OT: Public pay & benefits

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joe
Good post. BTW, I exclude cops from this conversation as i think they really have shitty dangerous jobs I would want no part of but fireman have great jobs that alot of people would and could do if they understood what the opportunity really was about. It has been said more than once on this thread that it is all about the training they get. Give me a reasonably athletic person with slightly above average intelligence and I beleive we could make them a great fireman. Let the general public know that there are 6 figures incomes to be had in that profession with incredible early retirement benefits and we would have star athletes with very high intelligence fighting for those jobs.

[Anonymous]

Agree that we really can’t group police and fire together in this discussion. They are actually quite different jobs and the markets for qualified employees is likely very different as well.

So let’s continue to just pick on just the firemen 😉

From the SD Fire website:

The City does not advertise widely for positions where the number of local applicants significantly exceeds the number of jobs available, such as Fire Recruit. These jobs are opened infrequently and the resulting eligibility list usually lasts for two years.

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/sdflssops.shtml

The minimal requirements are surprisingly modest:

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/faqcareers.shtml

(No height/weight requirement?)

This is the only data we need. It clearly shows that the market for firefighters is out of whack. Which means the price is not right.

Firefighting is a physically demanding, slightly dangerous, blue collar job that requires a few months of specialized training to get started and continuous supplemental training throughout one’s career.

It’s entirely reasonable that one should make a good living doing that kind of job.

But there are dozens of other jobs out there with the same characteristics. For every city firefighter, there are thousands of people who perform jobs with similar characteristics every day (specialized construction/miners/oil rig workers/fishermen/utility workers/trucking/railroad workers/heavy manufacturing/etc.) The vast majority of people with these jobs could also be qualified firefighters (after they receive the training provided by the government.)

The only difference between most other specialty blue-collar jobs and firefighters is the pay.

Can someone tell me other job where the employers don’t even bother to recruit and there two-year waiting-list for applicants?

[Anonymous]

Agree that we really can’t group police and fire together in this discussion. They are actually quite different jobs and the markets for qualified employees is likely very different as well.

So let’s continue to just pick on just the firemen 😉

From the SD Fire website:

The City does not advertise widely for positions where the number of local applicants significantly exceeds the number of jobs available, such as Fire Recruit. These jobs are opened infrequently and the resulting eligibility list usually lasts for two years.

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/sdflssops.shtml

The minimal requirements are surprisingly modest:

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/faqcareers.shtml

(No height/weight requirement?)

This is the only data we need. It clearly shows that the market for firefighters is out of whack. Which means the price is not right.

Firefighting is a physically demanding, slightly dangerous, blue collar job that requires a few months of specialized training to get started and continuous supplemental training throughout one’s career.

It’s entirely reasonable that one should make a good living doing that kind of job.

But there are dozens of other jobs out there with the same characteristics. For every city firefighter, there are thousands of people who perform jobs with similar characteristics every day (specialized construction/miners/oil rig workers/fishermen/utility workers/trucking/railroad workers/heavy manufacturing/etc.) The vast majority of people with these jobs could also be qualified firefighters (after they receive the training provided by the government.)

The only difference between most other specialty blue-collar jobs and firefighters is the pay.

Can someone tell me other job where the employers don’t even bother to recruit and there two-year waiting-list for applicants?

[Anonymous]

Agree that we really can’t group police and fire together in this discussion. They are actually quite different jobs and the markets for qualified employees is likely very different as well.

So let’s continue to just pick on just the firemen 😉

From the SD Fire website:

The City does not advertise widely for positions where the number of local applicants significantly exceeds the number of jobs available, such as Fire Recruit. These jobs are opened infrequently and the resulting eligibility list usually lasts for two years.

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/sdflssops.shtml

The minimal requirements are surprisingly modest:

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/faqcareers.shtml

(No height/weight requirement?)

This is the only data we need. It clearly shows that the market for firefighters is out of whack. Which means the price is not right.

Firefighting is a physically demanding, slightly dangerous, blue collar job that requires a few months of specialized training to get started and continuous supplemental training throughout one’s career.

It’s entirely reasonable that one should make a good living doing that kind of job.

But there are dozens of other jobs out there with the same characteristics. For every city firefighter, there are thousands of people who perform jobs with similar characteristics every day (specialized construction/miners/oil rig workers/fishermen/utility workers/trucking/railroad workers/heavy manufacturing/etc.) The vast majority of people with these jobs could also be qualified firefighters (after they receive the training provided by the government.)

The only difference between most other specialty blue-collar jobs and firefighters is the pay.

Can someone tell me other job where the employers don’t even bother to recruit and there two-year waiting-list for applicants?

[Anonymous]

Agree that we really can’t group police and fire together in this discussion. They are actually quite different jobs and the markets for qualified employees is likely very different as well.

So let’s continue to just pick on just the firemen 😉

From the SD Fire website:

The City does not advertise widely for positions where the number of local applicants significantly exceeds the number of jobs available, such as Fire Recruit. These jobs are opened infrequently and the resulting eligibility list usually lasts for two years.

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/sdflssops.shtml

The minimal requirements are surprisingly modest:

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/faqcareers.shtml

(No height/weight requirement?)

This is the only data we need. It clearly shows that the market for firefighters is out of whack. Which means the price is not right.

Firefighting is a physically demanding, slightly dangerous, blue collar job that requires a few months of specialized training to get started and continuous supplemental training throughout one’s career.

It’s entirely reasonable that one should make a good living doing that kind of job.

But there are dozens of other jobs out there with the same characteristics. For every city firefighter, there are thousands of people who perform jobs with similar characteristics every day (specialized construction/miners/oil rig workers/fishermen/utility workers/trucking/railroad workers/heavy manufacturing/etc.) The vast majority of people with these jobs could also be qualified firefighters (after they receive the training provided by the government.)

The only difference between most other specialty blue-collar jobs and firefighters is the pay.

Can someone tell me other job where the employers don’t even bother to recruit and there two-year waiting-list for applicants?

[Anonymous]

Agree that we really can’t group police and fire together in this discussion. They are actually quite different jobs and the markets for qualified employees is likely very different as well.

So let’s continue to just pick on just the firemen 😉

From the SD Fire website:

The City does not advertise widely for positions where the number of local applicants significantly exceeds the number of jobs available, such as Fire Recruit. These jobs are opened infrequently and the resulting eligibility list usually lasts for two years.

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/sdflssops.shtml

The minimal requirements are surprisingly modest:

http://www.sandiego.gov/fireandems/careers/faqcareers.shtml

(No height/weight requirement?)

This is the only data we need. It clearly shows that the market for firefighters is out of whack. Which means the price is not right.

Firefighting is a physically demanding, slightly dangerous, blue collar job that requires a few months of specialized training to get started and continuous supplemental training throughout one’s career.

It’s entirely reasonable that one should make a good living doing that kind of job.

But there are dozens of other jobs out there with the same characteristics. For every city firefighter, there are thousands of people who perform jobs with similar characteristics every day (specialized construction/miners/oil rig workers/fishermen/utility workers/trucking/railroad workers/heavy manufacturing/etc.) The vast majority of people with these jobs could also be qualified firefighters (after they receive the training provided by the government.)

The only difference between most other specialty blue-collar jobs and firefighters is the pay.

Can someone tell me other job where the employers don’t even bother to recruit and there two-year waiting-list for applicants?

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Ice creme taster at Ben & Jerry’s?

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Ice creme taster at Ben & Jerry’s?

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Ice creme taster at Ben & Jerry’s?

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pri_dk – firefighter Base Monthly Salary Range From $3258 to $5,500.

You guys are saying 3k a month is exorbitant? The upper end is probably when there’s a fire and you have to work so many days straight of overtime.

Also those are “minimum” requirements to APPLY. You probably will have to be trained to do much more and if you are not able, then you probably wouldn’t meet the next qualification.

For example, when applying to be a cop, you have to take a physical, written and oral interview. That is the “minimum” to APPLY. Then you have approximately 8 months of something similar to bootcamp. Many people don’t make it through bootcamp.

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pri_dk – firefighter Base Monthly Salary Range From $3258 to $5,500.

You guys are saying 3k a month is exorbitant? The upper end is probably when there’s a fire and you have to work so many days straight of overtime.

Also those are “minimum” requirements to APPLY. You probably will have to be trained to do much more and if you are not able, then you probably wouldn’t meet the next qualification.

For example, when applying to be a cop, you have to take a physical, written and oral interview. That is the “minimum” to APPLY. Then you have approximately 8 months of something similar to bootcamp. Many people don’t make it through bootcamp.

[jpinpb]

pri_dk – firefighter Base Monthly Salary Range From $3258 to $5,500.

You guys are saying 3k a month is exorbitant? The upper end is probably when there’s a fire and you have to work so many days straight of overtime.

Also those are “minimum” requirements to APPLY. You probably will have to be trained to do much more and if you are not able, then you probably wouldn’t meet the next qualification.

For example, when applying to be a cop, you have to take a physical, written and oral interview. That is the “minimum” to APPLY. Then you have approximately 8 months of something similar to bootcamp. Many people don’t make it through bootcamp.

[jpinpb]

pri_dk – firefighter Base Monthly Salary Range From $3258 to $5,500.

You guys are saying 3k a month is exorbitant? The upper end is probably when there’s a fire and you have to work so many days straight of overtime.

Also those are “minimum” requirements to APPLY. You probably will have to be trained to do much more and if you are not able, then you probably wouldn’t meet the next qualification.

For example, when applying to be a cop, you have to take a physical, written and oral interview. That is the “minimum” to APPLY. Then you have approximately 8 months of something similar to bootcamp. Many people don’t make it through bootcamp.

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