ot: prostitution

[scaredyclassic]

hey, prostitutes are campaigning in nevada for ron paul!

PROSTITUTES BACK RON PAUL

[scaredyclassic]

the decriminalization of drugs or prostitution does not directly necessarily affect anyone’s daughter.

however, if your daughter is pretty, maybe she can rent herself out, have a baby and clear 46k a month. and not even be technically guilty of prostitution!

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/celebs-26594247/supermodel-wants-46-000-a-month-in-child-support-29173988.html

[scaredyclassic]

it probably makes good economic sense to unbundle sex from relationships. on a per-sex encounter, prostitutes are probably way cheaper than what the average guy spends ona girfriend or wife, especially later on in the relationship when the sex trails off.

childrearing could be done contractually, a partnership to conceive and raise. partners expectations would be clearer since set out in writing.

[sdduuuude]

Reading these responses, one would think that women get no fulfillment out of sex at all and the only reason they partake in it is to get something material out of it, unrelated to the actual act itself.

Well, maybe true for those women having sex with you guys, but for the ones having sex with me it’s a different story …

[outtamojo]

“Colombian hooker in Secret Service scandal says agents were idiots”

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_20550066/columbian-hooker-secret-service-scandal-says-agents-were

“Asked why she became a prostitute, Londono said “it’s an easy life” that would allow her to study and provide for her son. ”

Is Ron Paul popular in Columbia?

[Diego Mamani]

[quote=harvey]Because we are still clinging to the notion that some activities can be stopped by making laws against them.[/quote]
Exactly. It should have become entirely obvious that we simply can’t legislate morality. Doing drugs, gambling, or paying for sex may be “wrong,” but unless there’s an actual victim in this “crimes” then they really aren’t and should be decriminalized.

Making these activities “illegal” only contributes to create more crime (the opposite of what poorgradstudent says below).

[quote=poorgradstudent]My biggest concern about prostitution is it encourages kidnapping and trafficking.[/quote]
That’s only true because prostitution has artificially been made illegal. If it were not illegal, it would be regulated, transparent, etc. In any case, if the problem is kidnapping and trafficking, then we should prosecute and penalize the kidnappers and traffickers.

Similarly, cars are often used in bank robberies. Do we make cars illegal? No, because driving a car is not the problem, the bank robbing is the problem.

[quote=walterwhite]Human trafficking is probably a vanishingly small portion of paid sex encounters. Some housecleaners may have been procured under similar circa but we don’t criminalize housecleaning.[/quote]
Well put. Years back, a catholic friend of mine was against legalizing abortion. As he was running out of arguments, he said “but if it’s legal, then what’s to stop a woman from aborting on her own and jeopardizing her health?” I said, “what????”

One more: people who support the failed “drug on wars” and want to keep cocaine illegal often say “but if it’s legal, what’s to stop a school bus driver from going to work on drugs?” Again, how can people cloud and distort issues like that? What would be a crime here is driving under the influence, and worse so if the driver has passengers. But the use of cocaine per se, in the privacy of one’s house, would have no victims, and hence should not be criminalized.

[briansd1]

The problem is likely Judeo-Christian values.

The world’s most renowned and oldest sex classic, the Kamasutra, came from India during the third century. This ancient Hindu text is an encyclopedic inventory of information on seduction, aphrodisiacs, sexual positions and sexual pleasure. It is not just a science of sex, but also an art of living. Sex is consumed
with no guilt or shame since it is part of the quest for enlightenment. As sex unites
the body with spirituality, it is not incompatible with religious worship and religious
spaces.

The temples at Khajuraho contain the stone reliefs of the Kama Sutra, depicting a
profusion of sexual imagery in both number and variety. In the colonial period, the British found these sexual representations in the temples indecent, offensive and sacrilegious. Nevertheless, the Kama Sutra had close affinity with spirituality and its injunction to sexual experimentation has spawned off tantric sex cults in India, and has left a legacy of the worshipping of sexual organs in temples across Asian countries.

[kev374]

Prostitution being illegal is based on a religious aspect which is unacceptable. Whether it is bad or not is a moral issue and personal morality is none of the government’s business as long as both adults are fully consenting and there is no coercion.

Separation of church and state has not fully happened in this country unfortunately.

While I think solicitation on the street should be illegal because the street is a public place I think what two consenting people do in the privacy of their own homes is their constitutional right.

[scaredyclassic]

on the other hand….

if youd asked me last week, I would have answered, of course prostitution should be illegal. i’m not sure I could articulate why, but it was a gut reaction tomy instinct that paying for sex coarsens society. That it is just too “gross” to permit. And that somehow, like the posters who immediately brought concerns for their daughters into it, prostitution somehow made society a less good place for me directly. Not sure how exactly. Maybe in a way similar to people who oppose gay marriage. it just cheapens the whole act.

and now I feel like I was an idiot. I cannot even remember why i felt this way. I’ve never actually been to a prostitute, and I think I might be too shy or sensitive to others’ feeling to actually ever go to a prostitute, or if I did go to a prostitute, i don’t think I could actually get anything going, other than maybe a vigorous discussion on sexworkers’ lifestyles and rights. But that’s beside the point.

I think there may be some connection between being opposed to gay marriage and opposition to prostitution.

It was obvious to mainstream America that homosexuals were deviant, not really able to cnosent, and that they recruited from straight people. Homosexuality was loosely tied to pedophilia in that sense — that they were looking for youth to prey on. Thus, gays were a danger to straight America. it resonates today, in the lingering opposition to gay marriage as somhow threatening the rest of us.

If women have the right to control their own bodies for purposes of abortions, which are not unliekly to have serious emotional effects, and they have the right to have sex with any other consenting adult, it seems arguably reaosnable that women and men should have the right to also have sex with others for money.

I do however still feel that gambling should be illegal. It offends my sensibilities.

[scaredyclassic]

America can become financially stronger if we stop giving gifts ( a lot fo economic value is lost when people give unwanted gifts). perhaps the same is true of sex. prostitution may make the whole nation run way more efficiently.

i tried to change my signature to “i will squat 250 lbs by May 4 2013 with my butt hitting a bucket on each one of 5 reps for 5 sets or I will eat a can of Alpo dog food with no garnish.” but i couldnt get it to work. I may occasionally post my progress toward this goal. I started last september 2011, worked hard all year but had big trouble breaking through 135 lbs squat, recently just hit 175 pounds after struggling all year for small gains every week, and am feeling very confident about the remainder of 2012. 250 lbs seemed unimaginable when I first touched the bar in September 2011. Dream on!

[bearishgurl]

scaredy, I’m proud of you if you can now lift 250 lbs while squatting!

edit: just saw the last post. I think you’ll get there. Just keep it up!

[scaredyclassic]

I must get there.

Or I will have to eat a can of Alpo in front of my children.

AND I DO NOT WANT TO EAT A CAN OF ALPO.

I will be squatting 250 by next spring.

[scaredyclassic]

I read in a weightlifting philosophy book (NEVER LET GO, by dan john) that a good way to get yourself to do something specific and hard is to make an oath in front of others, like your family or internet chat groups, that you will eat a can of Alpo if you do not achieve the specific goal. the thought of eating the dog food may keep you on track. the positive aspects of squatting 250 (which I’m not actually really sure what they are, except my legs, back and ass will be stronger) are not really what keep people on track. it is fear of pain and humiliation. And so i pledged in front of my kids that i will dine upon Alpo next spring if I do not squat 250.

i think they’re pulling for the dog food.

[sdrealtor]

I just stopped looking for a new PC. I am looking forward to squatting now.

[scaredyclassic]

my kid did an imitation of me squatting that was utterly hilarious. we have a wheelchair just for recreational purposes out front. there we were, in the super bright bloom moon moonlight, him wheeling about, me turning beet red and sputtering out air and gasping. and after iw as thinking, these really are the days. these are the days.

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