OT: Predictions for 2016 Presidential Election

[SK in CV]

[quote=livinincali][quote=SK in CV]
Certainly, if he really wants more of a “socialist federally controlled country” and hates aspects of the constitution, he would have proposed legislation that supports those views. He hasn’t.
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Of course he has. He produced a variety of gun measures that run counter to the 2nd amendment. You may find those proposals well intentioned and they may be viewed favorably to the majority of the population, but they they should be considered an attack on the second amendment. Especially to the conservative right, which is the group accusing him of hating America.

He proposed Obamacare with a single payer option that didn’t materialize in the final law but that would have certainly brought the country closer to socialist federal controller republic. You may support that outcome but it doesn’t change what the result means. It means we become more socialistic and less capitalistic.

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If he’d actually produced a series of gun measures that run counter to the 2nd amendment, they’d be out there somewhere. He hasn’t. They aren’t. This is an example of the vicious lies that have been spread by his opponents. He doesn’t oppose the constitution. He doesn’t hate America. He isn’t Muslim. He wasn’t born in Kenya.

He did not propose Obamacare “with a single payer option that didn’t materialize”. There was no version of the law that included single-payer. And if there had been a proposal like that, it probably would have been similar to medicare. Medicare is not socialized medicine. Despite actual facts, these lies were spread by his opponents, even on this very site. Hundreds of lies about what was in the law. That you, a reasonably well read guy, thinks this shit really happened, is telling. No other president in modern times, has been a victim of this visceral hate that knows no bounds.

[SK in CV]

[quote=livinincali][quote=SK in CV]
I think the reason that people argue that he hates America is that they’re racist. They don’t like having a black president. So they’ve made up lies to hide that racism. He hasn’t divided the country. The country has divided itself. On one side, you have people that are quite comfortable having a black president. On the other side, you have people who hate the idea. That he hasn’t brought those two sides together doesn’t make him divisive. It just exposes the latent racism that has been here for centuries. That racism has manifested itself as the republican party of today. Sadly, it is the perfect match with the bill of goods sold by Ronald Reagan, that the government is broken, can’t fix anything, and is the source of the problem. 35 years after making the argument, they’ve proved it by both making sure it is broken, and now have a candidate that plays into both the racist fears and absolute certainty that the government can’t help.[/quote]

I’m sure real racism has something to do with it for some people. I do think hard working white people are getting tired of being accused of white privilege and racism every time some minority fails. I think the Social Justice crowd might be wise to tone down those accusations because at some point if you accuse somebody as being a racist all the time they might just decide to be a racist. What’s the point of denying it, might as well embrace it.[/quote]

Not only does racism have something to do with it, it is all it is. Exposing racism is not the same as racism. Exposing privilege is not an attack on hard working white people. Privilege is not individual racism. It is systemic racism. That anyone in this country believes that it doesn’t exist is the problem. The solution is not for negroes to be quiet about it, as you may wish. The solution is to eliminate it.

[zk]

[quote=SK in CV]
The solution is not for negroes to be quiet about it, as you may wish.[/quote]

A couple of excellent posts, SK. Your use of “negroes” there was a great touch that made me laugh.

[livinincali]

[quote=SK in CV]
He did not propose Obamacare “with a single payer option that didn’t materialize”. There was no version of the law that included single-payer. And if there had been a proposal like that, it probably would have been similar to medicare. Medicare is not socialized medicine. Despite actual facts, these lies were spread by his opponents, even on this very site. Hundreds of lies about what was in the law. That you, a reasonably well read guy, thinks this shit really happened, is telling. No other president in modern times, has been a victim of this visceral hate that knows no bounds.[/quote]

Well until Trump gets elected. Then it will even be worse.

[livinincali]

[quote=SK in CV]
Not only does racism have something to do with it, it is all it is. Exposing racism is not the same as racism. Exposing privilege is not an attack on hard working white people. Privilege is not individual racism. It is systemic racism. That anyone in this country believes that it doesn’t exist is the problem. The solution is not for negroes to be quiet about it, as you may wish. The solution is to eliminate it.[/quote]

What is a reasonable solution to eliminate it. Offer one up. There is some level of racism that exists in the country, but I don’t see how the privileged white person is going to walk into the minority community and just fix it for them. We’ve had at least a generation of affirmative action, welfare and anti-discrimination laws, in an effort to give them a hand up and it apparently hasn’t amounted to much since there’s still so much racism in this country. The minority community needs to do some really hard work to modify it’s culture and it’s priorities because “Thug Life” is never going to mesh business culture.

Certainly you need to improve the relationship between cops and minorities. Certainly you probably need to examine various drug laws and imprisonment associated with them. Put a highly educated excellent teacher in a room full of minorities and they don’t respect them because they ain’t from the hood. Who’s responsible for that problem.

Has anybody in the minority communities offered up real concrete minor things that would help them. The college protesters have called for banning offensive speech (who cares about the first amendment), special minority only spaces (gee lets just go back to segregation guys), and more departments/administrative staff dedicated to cultural diversity (college doesn’t cost enough already, although it’s probably a promotion opportunity for minority professors). Most of that sounds like they want to live in their own little bubble.

[zk]

[quote=livinincali]
The minority community needs to do some really hard work to modify it’s culture and it’s priorities because “Thug Life” is never going to mesh business culture.

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I agree with you on this.

The problem is that they’ll need help. And who’s going to help them? I think the government should, but they won’t. The government would have to say, “your culture is fucked up.” And the government won’t say that.

[Anonymous]

[quote=livinincali]Privilege is not individual racism. It is systemic racism. That anyone in this country believes that it doesn’t exist is the problem. The solution is not for negroes to be quiet about it, as you may wish. The solution is to eliminate it
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There is no such thing as systemic racism.

A group distinguished simply by its physical characteristics cannot be collectively guilty of racism or any other ethical transgression.

All acts of racism are committed by individuals – by people, not groups.

Anyone that argues that “white privilege” exists is a blatant racist.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=harvey][quote=livinincali]Privilege is not individual racism. It is systemic racism. That anyone in this country believes that it doesn’t exist is the problem. The solution is not for negroes to be quiet about it, as you may wish. The solution is to eliminate it
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There is no such thing as systemic racism.

A group distinguished simply by its physical characteristics cannot be collectively guilty of racism or any other ethical transgression.

All acts of racism are committed by individuals – by people, not groups.

Anyone that argues that “white privilege” exists is a blatant racist.[/quote]

So Jim Crow laws weren’t systemic racism?

[Anonymous]

[quote=poorgradstudent]So Jim Crow laws weren’t systemic racism?[/quote]

Of course Jim Crow laws were racist. They were specific laws that no longer exist.

You might want to look up the definition of systemic.

You might want to consider what most people really mean when they use the word in the context of racism.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=harvey][quote=poorgradstudent]So Jim Crow laws weren’t systemic racism?[/quote]

Of course Jim Crow laws were racist. They were specific laws that no longer exist.

You might want to look up the definition of systemic.

You might want to consider what most people really mean when they use the word in the context of racism.[/quote]

Jim crow laws were not merely racist, they were part if systemic racism, not just perpetrated by individuals, but by groups. So the issue is not whether systemic racism can exist. It definitely did in the past. The issue b is if and when it ended? Now, when exactly did it end, if it did? Was it March 9, 1969? Did it end abruptly or morph into other areas? Is it lessened in intensity or truly gone.

November 4, 1976?

[svelte]

Re: todays primaries.

Holy effin shit the republicans *have* went bat shit crazy!!!!

[an]

[quote=svelte]Re: todays primaries.

Holy effin shit the republicans *have* went bat shit crazy!!!![/quote]
+1

[ltsddd]

Rubio is done.
Kasich is done (mathematically) and should also drop out.

It’ll come down Cruz vs Trump. I think most of the Rubio and Kasich’s votes will go to the lesser of the two evils and that would be Cruz.

I’ll go out on the limb and say that Cruz will get the nomination.

[FlyerInHi]

If lots of individuals practice racism that also results in systemic racism.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=ltsdd]Rubio is done.
Kasich is done (mathematically) and should also drop out.

It’ll come down Cruz vs Trump. I think most of the Rubio and Kasich’s votes will go to the lesser of the two evils and that would be Cruz.

I’ll go out on the limb and say that Cruz will get the nomination.[/quote]

Sounds about right. But Kasich might want to stay in the race in case there’s a convention fight.

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