OT: Obama is dumber than a box of rocks

[NotCranky]

Oops didn’t mean to apply any psyops.

[NotCranky]

Oops didn’t mean to apply any psyops.

[NotCranky]

Oops didn’t mean to apply any psyops.

[NotCranky]

Oops didn’t mean to apply any psyops.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] You keep setting yourself up as having some level of expertise based on what amounts to one tour of duty in the very narrow universe of El Salvador. Be honest with yourself and face the fact that your connection with the Army was a long time ago, far, far away, and it didn’t last for very long.

Now I don’t wish to hit you too hard here, because I think you’re the right sort of fellow, just a bit limited by your limited experience. If you had been an officer, then you’d know something about the law of land warfare. And had you spent a full career, you might have a better idea of what you don’t know. You’re like the fellow who once took the bay ferry, and now wants to tell you of his life at sea. [/quote]

So, now we know what you think about AFF’s background. I give him a lot of credibility because he’s seen a lot and is fairly reasonable in his views which are, no doubt influenced and tempered by those experiences. You have consistently “name-dropped” about your own background but we don’t have much context for the how and why of your psychotic perspectives.

I clearly have not served. Euphemistically speaking, I have a membership to [take your pick of any] organization for the prevention of cruelty to animals. In other words, I don’t much support re war and violence. They have their place but are typically to be reserved as last resorts (and I try to teach my kids that lesson too, to make them better future adults). I think most people think more like me and less like some Rambo wannabe (without the moral superiority). If you think you are so goddamned righteous, give us a good look at where you are coming from. Instead of the tawdry crumbs of info you toss out to try to give your psychosis the air of informed normalcy.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] You keep setting yourself up as having some level of expertise based on what amounts to one tour of duty in the very narrow universe of El Salvador. Be honest with yourself and face the fact that your connection with the Army was a long time ago, far, far away, and it didn’t last for very long.

Now I don’t wish to hit you too hard here, because I think you’re the right sort of fellow, just a bit limited by your limited experience. If you had been an officer, then you’d know something about the law of land warfare. And had you spent a full career, you might have a better idea of what you don’t know. You’re like the fellow who once took the bay ferry, and now wants to tell you of his life at sea. [/quote]

So, now we know what you think about AFF’s background. I give him a lot of credibility because he’s seen a lot and is fairly reasonable in his views which are, no doubt influenced and tempered by those experiences. You have consistently “name-dropped” about your own background but we don’t have much context for the how and why of your psychotic perspectives.

I clearly have not served. Euphemistically speaking, I have a membership to [take your pick of any] organization for the prevention of cruelty to animals. In other words, I don’t much support re war and violence. They have their place but are typically to be reserved as last resorts (and I try to teach my kids that lesson too, to make them better future adults). I think most people think more like me and less like some Rambo wannabe (without the moral superiority). If you think you are so goddamned righteous, give us a good look at where you are coming from. Instead of the tawdry crumbs of info you toss out to try to give your psychosis the air of informed normalcy.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] You keep setting yourself up as having some level of expertise based on what amounts to one tour of duty in the very narrow universe of El Salvador. Be honest with yourself and face the fact that your connection with the Army was a long time ago, far, far away, and it didn’t last for very long.

Now I don’t wish to hit you too hard here, because I think you’re the right sort of fellow, just a bit limited by your limited experience. If you had been an officer, then you’d know something about the law of land warfare. And had you spent a full career, you might have a better idea of what you don’t know. You’re like the fellow who once took the bay ferry, and now wants to tell you of his life at sea. [/quote]

So, now we know what you think about AFF’s background. I give him a lot of credibility because he’s seen a lot and is fairly reasonable in his views which are, no doubt influenced and tempered by those experiences. You have consistently “name-dropped” about your own background but we don’t have much context for the how and why of your psychotic perspectives.

I clearly have not served. Euphemistically speaking, I have a membership to [take your pick of any] organization for the prevention of cruelty to animals. In other words, I don’t much support re war and violence. They have their place but are typically to be reserved as last resorts (and I try to teach my kids that lesson too, to make them better future adults). I think most people think more like me and less like some Rambo wannabe (without the moral superiority). If you think you are so goddamned righteous, give us a good look at where you are coming from. Instead of the tawdry crumbs of info you toss out to try to give your psychosis the air of informed normalcy.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] You keep setting yourself up as having some level of expertise based on what amounts to one tour of duty in the very narrow universe of El Salvador. Be honest with yourself and face the fact that your connection with the Army was a long time ago, far, far away, and it didn’t last for very long.

Now I don’t wish to hit you too hard here, because I think you’re the right sort of fellow, just a bit limited by your limited experience. If you had been an officer, then you’d know something about the law of land warfare. And had you spent a full career, you might have a better idea of what you don’t know. You’re like the fellow who once took the bay ferry, and now wants to tell you of his life at sea. [/quote]

So, now we know what you think about AFF’s background. I give him a lot of credibility because he’s seen a lot and is fairly reasonable in his views which are, no doubt influenced and tempered by those experiences. You have consistently “name-dropped” about your own background but we don’t have much context for the how and why of your psychotic perspectives.

I clearly have not served. Euphemistically speaking, I have a membership to [take your pick of any] organization for the prevention of cruelty to animals. In other words, I don’t much support re war and violence. They have their place but are typically to be reserved as last resorts (and I try to teach my kids that lesson too, to make them better future adults). I think most people think more like me and less like some Rambo wannabe (without the moral superiority). If you think you are so goddamned righteous, give us a good look at where you are coming from. Instead of the tawdry crumbs of info you toss out to try to give your psychosis the air of informed normalcy.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] You keep setting yourself up as having some level of expertise based on what amounts to one tour of duty in the very narrow universe of El Salvador. Be honest with yourself and face the fact that your connection with the Army was a long time ago, far, far away, and it didn’t last for very long.

Now I don’t wish to hit you too hard here, because I think you’re the right sort of fellow, just a bit limited by your limited experience. If you had been an officer, then you’d know something about the law of land warfare. And had you spent a full career, you might have a better idea of what you don’t know. You’re like the fellow who once took the bay ferry, and now wants to tell you of his life at sea. [/quote]

So, now we know what you think about AFF’s background. I give him a lot of credibility because he’s seen a lot and is fairly reasonable in his views which are, no doubt influenced and tempered by those experiences. You have consistently “name-dropped” about your own background but we don’t have much context for the how and why of your psychotic perspectives.

I clearly have not served. Euphemistically speaking, I have a membership to [take your pick of any] organization for the prevention of cruelty to animals. In other words, I don’t much support re war and violence. They have their place but are typically to be reserved as last resorts (and I try to teach my kids that lesson too, to make them better future adults). I think most people think more like me and less like some Rambo wannabe (without the moral superiority). If you think you are so goddamned righteous, give us a good look at where you are coming from. Instead of the tawdry crumbs of info you toss out to try to give your psychosis the air of informed normalcy.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Casca] You keep setting yourself up as having some level of expertise based on what amounts to one tour of duty in the very narrow universe of El Salvador. Be honest with yourself and face the fact that your connection with the Army was a long time ago, far, far away, and it didn’t last for very long.

Now I don’t wish to hit you too hard here, because I think you’re the right sort of fellow, just a bit limited by your limited experience. If you had been an officer, then you’d know something about the law of land warfare. And had you spent a full career, you might have a better idea of what you don’t know. You’re like the fellow who once took the bay ferry, and now wants to tell you of his life at sea. [/quote]

So, now we know what you think about AFF’s background. I give him a lot of credibility because he’s seen a lot and is fairly reasonable in his views which are, no doubt influenced and tempered by those experiences. You have consistently “name-dropped” about your own background but we don’t have much context for the how and why of your psychotic perspectives.

I clearly have not served. Euphemistically speaking, I have a membership to [take your pick of any] organization for the prevention of cruelty to animals. In other words, I don’t much support re war and violence. They have their place but are typically to be reserved as last resorts (and I try to teach my kids that lesson too, to make them better future adults). I think most people think more like me and less like some Rambo wannabe (without the moral superiority). If you think you are so goddamned righteous, give us a good look at where you are coming from. Instead of the tawdry crumbs of info you toss out to try to give your psychosis the air of informed normalcy.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Casca: You make a couple of excellent points, and I agree that excising certain aspects is in order.

By the way, “Wonton” is a soup. I believe you were looking for “wanton”.

As I mentioned in my posting, yes, there is a good deal of difference between interrogation and torture. Stress techniques, including psyops, do not qualify as torture to me.

I find it somewhat repellent that you use the term “gold standard” when referring to the SD. Whatever respective differences that might exist between us, let me be clear when I say that anything having to do with the Nazi regime is abhorrent to me. That you find something noteworthy in how they and the Gestapo conduct torture is unconscionable, but it’s also your business.

Any violent methods used to extract or extort information or intel is torture in my book. While you might consider wanton brutality against civilians and non-combatants not to be torture is splitting hairs in my opinion. Brutal it might be, but it is also torture in my opinion. Making parents watch while soldiers nail a baby’s head to a wall is torture: The act was designed to force the witnesses to talk and it was done with that explicit understanding. Thus, brutality and torture are not mutually exclusive; in many instances they are one and the same thing.

As to my little “jaunt” through Central America: I was there for three years (1985 – 1988) and during some of the hottest periods of the conflict. It was not a limited tour by any stretch of the imagination, and I have the nightmares to prove it.

I don’t know your background, but I do take issue with those that advocate war and all of it’s terrible effects, but are unwilling to do any of the heavy lifting. Like I said, my abhorrence is based on personal experience, not something derived from my readings in the comfort of home and hearth.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Casca: You make a couple of excellent points, and I agree that excising certain aspects is in order.

By the way, “Wonton” is a soup. I believe you were looking for “wanton”.

As I mentioned in my posting, yes, there is a good deal of difference between interrogation and torture. Stress techniques, including psyops, do not qualify as torture to me.

I find it somewhat repellent that you use the term “gold standard” when referring to the SD. Whatever respective differences that might exist between us, let me be clear when I say that anything having to do with the Nazi regime is abhorrent to me. That you find something noteworthy in how they and the Gestapo conduct torture is unconscionable, but it’s also your business.

Any violent methods used to extract or extort information or intel is torture in my book. While you might consider wanton brutality against civilians and non-combatants not to be torture is splitting hairs in my opinion. Brutal it might be, but it is also torture in my opinion. Making parents watch while soldiers nail a baby’s head to a wall is torture: The act was designed to force the witnesses to talk and it was done with that explicit understanding. Thus, brutality and torture are not mutually exclusive; in many instances they are one and the same thing.

As to my little “jaunt” through Central America: I was there for three years (1985 – 1988) and during some of the hottest periods of the conflict. It was not a limited tour by any stretch of the imagination, and I have the nightmares to prove it.

I don’t know your background, but I do take issue with those that advocate war and all of it’s terrible effects, but are unwilling to do any of the heavy lifting. Like I said, my abhorrence is based on personal experience, not something derived from my readings in the comfort of home and hearth.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Casca: You make a couple of excellent points, and I agree that excising certain aspects is in order.

By the way, “Wonton” is a soup. I believe you were looking for “wanton”.

As I mentioned in my posting, yes, there is a good deal of difference between interrogation and torture. Stress techniques, including psyops, do not qualify as torture to me.

I find it somewhat repellent that you use the term “gold standard” when referring to the SD. Whatever respective differences that might exist between us, let me be clear when I say that anything having to do with the Nazi regime is abhorrent to me. That you find something noteworthy in how they and the Gestapo conduct torture is unconscionable, but it’s also your business.

Any violent methods used to extract or extort information or intel is torture in my book. While you might consider wanton brutality against civilians and non-combatants not to be torture is splitting hairs in my opinion. Brutal it might be, but it is also torture in my opinion. Making parents watch while soldiers nail a baby’s head to a wall is torture: The act was designed to force the witnesses to talk and it was done with that explicit understanding. Thus, brutality and torture are not mutually exclusive; in many instances they are one and the same thing.

As to my little “jaunt” through Central America: I was there for three years (1985 – 1988) and during some of the hottest periods of the conflict. It was not a limited tour by any stretch of the imagination, and I have the nightmares to prove it.

I don’t know your background, but I do take issue with those that advocate war and all of it’s terrible effects, but are unwilling to do any of the heavy lifting. Like I said, my abhorrence is based on personal experience, not something derived from my readings in the comfort of home and hearth.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Casca: You make a couple of excellent points, and I agree that excising certain aspects is in order.

By the way, “Wonton” is a soup. I believe you were looking for “wanton”.

As I mentioned in my posting, yes, there is a good deal of difference between interrogation and torture. Stress techniques, including psyops, do not qualify as torture to me.

I find it somewhat repellent that you use the term “gold standard” when referring to the SD. Whatever respective differences that might exist between us, let me be clear when I say that anything having to do with the Nazi regime is abhorrent to me. That you find something noteworthy in how they and the Gestapo conduct torture is unconscionable, but it’s also your business.

Any violent methods used to extract or extort information or intel is torture in my book. While you might consider wanton brutality against civilians and non-combatants not to be torture is splitting hairs in my opinion. Brutal it might be, but it is also torture in my opinion. Making parents watch while soldiers nail a baby’s head to a wall is torture: The act was designed to force the witnesses to talk and it was done with that explicit understanding. Thus, brutality and torture are not mutually exclusive; in many instances they are one and the same thing.

As to my little “jaunt” through Central America: I was there for three years (1985 – 1988) and during some of the hottest periods of the conflict. It was not a limited tour by any stretch of the imagination, and I have the nightmares to prove it.

I don’t know your background, but I do take issue with those that advocate war and all of it’s terrible effects, but are unwilling to do any of the heavy lifting. Like I said, my abhorrence is based on personal experience, not something derived from my readings in the comfort of home and hearth.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Casca: You make a couple of excellent points, and I agree that excising certain aspects is in order.

By the way, “Wonton” is a soup. I believe you were looking for “wanton”.

As I mentioned in my posting, yes, there is a good deal of difference between interrogation and torture. Stress techniques, including psyops, do not qualify as torture to me.

I find it somewhat repellent that you use the term “gold standard” when referring to the SD. Whatever respective differences that might exist between us, let me be clear when I say that anything having to do with the Nazi regime is abhorrent to me. That you find something noteworthy in how they and the Gestapo conduct torture is unconscionable, but it’s also your business.

Any violent methods used to extract or extort information or intel is torture in my book. While you might consider wanton brutality against civilians and non-combatants not to be torture is splitting hairs in my opinion. Brutal it might be, but it is also torture in my opinion. Making parents watch while soldiers nail a baby’s head to a wall is torture: The act was designed to force the witnesses to talk and it was done with that explicit understanding. Thus, brutality and torture are not mutually exclusive; in many instances they are one and the same thing.

As to my little “jaunt” through Central America: I was there for three years (1985 – 1988) and during some of the hottest periods of the conflict. It was not a limited tour by any stretch of the imagination, and I have the nightmares to prove it.

I don’t know your background, but I do take issue with those that advocate war and all of it’s terrible effects, but are unwilling to do any of the heavy lifting. Like I said, my abhorrence is based on personal experience, not something derived from my readings in the comfort of home and hearth.

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