwise. Also, if the spouses agree on anything it is none of anyone elses business. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Having one’s cake and eating it too may be possible but one shouldn’t overestimate the likely-hood that he would be the one to pull it off. Even if the partner agreed to share, trouble would often come of it.

It’s not a matter of denying yourself what you “want”. It’s saying “I want this more than that. No different than saying “I want to be healthy more than I want a completely self-indulgent diet”, even if are surrounded by an amazing smorgasbord of desserts.

[NotCranky]

Your observations are still missing some things, Dave.

It’s just a very high percentage of those 50% who don’t play around and many of those who do but quit(like Tiger), could still venture out one way or another. I used to participate in a men’s closed door discussion group and I heard a lot about it from some pretty homely dudes.Going to a prostitute is “cheating” for a person in a committed monogamous relationship, right? Going to a socially lower but otherwise willing woman? Anyone can do those things as far as I know? Trust me the guys who really want some variation don’t say “no, I guess not, because the only choices I have are prostitutes .” Being gay in a heterosexual commitment doesn’t stop someone from cheating either. It might increase the likelyhood?

A lot of people find a way to satisfy themselves that a variety of partners doesn’t add up to much. Usually we play the field and decide we want to settle down,hopefully choosing well. Many people find going from one to the next a shallow, not so soulful existence.You can get your tires slashed too. So as the temptation doesn’t go away either does this attitude/belief that the grass is not greener.

The men who respect monogamy do it because:
They gave their word that they would not play around and they have more to lose,including a high quality relationship/life experience if they do. While we are human we do not see that simple sexual conquests are going to add up to a tangible reward, compared to the arrangement we entered and share. Just seems of many possible “mature” paths to take, none of which are perfect.

There is no reason to convince a spouse that there are not temptations because she would be ridiculously naive to think otherwise. Also, if the spouses agree on anything it is none of anyone elses business. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Having one’s cake and eating it too may be possible but one shouldn’t overestimate the likely-hood that he would be the one to pull it off. Even if the partner agreed to share, trouble would often come of it.

It’s not a matter of denying yourself what you “want”. It’s saying “I want this more than that. No different than saying “I want to be healthy more than I want a completely self-indulgent diet”, even if are surrounded by an amazing smorgasbord of desserts.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Feel free to live the swinging lifestyle that you claim to hold so dear, but it’s a bit odd that you try to speak for and about people who are married…when you have no idea what it’s all about.[/quote]

I don’t believe I spoke for Hillary. I’m saying that we don’t know what her feelings are so we should not assume either way.

If our society were not so hypocritical, Bill Clinton would not have had to lie and we would’ve avoided a national embarrassment.

I believe that we would have been better off if Bill were allowed to say “Yes I had sex with that woman and it’s my business and hers. Next question please.”

I blame it all on the conservative bigots who are just as wicked as everybody else. But they hide their “sins” behind a holier than thou facade.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Feel free to live the swinging lifestyle that you claim to hold so dear, but it’s a bit odd that you try to speak for and about people who are married…when you have no idea what it’s all about.[/quote]

I don’t believe I spoke for Hillary. I’m saying that we don’t know what her feelings are so we should not assume either way.

If our society were not so hypocritical, Bill Clinton would not have had to lie and we would’ve avoided a national embarrassment.

I believe that we would have been better off if Bill were allowed to say “Yes I had sex with that woman and it’s my business and hers. Next question please.”

I blame it all on the conservative bigots who are just as wicked as everybody else. But they hide their “sins” behind a holier than thou facade.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Feel free to live the swinging lifestyle that you claim to hold so dear, but it’s a bit odd that you try to speak for and about people who are married…when you have no idea what it’s all about.[/quote]

I don’t believe I spoke for Hillary. I’m saying that we don’t know what her feelings are so we should not assume either way.

If our society were not so hypocritical, Bill Clinton would not have had to lie and we would’ve avoided a national embarrassment.

I believe that we would have been better off if Bill were allowed to say “Yes I had sex with that woman and it’s my business and hers. Next question please.”

I blame it all on the conservative bigots who are just as wicked as everybody else. But they hide their “sins” behind a holier than thou facade.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Feel free to live the swinging lifestyle that you claim to hold so dear, but it’s a bit odd that you try to speak for and about people who are married…when you have no idea what it’s all about.[/quote]

I don’t believe I spoke for Hillary. I’m saying that we don’t know what her feelings are so we should not assume either way.

If our society were not so hypocritical, Bill Clinton would not have had to lie and we would’ve avoided a national embarrassment.

I believe that we would have been better off if Bill were allowed to say “Yes I had sex with that woman and it’s my business and hers. Next question please.”

I blame it all on the conservative bigots who are just as wicked as everybody else. But they hide their “sins” behind a holier than thou facade.

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