OT: Public pay & benefits

[CA renter]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=jpinpb]Do you want someone who may not have the proper qualifications and training to save you in a burning house just b/c you’re saving a buck?
[/quote]

Strawman.

Never said we lower the standards or decrease the amount of training they receive before they start the job.

To answer the question you are really asking:

Yes, I am comfortable that my family and I will still be just as safe if we lower the pay for city firefighters. Their compensation is far above the threshold that would impact performance or quality.

Phase out their pensions, and they won’t quit. And if they do, qualified people will still be available to fill the slot.

The public gets quality services, the firefighters still make a good living, and the government doesn’t go broke. In other words, a solution that works. (Because the status quo is *not* working.)

And for those firefighters that would choose to do a half-assed job out of spite – they aren’t really heroes, are they?[/quote]

Again, you’re making assumptions about things you don’t know anything about.

Have you actually talked to the people who hire and train public safety officers? Do you have any proof that lower-paid departments have employees who are just as efficient and well-trained as those in higher-paid departments?

Do you really think these people will stick it out in the fire/police department when they have no benefits to compel them to stay? You think they’ll do these jobs when flippers and realtors are making more than they are? Really?

[jpinpb]

[quote=pri_dk]
Never said we lower the standards or decrease the amount of training they receive before they start the job.[/quote]

But you are making an assumption that someone could even be qualified physically, mentally, psychologically sufficiently to be trained.

[quote=pri_dk]
Phase out their pensions, and they won’t quit. And if they do, qualified people will still be available to fill the slot.[/quote]

Again, you are making the assumption that there will be people who will want to do this job. Perhaps there are so many applicants is b/c of the fact there is a pension. The problem is that not very many people meet the physical, mental, psychological criteria to be accepted.

And as CAR said, what guarantee is there that they will stay, that they won’t be fair-weathered and as soon as there’s a better paying job, the city loses even more money for the training they provided. But if you have a pension that you dangle, that is a form of security that they will continue the job and not leave for greener pastures.

[jpinpb]

[quote=pri_dk]
Never said we lower the standards or decrease the amount of training they receive before they start the job.[/quote]

But you are making an assumption that someone could even be qualified physically, mentally, psychologically sufficiently to be trained.

[quote=pri_dk]
Phase out their pensions, and they won’t quit. And if they do, qualified people will still be available to fill the slot.[/quote]

Again, you are making the assumption that there will be people who will want to do this job. Perhaps there are so many applicants is b/c of the fact there is a pension. The problem is that not very many people meet the physical, mental, psychological criteria to be accepted.

And as CAR said, what guarantee is there that they will stay, that they won’t be fair-weathered and as soon as there’s a better paying job, the city loses even more money for the training they provided. But if you have a pension that you dangle, that is a form of security that they will continue the job and not leave for greener pastures.

[jpinpb]

[quote=pri_dk]
Never said we lower the standards or decrease the amount of training they receive before they start the job.[/quote]

But you are making an assumption that someone could even be qualified physically, mentally, psychologically sufficiently to be trained.

[quote=pri_dk]
Phase out their pensions, and they won’t quit. And if they do, qualified people will still be available to fill the slot.[/quote]

Again, you are making the assumption that there will be people who will want to do this job. Perhaps there are so many applicants is b/c of the fact there is a pension. The problem is that not very many people meet the physical, mental, psychological criteria to be accepted.

And as CAR said, what guarantee is there that they will stay, that they won’t be fair-weathered and as soon as there’s a better paying job, the city loses even more money for the training they provided. But if you have a pension that you dangle, that is a form of security that they will continue the job and not leave for greener pastures.

[jpinpb]

[quote=pri_dk]
Never said we lower the standards or decrease the amount of training they receive before they start the job.[/quote]

But you are making an assumption that someone could even be qualified physically, mentally, psychologically sufficiently to be trained.

[quote=pri_dk]
Phase out their pensions, and they won’t quit. And if they do, qualified people will still be available to fill the slot.[/quote]

Again, you are making the assumption that there will be people who will want to do this job. Perhaps there are so many applicants is b/c of the fact there is a pension. The problem is that not very many people meet the physical, mental, psychological criteria to be accepted.

And as CAR said, what guarantee is there that they will stay, that they won’t be fair-weathered and as soon as there’s a better paying job, the city loses even more money for the training they provided. But if you have a pension that you dangle, that is a form of security that they will continue the job and not leave for greener pastures.

[jpinpb]

[quote=pri_dk]
Never said we lower the standards or decrease the amount of training they receive before they start the job.[/quote]

But you are making an assumption that someone could even be qualified physically, mentally, psychologically sufficiently to be trained.

[quote=pri_dk]
Phase out their pensions, and they won’t quit. And if they do, qualified people will still be available to fill the slot.[/quote]

Again, you are making the assumption that there will be people who will want to do this job. Perhaps there are so many applicants is b/c of the fact there is a pension. The problem is that not very many people meet the physical, mental, psychological criteria to be accepted.

And as CAR said, what guarantee is there that they will stay, that they won’t be fair-weathered and as soon as there’s a better paying job, the city loses even more money for the training they provided. But if you have a pension that you dangle, that is a form of security that they will continue the job and not leave for greener pastures.

[jpinpb]

I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.

[jpinpb]

I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.

[jpinpb]

I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.

[jpinpb]

I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.

[jpinpb]

I give up. Let’s hire all those mall cops and security guards. I don’t care. I’ve got my AR to protect me when complete chaos breaks out.

[sdrealtor]

Football players are overpaid in spite of the fact that those that actually get paid for doing so are an infintismally small percentage of the population, the avg career is about 3 years, they are virtually guaranteed to be permanently disabled in some way and they get virtually no benefits upon retirement. The problem is public servants have virtually guaranteed lifetime employment and benefits at wages that dont seem communsurate with their work relative to other occupations. No one i saying they should be paid $10/hour but mid 6 figure incomes are well above what most folks in the private sector earn with just as tough jobs. While I regret none of the decisions I made in life, if I could step into a time machine and go back to the day I graduated knowing what I know today, while I defintely wouldnt want to be a cop I certainly wouldnt rule out being a fireman.

[sdrealtor]

Football players are overpaid in spite of the fact that those that actually get paid for doing so are an infintismally small percentage of the population, the avg career is about 3 years, they are virtually guaranteed to be permanently disabled in some way and they get virtually no benefits upon retirement. The problem is public servants have virtually guaranteed lifetime employment and benefits at wages that dont seem communsurate with their work relative to other occupations. No one i saying they should be paid $10/hour but mid 6 figure incomes are well above what most folks in the private sector earn with just as tough jobs. While I regret none of the decisions I made in life, if I could step into a time machine and go back to the day I graduated knowing what I know today, while I defintely wouldnt want to be a cop I certainly wouldnt rule out being a fireman.

[sdrealtor]

Football players are overpaid in spite of the fact that those that actually get paid for doing so are an infintismally small percentage of the population, the avg career is about 3 years, they are virtually guaranteed to be permanently disabled in some way and they get virtually no benefits upon retirement. The problem is public servants have virtually guaranteed lifetime employment and benefits at wages that dont seem communsurate with their work relative to other occupations. No one i saying they should be paid $10/hour but mid 6 figure incomes are well above what most folks in the private sector earn with just as tough jobs. While I regret none of the decisions I made in life, if I could step into a time machine and go back to the day I graduated knowing what I know today, while I defintely wouldnt want to be a cop I certainly wouldnt rule out being a fireman.

[sdrealtor]

Football players are overpaid in spite of the fact that those that actually get paid for doing so are an infintismally small percentage of the population, the avg career is about 3 years, they are virtually guaranteed to be permanently disabled in some way and they get virtually no benefits upon retirement. The problem is public servants have virtually guaranteed lifetime employment and benefits at wages that dont seem communsurate with their work relative to other occupations. No one i saying they should be paid $10/hour but mid 6 figure incomes are well above what most folks in the private sector earn with just as tough jobs. While I regret none of the decisions I made in life, if I could step into a time machine and go back to the day I graduated knowing what I know today, while I defintely wouldnt want to be a cop I certainly wouldnt rule out being a fireman.

[Author]

Posts