OT: “Bob Rubin Just Wants to be Cuddled”

[briansd1]

[quote=babu]There is a lot of talk here about how some married man might be tempted on a daily basis. That seems very unlikely to me. Very few men get that kind of attention, married or not.
[/quote]

Money and or perceived power makes all the difference for men.

That’s why men need money if they want sex, especially if they are not attractive.

For example, a Gringo in Mexico would get more attention than he would back in the States because of the perceived wealth and power.

When men are young, power is sports and muscles.

When men get old, power becomes profession and money.

[quote=babu]
That is the real travesty here: Faithfulness suddenly becomes a priority when they are no longer young and pretty.

[/quote]

I don’t think that it’s faithfulness, per se; but faithfulness and children are the tools by which to hang on to wealth and security.

Faith and faithfulness are the means by which to keep people captive to a certain order.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]Oh, and it’s “a big deal” because most married people understand that sex is a sacred act. [/quote]

Yeah, I don’t get the “sacred act” part. And it’s not that married people “understand” that sex is a sacred act. It’s that they’ve been inculcated by culture into believing that it’s “supposed” to be a sacred act. (The rest of the animal kingdom doesn’t view sex as a sacred act… and we’re just “advanced” animals.) Just nitpicking a bit over your choice of words.

[quote=CA renter]
We understand the risks WRT disease, pregnancies, and unstable mistresses/boyfriends who become obsessive — sometimes with fatal results for the rest of the family.[/quote]

Condoms are 99%+ effective where disease and pregnancies are concerned and sure there are some unstable partners out there… but there are unstable husbands and wives as well… there are unstable folks everywhere.

[quote=CA renter]
You wouldn’t understand because you’ve obviously never felt the deep emotional bond with another person that would make you want to spend the rest of your life and possibly have children with that person. [/quote]

Correct. I’ve been in some long-term relationships – once for almost seven years – but I’ve never wanted to spend the rest of my life or have children with anyone. That’s a bridge too far for me. Although… that’s a bridge too far for a lot of folks apparently – as borne out by the divorce and adultery statistics – they just don’t realize it until it’s too late.

[quote=CA renter]
For single people (especially you and Brian, apparently), perhaps it’s not a big deal if someone sleeps around on you, but don’t assume that married people should share your beliefs. Our realities are far different from yours.[/quote]

If you put “Some of” at the beginning of that last sentence I’ll agree with you.

[quote=CA renter]
BTW, do you (honestly) encourage all of your girlfriends to sleep around on you? Does it honestly not bother you?[/quote]

“Encourage” is probably too strong a word. I “encourage” any girl I’m dating to do what makes her happy – and that includes sleeping with other dudes, if in fact that’s what she wants to do, with proper safety precautions, of course. It honestly doesn’t bother me one single bit. (Why should it bother me, exactly?) I’m not interested in owning anyone’s sexuality. And it gives me the freedom of not allowing anyone else to feel as if they should own mine. The root of jealousies of all flavors is ultimately some form of insecurity.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]Oh, and it’s “a big deal” because most married people understand that sex is a sacred act. [/quote]

Yeah, I don’t get the “sacred act” part. And it’s not that married people “understand” that sex is a sacred act. It’s that they’ve been inculcated by culture into believing that it’s “supposed” to be a sacred act. (The rest of the animal kingdom doesn’t view sex as a sacred act… and we’re just “advanced” animals.) Just nitpicking a bit over your choice of words.

[quote=CA renter]
We understand the risks WRT disease, pregnancies, and unstable mistresses/boyfriends who become obsessive — sometimes with fatal results for the rest of the family.[/quote]

Condoms are 99%+ effective where disease and pregnancies are concerned and sure there are some unstable partners out there… but there are unstable husbands and wives as well… there are unstable folks everywhere.

[quote=CA renter]
You wouldn’t understand because you’ve obviously never felt the deep emotional bond with another person that would make you want to spend the rest of your life and possibly have children with that person. [/quote]

Correct. I’ve been in some long-term relationships – once for almost seven years – but I’ve never wanted to spend the rest of my life or have children with anyone. That’s a bridge too far for me. Although… that’s a bridge too far for a lot of folks apparently – as borne out by the divorce and adultery statistics – they just don’t realize it until it’s too late.

[quote=CA renter]
For single people (especially you and Brian, apparently), perhaps it’s not a big deal if someone sleeps around on you, but don’t assume that married people should share your beliefs. Our realities are far different from yours.[/quote]

If you put “Some of” at the beginning of that last sentence I’ll agree with you.

[quote=CA renter]
BTW, do you (honestly) encourage all of your girlfriends to sleep around on you? Does it honestly not bother you?[/quote]

“Encourage” is probably too strong a word. I “encourage” any girl I’m dating to do what makes her happy – and that includes sleeping with other dudes, if in fact that’s what she wants to do, with proper safety precautions, of course. It honestly doesn’t bother me one single bit. (Why should it bother me, exactly?) I’m not interested in owning anyone’s sexuality. And it gives me the freedom of not allowing anyone else to feel as if they should own mine. The root of jealousies of all flavors is ultimately some form of insecurity.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]Oh, and it’s “a big deal” because most married people understand that sex is a sacred act. [/quote]

Yeah, I don’t get the “sacred act” part. And it’s not that married people “understand” that sex is a sacred act. It’s that they’ve been inculcated by culture into believing that it’s “supposed” to be a sacred act. (The rest of the animal kingdom doesn’t view sex as a sacred act… and we’re just “advanced” animals.) Just nitpicking a bit over your choice of words.

[quote=CA renter]
We understand the risks WRT disease, pregnancies, and unstable mistresses/boyfriends who become obsessive — sometimes with fatal results for the rest of the family.[/quote]

Condoms are 99%+ effective where disease and pregnancies are concerned and sure there are some unstable partners out there… but there are unstable husbands and wives as well… there are unstable folks everywhere.

[quote=CA renter]
You wouldn’t understand because you’ve obviously never felt the deep emotional bond with another person that would make you want to spend the rest of your life and possibly have children with that person. [/quote]

Correct. I’ve been in some long-term relationships – once for almost seven years – but I’ve never wanted to spend the rest of my life or have children with anyone. That’s a bridge too far for me. Although… that’s a bridge too far for a lot of folks apparently – as borne out by the divorce and adultery statistics – they just don’t realize it until it’s too late.

[quote=CA renter]
For single people (especially you and Brian, apparently), perhaps it’s not a big deal if someone sleeps around on you, but don’t assume that married people should share your beliefs. Our realities are far different from yours.[/quote]

If you put “Some of” at the beginning of that last sentence I’ll agree with you.

[quote=CA renter]
BTW, do you (honestly) encourage all of your girlfriends to sleep around on you? Does it honestly not bother you?[/quote]

“Encourage” is probably too strong a word. I “encourage” any girl I’m dating to do what makes her happy – and that includes sleeping with other dudes, if in fact that’s what she wants to do, with proper safety precautions, of course. It honestly doesn’t bother me one single bit. (Why should it bother me, exactly?) I’m not interested in owning anyone’s sexuality. And it gives me the freedom of not allowing anyone else to feel as if they should own mine. The root of jealousies of all flavors is ultimately some form of insecurity.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]Oh, and it’s “a big deal” because most married people understand that sex is a sacred act. [/quote]

Yeah, I don’t get the “sacred act” part. And it’s not that married people “understand” that sex is a sacred act. It’s that they’ve been inculcated by culture into believing that it’s “supposed” to be a sacred act. (The rest of the animal kingdom doesn’t view sex as a sacred act… and we’re just “advanced” animals.) Just nitpicking a bit over your choice of words.

[quote=CA renter]
We understand the risks WRT disease, pregnancies, and unstable mistresses/boyfriends who become obsessive — sometimes with fatal results for the rest of the family.[/quote]

Condoms are 99%+ effective where disease and pregnancies are concerned and sure there are some unstable partners out there… but there are unstable husbands and wives as well… there are unstable folks everywhere.

[quote=CA renter]
You wouldn’t understand because you’ve obviously never felt the deep emotional bond with another person that would make you want to spend the rest of your life and possibly have children with that person. [/quote]

Correct. I’ve been in some long-term relationships – once for almost seven years – but I’ve never wanted to spend the rest of my life or have children with anyone. That’s a bridge too far for me. Although… that’s a bridge too far for a lot of folks apparently – as borne out by the divorce and adultery statistics – they just don’t realize it until it’s too late.

[quote=CA renter]
For single people (especially you and Brian, apparently), perhaps it’s not a big deal if someone sleeps around on you, but don’t assume that married people should share your beliefs. Our realities are far different from yours.[/quote]

If you put “Some of” at the beginning of that last sentence I’ll agree with you.

[quote=CA renter]
BTW, do you (honestly) encourage all of your girlfriends to sleep around on you? Does it honestly not bother you?[/quote]

“Encourage” is probably too strong a word. I “encourage” any girl I’m dating to do what makes her happy – and that includes sleeping with other dudes, if in fact that’s what she wants to do, with proper safety precautions, of course. It honestly doesn’t bother me one single bit. (Why should it bother me, exactly?) I’m not interested in owning anyone’s sexuality. And it gives me the freedom of not allowing anyone else to feel as if they should own mine. The root of jealousies of all flavors is ultimately some form of insecurity.

[davelj]

[quote=CA renter]Oh, and it’s “a big deal” because most married people understand that sex is a sacred act. [/quote]

Yeah, I don’t get the “sacred act” part. And it’s not that married people “understand” that sex is a sacred act. It’s that they’ve been inculcated by culture into believing that it’s “supposed” to be a sacred act. (The rest of the animal kingdom doesn’t view sex as a sacred act… and we’re just “advanced” animals.) Just nitpicking a bit over your choice of words.

[quote=CA renter]
We understand the risks WRT disease, pregnancies, and unstable mistresses/boyfriends who become obsessive — sometimes with fatal results for the rest of the family.[/quote]

Condoms are 99%+ effective where disease and pregnancies are concerned and sure there are some unstable partners out there… but there are unstable husbands and wives as well… there are unstable folks everywhere.

[quote=CA renter]
You wouldn’t understand because you’ve obviously never felt the deep emotional bond with another person that would make you want to spend the rest of your life and possibly have children with that person. [/quote]

Correct. I’ve been in some long-term relationships – once for almost seven years – but I’ve never wanted to spend the rest of my life or have children with anyone. That’s a bridge too far for me. Although… that’s a bridge too far for a lot of folks apparently – as borne out by the divorce and adultery statistics – they just don’t realize it until it’s too late.

[quote=CA renter]
For single people (especially you and Brian, apparently), perhaps it’s not a big deal if someone sleeps around on you, but don’t assume that married people should share your beliefs. Our realities are far different from yours.[/quote]

If you put “Some of” at the beginning of that last sentence I’ll agree with you.

[quote=CA renter]
BTW, do you (honestly) encourage all of your girlfriends to sleep around on you? Does it honestly not bother you?[/quote]

“Encourage” is probably too strong a word. I “encourage” any girl I’m dating to do what makes her happy – and that includes sleeping with other dudes, if in fact that’s what she wants to do, with proper safety precautions, of course. It honestly doesn’t bother me one single bit. (Why should it bother me, exactly?) I’m not interested in owning anyone’s sexuality. And it gives me the freedom of not allowing anyone else to feel as if they should own mine. The root of jealousies of all flavors is ultimately some form of insecurity.

[briansd1]

What did I say earlier about the hypocrisy of social conservatives? I saw this on Jay Leno last night.

I’ve gotten to a point where I just plain ignore what social conservatives talk about.

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.

Anti-gay organization founder travels with a ‘rentboy’

The man on the right is George Rekers, a Baptist minister, former University of South Carolina professor, and a founding board member of the anti-gay Family Research Council.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/anti-gay-organization-fou_b_563633.html

[briansd1]

What did I say earlier about the hypocrisy of social conservatives? I saw this on Jay Leno last night.

I’ve gotten to a point where I just plain ignore what social conservatives talk about.

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.

Anti-gay organization founder travels with a ‘rentboy’

The man on the right is George Rekers, a Baptist minister, former University of South Carolina professor, and a founding board member of the anti-gay Family Research Council.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/anti-gay-organization-fou_b_563633.html

[briansd1]

What did I say earlier about the hypocrisy of social conservatives? I saw this on Jay Leno last night.

I’ve gotten to a point where I just plain ignore what social conservatives talk about.

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.

Anti-gay organization founder travels with a ‘rentboy’

The man on the right is George Rekers, a Baptist minister, former University of South Carolina professor, and a founding board member of the anti-gay Family Research Council.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/anti-gay-organization-fou_b_563633.html

[briansd1]

What did I say earlier about the hypocrisy of social conservatives? I saw this on Jay Leno last night.

I’ve gotten to a point where I just plain ignore what social conservatives talk about.

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.

Anti-gay organization founder travels with a ‘rentboy’

The man on the right is George Rekers, a Baptist minister, former University of South Carolina professor, and a founding board member of the anti-gay Family Research Council.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/anti-gay-organization-fou_b_563633.html

[briansd1]

What did I say earlier about the hypocrisy of social conservatives? I saw this on Jay Leno last night.

I’ve gotten to a point where I just plain ignore what social conservatives talk about.

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.

Anti-gay organization founder travels with a ‘rentboy’

The man on the right is George Rekers, a Baptist minister, former University of South Carolina professor, and a founding board member of the anti-gay Family Research Council.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alvin-mcewen/anti-gay-organization-fou_b_563633.html

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.
[/quote]

While Edwards and Sanford may not be “social conservatives,” they ran for office as Dedicated Family Men. That was part of their – and most politicians’ – platform. They are politicians and public figures and if part of your platform is the Dedicated Family Man, then that’s what you should live up to. Rightly or wrongly, that’s why many of their constituents voted for them. So, I don’t let Edwards or Sanford off the hook for their behavior. As private citizens, well that’s another story.

In contrast, Barney Frank – whose policies I often disagree with – doesn’t hide from the fact that he’s gay. His constituents know it. I can respect that.

Edwards and Sanford, on the other hand, are lying hypocrites who got caught. Exit stage left, please.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.
[/quote]

While Edwards and Sanford may not be “social conservatives,” they ran for office as Dedicated Family Men. That was part of their – and most politicians’ – platform. They are politicians and public figures and if part of your platform is the Dedicated Family Man, then that’s what you should live up to. Rightly or wrongly, that’s why many of their constituents voted for them. So, I don’t let Edwards or Sanford off the hook for their behavior. As private citizens, well that’s another story.

In contrast, Barney Frank – whose policies I often disagree with – doesn’t hide from the fact that he’s gay. His constituents know it. I can respect that.

Edwards and Sanford, on the other hand, are lying hypocrites who got caught. Exit stage left, please.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.
[/quote]

While Edwards and Sanford may not be “social conservatives,” they ran for office as Dedicated Family Men. That was part of their – and most politicians’ – platform. They are politicians and public figures and if part of your platform is the Dedicated Family Man, then that’s what you should live up to. Rightly or wrongly, that’s why many of their constituents voted for them. So, I don’t let Edwards or Sanford off the hook for their behavior. As private citizens, well that’s another story.

In contrast, Barney Frank – whose policies I often disagree with – doesn’t hide from the fact that he’s gay. His constituents know it. I can respect that.

Edwards and Sanford, on the other hand, are lying hypocrites who got caught. Exit stage left, please.

[davelj]

[quote=briansd1]

We live in a hypocritical society. I feel sorry for John Edwards and Mark Sanford. Their sex lives have nothing to do with their leadership abilities.
[/quote]

While Edwards and Sanford may not be “social conservatives,” they ran for office as Dedicated Family Men. That was part of their – and most politicians’ – platform. They are politicians and public figures and if part of your platform is the Dedicated Family Man, then that’s what you should live up to. Rightly or wrongly, that’s why many of their constituents voted for them. So, I don’t let Edwards or Sanford off the hook for their behavior. As private citizens, well that’s another story.

In contrast, Barney Frank – whose policies I often disagree with – doesn’t hide from the fact that he’s gay. His constituents know it. I can respect that.

Edwards and Sanford, on the other hand, are lying hypocrites who got caught. Exit stage left, please.

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