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May 5, 2016 at 9:54 AM #797307May 5, 2016 at 11:07 AM #797308
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . This is a pretty good analysis of the trump base. Reading the papers is so enjoyable and interesting these days.
http://wapo.st/1rVRRPI
[/quote]Yes, it is, FIH. Quoting your article:… Yes, the country faces perplexing challenges, which Washington seems unable or unwilling to resolve. I would never tell denizens of a distressed factory town to shut up and count their blessings.
However, the U.S. economy, much healthier than it was in the recent past, is outperforming most of the industrial world; wages, at last, are ticking up. Trump’s legions do not consist entirely or even mostly of laid-off manufacturing workers and their friends and neighbors — that’s mathematically impossible.
In manufacturing-heavy Indiana, whose 5 percent unemployment rate, like that of the nation, is less than half what it was in December 2009, Trump won 60 percent of those making more than $100,000 per year and beat Cruz handily among college grads….
(emphasis mine)
Once again, I think you’re trying to categorize “Trump supporters” into neat little groups which fit your imagined description. I actually know Trump supporters whose annual pensions (indiv or hshld) exceed $60K and that’s not even including their “free” or “nearly free” healthplans, “free” Medicare Part B and D plans OR their other assets.
brian, if you feel you must do this to entertain yourself or make yourself feel okay about the outcome of the Republican “presumptive nominee,” then far be it for me to object. But just bear in mind that putting your hands over your ears and humming doesn’t make it “real.” :=0
May 5, 2016 at 11:21 AM #797309ParticipantI saw Clinton’s new ads on utube last night. They’re just a “cut and paste” job of stuff Trump has stated but mostly taken out of context with the background convo eliminated (questions which were asked of him or other party in the convo). OR, others attacking and insulting him of whom we must consider the source.
Ummm, not very creative. Trump could broadcast the exact same types of “attack ads” against Clinton and would undoubtedly have a field day with it cuz her political “history” is much, much longer than his ….. LOL
Please keep in mind that ALL is fair and love and politics and that it is NEVER over until the “fat lady” has performed at least 4 encores, all with standing ovations :=0
May 5, 2016 at 2:39 PM #797317FlyerInHi
GuestBG, I knew you would grab hold of the 100k part. The thing is that it’s the disaffected who are providing the momentum.
Pensions living on government largess voting for Trump. Pretty funny.
May 5, 2016 at 6:46 PM #797323Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, I knew you would grab hold of the 100k part. The thing is that it’s the disaffected who are providing the momentum.
Pensions living on government largess voting for Trump. Pretty funny.[/quote]Who said anything about government largess (sic)??
You’re a SD native, no? Haven’t you ever heard of PacBell, AT&T, SDG&E/Sempra Energy, Rohr Industries, Teledyne Ryan, PSA, General Dynamics/Convair, NASSCO or Raytheon?
Unless you were able to personally poll any of those Trump supporters you saw on the telly, you have no idea what their household income is … or where they retired from. I’m sorry if you aren’t/weren’t able to qualify for a pension.
May 5, 2016 at 7:07 PM #797325GuestBG, if you claim that trump supporters are well-off middle class Americans, then how do you explain their discontent? People who do well like the establishment.
I’m sure there are plenty who are doing well and they just like Trump’s message. But the demographics are clear: low-education, angry White voters got him to where he is.
I read reputable news articles and they all indicate the same.May 6, 2016 at 8:15 AM #797336livinincali
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, if you claim that trump supporters are well-off middle class Americans, then how do you explain their discontent? People who do well like the establishment.
[/quote]Not really. Most of us here can certainly make due with the establishment, but I don’t know that any of us is really happy with the lies, the bribes err campaign contributions, and excessive regulations (well at least those excessive regulations that effect us). I’m sure I can make due under Sanders, Clinton, Trump, even some Evangelical like Cruz.
The biggest issue facing the country is what we are going to do with the excessive expansion in Medical costs. Those cost increases are eventually going to bankrupt the country. I don’t have a lot of faith in any of the candidates to really do something about the medical monopoly problems but I think Trump probably has the best shot at doing something about it.
May 6, 2016 at 8:34 AM #797338GuestThe easiest way to stop medical cost growth is to cap health care at a percentage of GDP, not to allow unlimited choices. Simple concept business people should understand. But Republicans blocked that in Obamacare.
May 6, 2016 at 9:56 AM #797341Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]The easiest way to stop medical cost growth is to cap health care at a percentage of GDP, not to allow unlimited choices. Simple concept business people should understand. But Republicans blocked that in Obamacare.[/quote]
Have you even put an ounce of thought into how you would cap medical costs to a percentage of GDP? First you estimate GDP. Let’s say 15 trillion. Then we decide on a percentage let’s use 20%, we’re pretty close to that now (although most people would like to see it closer to 10%). So 3 trillion dollars. So now how do we manage every provider and payer so that we don’t exceed the $3 trillon limit. Let’s just do that the easiest way you can think of single payer. Doing it any other way would be next to impossible.
So now how do you manage the cap. Do you just stop paying people for providing services once the cap is reached for the year. Do you have to approve every elective procedure that anybody might want. Do you have to create a group to decide who can have what medical care and at what facility in order to manage this cap. It’s gets really hard really quickly doesn’t it.
Seems like it would be a lot easier if you just opened it up to competition. You can’t open a MRI imaging facility in San Diego even if you had the appropriate training and financing for the equipment. CON laws prevent you from doing that. Somebody can’t create an import export company that buys drugs for fractions of the price in India and then opens a pharmacy here.
That’s where the problem is the artificially reduced competition that pushes prices so high. The complete fraud in billing practices where hospitals can bill one patient a completely different amount that another patient for the same procedure. You do that in any other business you go to prison. If your a gas station owner and double the price of gas before a hurricane you go to jail. If you’re a hospital that’s completely fine.
May 6, 2016 at 11:02 AM #797342poorgradstudent
Participant[quote=livinincali]
Somebody can’t create an import export company that buys drugs for fractions of the price in India and then opens a pharmacy here.
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Thank god. As much as people like to take their lives into their own hands buying drugs in Mexico, the simple fact is many countries don’t have the same rigorous chain of custody requirements for drug products the US has. For something in a pressed pill format (i.e. viagara) this is less of an issue than for things like IV drugs that have requirements for storage.Even for pills chain of custody is important to ensure you’re getting what you think you’re getting. Bear in mind that something like half of imported olive oil is fake. If your “olive oil” is actually a cheaper oil… no big deal, right? But if your medicine isn’t what it’s supposed to be? That’s a huge issue.
May 6, 2016 at 11:37 AM #797343all
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=livinincali]
Somebody can’t create an import export company that buys drugs for fractions of the price in India and then opens a pharmacy here.
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Thank god. As much as people like to take their lives into their own hands buying drugs in Mexico, the simple fact is many countries don’t have the same rigorous chain of custody requirements for drug products the US has. For something in a pressed pill format (i.e. viagara) this is less of an issue than for things like IV drugs that have requirements for storage.Even for pills chain of custody is important to ensure you’re getting what you think you’re getting. Bear in mind that something like half of imported olive oil is fake. If your “olive oil” is actually a cheaper oil… no big deal, right? But if your medicine isn’t what it’s supposed to be? That’s a huge issue.[/quote]
Maybe Norway, or England?
Drug Medicare Norway England
Neulasta $3,620 $1,018 $1,072Edit: Google Why the U.S. Pays More Than Other Countries for Drugs to reach paywalled WSJ article.
May 6, 2016 at 11:59 AM #797344scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=livinincali]
Somebody can’t create an import export company that buys drugs for fractions of the price in India and then opens a pharmacy here.
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Thank god. As much as people like to take their lives into their own hands buying drugs in Mexico, the simple fact is many countries don’t have the same rigorous chain of custody requirements for drug products the US has. For something in a pressed pill format (i.e. viagara) this is less of an issue than for things like IV drugs that have requirements for storage.Even for pills chain of custody is important to ensure you’re getting what you think you’re getting. Bear in mind that something like half of imported olive oil is fake. If your “olive oil” is actually a cheaper oil… no big deal, right? But if your medicine isn’t what it’s supposed to be? That’s a huge issue.[/quote]
Olive oil is medicine.
May I recommend tememecula olive oil company oil? Avail online. Grown in aguanga. I’ve seen the operation. It’s the real stuff. Fresh. Date stamped on. I trust them.
Downside. Expensive. 20 bucks for 375ml.
https://www.temeculaoliveoil.com/#I use it anyway…to me it’s worth it. Cheaper than big pharma meds.
Fresh olive oil tastes radically different than generic supermkt oil, like Miller lite v. Pliny the elder
May 6, 2016 at 12:01 PM #797348dumbrenter
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=livinincali]
Somebody can’t create an import export company that buys drugs for fractions of the price in India and then opens a pharmacy here.
[/quote]
Thank god. As much as people like to take their lives into their own hands buying drugs in Mexico, the simple fact is many countries don’t have the same rigorous chain of custody requirements for drug products the US has. For something in a pressed pill format (i.e. viagara) this is less of an issue than for things like IV drugs that have requirements for storage.Even for pills chain of custody is important to ensure you’re getting what you think you’re getting. Bear in mind that something like half of imported olive oil is fake. If your “olive oil” is actually a cheaper oil… no big deal, right? But if your medicine isn’t what it’s supposed to be? That’s a huge issue.[/quote]
Ha! you trust your life with corrupt as hell FDA but not drugs from Mexico?
Are you sure there are stringent requirements or even if they are ‘rigorous’ here compared to other countries?Do you have proof by any measure of how safe drugs are here compared to EU or even Mexico?
It is exactly this liberal daddy-knows-better attitude or our FDA looks out for our bests interests that piss the voters off.
FDA works for their pharma customers, not you the american.May 6, 2016 at 12:32 PM #797349GuestLivinincali, we are not in disagreement. More competition, rationing for baseline insurance, less regulations, and make people pay a high deductible up a certain amount, annual cash back, etc…
I avoid the doctor for frivolous stuff because even though my deductible is low and I can get free meds by mail order pharmacy, I’m better off not taking pills.
May 7, 2016 at 8:38 AM #797363Guest[quote=scaredyclassic]
Olive oil is medicine.May I recommend tememecula olive oil company oil? Avail online. Grown in aguanga. I’ve seen the operation. It’s the real stuff. Fresh. Date stamped on. I trust them.
Downside. Expensive. 20 bucks for 375ml.
https://www.temeculaoliveoil.com/#I use it anyway…to me it’s worth it. Cheaper than big pharma meds.
Fresh olive oil tastes radically different than generic supermkt oil, like Miller lite v. Pliny the elder[/quote]
I rarely buy oil because I don’t need it…. But if olive oil is medicine then I might consider. You cannot let it get too old, right? What is shelf life?
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