OT: Public pay & benefits

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]
Another dumb question. Is the city council a full-time job? I thought it was part-time. Why don’t they just pay these folks an extra $20K each year they’re on the city council and bag the retirement package altogether? All of these freaks are still going to run for office.[/quote]

They have public/open meetings on Mon/Tue. I assume they have the occasional close door meetings, less often. I think the # of hours put in depends on the council person… Mine doesn’t seem to put in a lot of hours… I’m not impressed.

Your idea to just bag the pension and give them the cash is a winner. You’re right – they’d still run for office.

[jstoesz]

Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?

[jstoesz]

Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?

[jstoesz]

Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?

[jstoesz]

Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?

[jstoesz]

Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?

[Coronita]

[quote=davelj][quote=flu][quote=davelj]

I’ve got a dumb question about this chart. Does this mean that, for example, Sherri Lightner could serve on the City Council for, say, 5 years and leave with a pension of $21K annually? So, she could pick up a “lifetime benefit” worth over $500K (or $100K per year of service) for serving on the City Council for a handful of years? Am I reading that correctly?[/quote]

Yup… though I believe the magic number is 8 years of service…for a lifetime pension of the listed amount. Todd Gloria (30ish has it made)….

Again, not sure I understand how “stressful/dangerous” this job could be….

Like i said, when/if I sell my company and semi- retire, I think I’m going to run for city council….[/quote]

Another dumb question. Is the city council a full-time job? I thought it was part-time. Why don’t they just pay these folks an extra $20K each year they’re on the city council and bag the retirement package altogether? All of these freaks are still going to run for office.[/quote]

Define full time. I seriously doubt these folks work even “work” 9-5 daily.

You folks should also take note of two councilmen…

Carl DeMaio and Kevin Faulconer are the only two councilmen who do NOT accept the pension

As far as the other council folks. I’m pretty sure they are double dipping…. Doesn’t Donna Frye also have her own business?

[Coronita]

[quote=davelj][quote=flu][quote=davelj]

I’ve got a dumb question about this chart. Does this mean that, for example, Sherri Lightner could serve on the City Council for, say, 5 years and leave with a pension of $21K annually? So, she could pick up a “lifetime benefit” worth over $500K (or $100K per year of service) for serving on the City Council for a handful of years? Am I reading that correctly?[/quote]

Yup… though I believe the magic number is 8 years of service…for a lifetime pension of the listed amount. Todd Gloria (30ish has it made)….

Again, not sure I understand how “stressful/dangerous” this job could be….

Like i said, when/if I sell my company and semi- retire, I think I’m going to run for city council….[/quote]

Another dumb question. Is the city council a full-time job? I thought it was part-time. Why don’t they just pay these folks an extra $20K each year they’re on the city council and bag the retirement package altogether? All of these freaks are still going to run for office.[/quote]

Define full time. I seriously doubt these folks work even “work” 9-5 daily.

You folks should also take note of two councilmen…

Carl DeMaio and Kevin Faulconer are the only two councilmen who do NOT accept the pension

As far as the other council folks. I’m pretty sure they are double dipping…. Doesn’t Donna Frye also have her own business?

[Coronita]

[quote=davelj][quote=flu][quote=davelj]

I’ve got a dumb question about this chart. Does this mean that, for example, Sherri Lightner could serve on the City Council for, say, 5 years and leave with a pension of $21K annually? So, she could pick up a “lifetime benefit” worth over $500K (or $100K per year of service) for serving on the City Council for a handful of years? Am I reading that correctly?[/quote]

Yup… though I believe the magic number is 8 years of service…for a lifetime pension of the listed amount. Todd Gloria (30ish has it made)….

Again, not sure I understand how “stressful/dangerous” this job could be….

Like i said, when/if I sell my company and semi- retire, I think I’m going to run for city council….[/quote]

Another dumb question. Is the city council a full-time job? I thought it was part-time. Why don’t they just pay these folks an extra $20K each year they’re on the city council and bag the retirement package altogether? All of these freaks are still going to run for office.[/quote]

Define full time. I seriously doubt these folks work even “work” 9-5 daily.

You folks should also take note of two councilmen…

Carl DeMaio and Kevin Faulconer are the only two councilmen who do NOT accept the pension

As far as the other council folks. I’m pretty sure they are double dipping…. Doesn’t Donna Frye also have her own business?

[Coronita]

[quote=davelj][quote=flu][quote=davelj]

I’ve got a dumb question about this chart. Does this mean that, for example, Sherri Lightner could serve on the City Council for, say, 5 years and leave with a pension of $21K annually? So, she could pick up a “lifetime benefit” worth over $500K (or $100K per year of service) for serving on the City Council for a handful of years? Am I reading that correctly?[/quote]

Yup… though I believe the magic number is 8 years of service…for a lifetime pension of the listed amount. Todd Gloria (30ish has it made)….

Again, not sure I understand how “stressful/dangerous” this job could be….

Like i said, when/if I sell my company and semi- retire, I think I’m going to run for city council….[/quote]

Another dumb question. Is the city council a full-time job? I thought it was part-time. Why don’t they just pay these folks an extra $20K each year they’re on the city council and bag the retirement package altogether? All of these freaks are still going to run for office.[/quote]

Define full time. I seriously doubt these folks work even “work” 9-5 daily.

You folks should also take note of two councilmen…

Carl DeMaio and Kevin Faulconer are the only two councilmen who do NOT accept the pension

As far as the other council folks. I’m pretty sure they are double dipping…. Doesn’t Donna Frye also have her own business?

[Coronita]

[quote=davelj][quote=flu][quote=davelj]

I’ve got a dumb question about this chart. Does this mean that, for example, Sherri Lightner could serve on the City Council for, say, 5 years and leave with a pension of $21K annually? So, she could pick up a “lifetime benefit” worth over $500K (or $100K per year of service) for serving on the City Council for a handful of years? Am I reading that correctly?[/quote]

Yup… though I believe the magic number is 8 years of service…for a lifetime pension of the listed amount. Todd Gloria (30ish has it made)….

Again, not sure I understand how “stressful/dangerous” this job could be….

Like i said, when/if I sell my company and semi- retire, I think I’m going to run for city council….[/quote]

Another dumb question. Is the city council a full-time job? I thought it was part-time. Why don’t they just pay these folks an extra $20K each year they’re on the city council and bag the retirement package altogether? All of these freaks are still going to run for office.[/quote]

Define full time. I seriously doubt these folks work even “work” 9-5 daily.

You folks should also take note of two councilmen…

Carl DeMaio and Kevin Faulconer are the only two councilmen who do NOT accept the pension

As far as the other council folks. I’m pretty sure they are double dipping…. Doesn’t Donna Frye also have her own business?

[Coronita]

[quote=jstoesz]Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?[/quote]

It’s obvious the issue. The older generation takes the benefits from the younger generation. Look no further than social security, medicare, and all the debt our younger generation is going to be saddled with….

[Coronita]

[quote=jstoesz]Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?[/quote]

It’s obvious the issue. The older generation takes the benefits from the younger generation. Look no further than social security, medicare, and all the debt our younger generation is going to be saddled with….

[Coronita]

[quote=jstoesz]Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?[/quote]

It’s obvious the issue. The older generation takes the benefits from the younger generation. Look no further than social security, medicare, and all the debt our younger generation is going to be saddled with….

[Coronita]

[quote=jstoesz]Back to the firemen compensation issue. I personally find this issue quite tragic. My sister in law’s husband is a newly minted firefighter soon to be let go by the city (if prop D) fails. He is not overly compensated…or not severely anyways. But the old timers are killing it for the new hires. But worse still is how the city is holding public safety over our heads instead of reforming with the money they have. What other choice does the public have, but call the politicians bluff?

Why do we have to go through this every few years?[/quote]

It’s obvious the issue. The older generation takes the benefits from the younger generation. Look no further than social security, medicare, and all the debt our younger generation is going to be saddled with….

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