OT: Obama is dumber than a box of rocks

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Dan,

I need to clarify what I mean by leftists, as the word and the movement can sometimes get tangled. When I say leftist, I am speaking of the “red diaper baby” radicals of the 1960s. When I say liberal, I mean those that are not radical and/or reactionary.

I am an arch-conservative Republican, but have no truck with the latest iteration of the Republican Party. Dubya is not a conservative Republican to me, and his policies and politics show that. Nor is McCain, for that matter. Obama remains something of a cipher to me, largely because there is not enough history behind him and, beyond the beautiful rhetoric, I have been unable to really seize onto anything of substance.

Why do I find the radical Left (capital “L”) contemptible? Because they represent the worst excesses of an elitist intelligentsia that is completely divorced from any sort of objective reality. I used Susan Sontag as an example for a reason. I would include Ward Churchill, Gore Vidal and even Janeane Garofalo in there as well. From the PC movement to the politics of identity, you smell the strong odor of Soviet groupthink and intellectual fascism. Those who control the language do control the culture, and these people have done everything in their power to stifle dissent and debate and impose a monolithic mindset that demands conformity at the risk of ostracism, or worse.

So we’re clear: I would turn to the other end of the spectrum and include Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh also. The Far Right is not immune from the same sort of moral infantilism, it just smells differently.

I find Iran dangerous solely because of the volatility of the region. Iran’s president is bent on provocation and with Israel’s history of hair trigger responses, you run the very real risk of a rapid escalation that moves beyond any one player’s ability to control things.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=jficquette][quote=toots]Wow, thanks everyone. I read things I had not considered about Obama. Don’t know if they’re all true, but it’s worth thinking about

So, I have read here lots of reasons why I shouldn’t vote for Obama, but not too much about why I should vote for McCain. Because he’s white and patriotic?

Enlighten me more. I’m listening.

ps someone please tell me why right-wingers keep saying liberals are not patriotic? Because we hate this war? My husband and I and all our friends are liberal, and we all love our country.[/quote]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??

Liberals talk that love but having a Joke like Obama as the torch bearer says otherwise.

John
[/quote]
I think it would be fair to say that patriotism means different things to different people. I also think it is fair to ask people claiming patriotism to back that up.

I think it is fair to ask Toots what she means.

On that note: John, how (other than obvious hate of enemies and naysayers) does your love of country manifest? You have shown love for and affinity toward some of the current parts of government. As I stated earlier, I am liberal and not radical. I distrust Bush as I distrust Castro. After spending time in Cuba, I feel more certain about that then ever that this is an experience that lots of people share globally. They love their country, they believe that their leaders love the country, and they distrust their leaders.
Again, not looking to fight but curious to explore what that love of country means as an experience.
(Honestly, how often do I actually request that conservatives hold forth?)

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=jficquette][quote=toots]Wow, thanks everyone. I read things I had not considered about Obama. Don’t know if they’re all true, but it’s worth thinking about

So, I have read here lots of reasons why I shouldn’t vote for Obama, but not too much about why I should vote for McCain. Because he’s white and patriotic?

Enlighten me more. I’m listening.

ps someone please tell me why right-wingers keep saying liberals are not patriotic? Because we hate this war? My husband and I and all our friends are liberal, and we all love our country.[/quote]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??

Liberals talk that love but having a Joke like Obama as the torch bearer says otherwise.

John
[/quote]
I think it would be fair to say that patriotism means different things to different people. I also think it is fair to ask people claiming patriotism to back that up.

I think it is fair to ask Toots what she means.

On that note: John, how (other than obvious hate of enemies and naysayers) does your love of country manifest? You have shown love for and affinity toward some of the current parts of government. As I stated earlier, I am liberal and not radical. I distrust Bush as I distrust Castro. After spending time in Cuba, I feel more certain about that then ever that this is an experience that lots of people share globally. They love their country, they believe that their leaders love the country, and they distrust their leaders.
Again, not looking to fight but curious to explore what that love of country means as an experience.
(Honestly, how often do I actually request that conservatives hold forth?)

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=jficquette][quote=toots]Wow, thanks everyone. I read things I had not considered about Obama. Don’t know if they’re all true, but it’s worth thinking about

So, I have read here lots of reasons why I shouldn’t vote for Obama, but not too much about why I should vote for McCain. Because he’s white and patriotic?

Enlighten me more. I’m listening.

ps someone please tell me why right-wingers keep saying liberals are not patriotic? Because we hate this war? My husband and I and all our friends are liberal, and we all love our country.[/quote]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??

Liberals talk that love but having a Joke like Obama as the torch bearer says otherwise.

John
[/quote]
I think it would be fair to say that patriotism means different things to different people. I also think it is fair to ask people claiming patriotism to back that up.

I think it is fair to ask Toots what she means.

On that note: John, how (other than obvious hate of enemies and naysayers) does your love of country manifest? You have shown love for and affinity toward some of the current parts of government. As I stated earlier, I am liberal and not radical. I distrust Bush as I distrust Castro. After spending time in Cuba, I feel more certain about that then ever that this is an experience that lots of people share globally. They love their country, they believe that their leaders love the country, and they distrust their leaders.
Again, not looking to fight but curious to explore what that love of country means as an experience.
(Honestly, how often do I actually request that conservatives hold forth?)

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=jficquette][quote=toots]Wow, thanks everyone. I read things I had not considered about Obama. Don’t know if they’re all true, but it’s worth thinking about

So, I have read here lots of reasons why I shouldn’t vote for Obama, but not too much about why I should vote for McCain. Because he’s white and patriotic?

Enlighten me more. I’m listening.

ps someone please tell me why right-wingers keep saying liberals are not patriotic? Because we hate this war? My husband and I and all our friends are liberal, and we all love our country.[/quote]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??

Liberals talk that love but having a Joke like Obama as the torch bearer says otherwise.

John
[/quote]
I think it would be fair to say that patriotism means different things to different people. I also think it is fair to ask people claiming patriotism to back that up.

I think it is fair to ask Toots what she means.

On that note: John, how (other than obvious hate of enemies and naysayers) does your love of country manifest? You have shown love for and affinity toward some of the current parts of government. As I stated earlier, I am liberal and not radical. I distrust Bush as I distrust Castro. After spending time in Cuba, I feel more certain about that then ever that this is an experience that lots of people share globally. They love their country, they believe that their leaders love the country, and they distrust their leaders.
Again, not looking to fight but curious to explore what that love of country means as an experience.
(Honestly, how often do I actually request that conservatives hold forth?)

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=jficquette][quote=toots]Wow, thanks everyone. I read things I had not considered about Obama. Don’t know if they’re all true, but it’s worth thinking about

So, I have read here lots of reasons why I shouldn’t vote for Obama, but not too much about why I should vote for McCain. Because he’s white and patriotic?

Enlighten me more. I’m listening.

ps someone please tell me why right-wingers keep saying liberals are not patriotic? Because we hate this war? My husband and I and all our friends are liberal, and we all love our country.[/quote]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??

Liberals talk that love but having a Joke like Obama as the torch bearer says otherwise.

John
[/quote]
I think it would be fair to say that patriotism means different things to different people. I also think it is fair to ask people claiming patriotism to back that up.

I think it is fair to ask Toots what she means.

On that note: John, how (other than obvious hate of enemies and naysayers) does your love of country manifest? You have shown love for and affinity toward some of the current parts of government. As I stated earlier, I am liberal and not radical. I distrust Bush as I distrust Castro. After spending time in Cuba, I feel more certain about that then ever that this is an experience that lots of people share globally. They love their country, they believe that their leaders love the country, and they distrust their leaders.
Again, not looking to fight but curious to explore what that love of country means as an experience.
(Honestly, how often do I actually request that conservatives hold forth?)

[Butleroftwo]

Gandalf, it’s nice to blog with you too. Your IQ is easy to figure out once you touch the keyboard. I leave piggington for a day and look what happens.
To spell it out to your reduced capacity brain, I implied that Obama has not earned a position in the White House. Charisma and a lot of loose “Change” are not my requirements for the Presidency.
He has been handed everything in his life. Somehow he went to some of the best schools in the world. He was given all of his political achievements and now expects to walk right into the White House. My beef with him is that his bubble is built on rhetoric.
I would pick a candidate that I respect. My respect has to be earned by experience and character. He has neither. Quit typing about unrelated subjects and describe Obama to me. You suck by the way.

[Butleroftwo]

Gandalf, it’s nice to blog with you too. Your IQ is easy to figure out once you touch the keyboard. I leave piggington for a day and look what happens.
To spell it out to your reduced capacity brain, I implied that Obama has not earned a position in the White House. Charisma and a lot of loose “Change” are not my requirements for the Presidency.
He has been handed everything in his life. Somehow he went to some of the best schools in the world. He was given all of his political achievements and now expects to walk right into the White House. My beef with him is that his bubble is built on rhetoric.
I would pick a candidate that I respect. My respect has to be earned by experience and character. He has neither. Quit typing about unrelated subjects and describe Obama to me. You suck by the way.

[Butleroftwo]

Gandalf, it’s nice to blog with you too. Your IQ is easy to figure out once you touch the keyboard. I leave piggington for a day and look what happens.
To spell it out to your reduced capacity brain, I implied that Obama has not earned a position in the White House. Charisma and a lot of loose “Change” are not my requirements for the Presidency.
He has been handed everything in his life. Somehow he went to some of the best schools in the world. He was given all of his political achievements and now expects to walk right into the White House. My beef with him is that his bubble is built on rhetoric.
I would pick a candidate that I respect. My respect has to be earned by experience and character. He has neither. Quit typing about unrelated subjects and describe Obama to me. You suck by the way.

[Butleroftwo]

Gandalf, it’s nice to blog with you too. Your IQ is easy to figure out once you touch the keyboard. I leave piggington for a day and look what happens.
To spell it out to your reduced capacity brain, I implied that Obama has not earned a position in the White House. Charisma and a lot of loose “Change” are not my requirements for the Presidency.
He has been handed everything in his life. Somehow he went to some of the best schools in the world. He was given all of his political achievements and now expects to walk right into the White House. My beef with him is that his bubble is built on rhetoric.
I would pick a candidate that I respect. My respect has to be earned by experience and character. He has neither. Quit typing about unrelated subjects and describe Obama to me. You suck by the way.

[Butleroftwo]

Gandalf, it’s nice to blog with you too. Your IQ is easy to figure out once you touch the keyboard. I leave piggington for a day and look what happens.
To spell it out to your reduced capacity brain, I implied that Obama has not earned a position in the White House. Charisma and a lot of loose “Change” are not my requirements for the Presidency.
He has been handed everything in his life. Somehow he went to some of the best schools in the world. He was given all of his political achievements and now expects to walk right into the White House. My beef with him is that his bubble is built on rhetoric.
I would pick a candidate that I respect. My respect has to be earned by experience and character. He has neither. Quit typing about unrelated subjects and describe Obama to me. You suck by the way.

[JerseyGrl]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??….

I guess that’s a fair question.

I am a registered voter, and have voted in every election since I have been old enough.

I pay my taxes. Quite a lot in taxes.

If I had a place to hang the flag on holdiays, like my parents did when I was growing up, I would.

I haven’t broken any laws or ever been in jail so you could call me a law abiding citizen. Is that patriotic?

I’ve never attended a “peace rally” or gone to jail for civil disobedience.

I don’t like the Dixie Chicks

Would I be more patriotic if I got a lapel pin, or put a “support our troops” sticker on my car ( a 20 year old Volvo; maybe a Ford would be more patriotic)?

Am I taunting you? At the risk of regretting it, I am going to click the save button……

[JerseyGrl]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??….

I guess that’s a fair question.

I am a registered voter, and have voted in every election since I have been old enough.

I pay my taxes. Quite a lot in taxes.

If I had a place to hang the flag on holdiays, like my parents did when I was growing up, I would.

I haven’t broken any laws or ever been in jail so you could call me a law abiding citizen. Is that patriotic?

I’ve never attended a “peace rally” or gone to jail for civil disobedience.

I don’t like the Dixie Chicks

Would I be more patriotic if I got a lapel pin, or put a “support our troops” sticker on my car ( a 20 year old Volvo; maybe a Ford would be more patriotic)?

Am I taunting you? At the risk of regretting it, I am going to click the save button……

[JerseyGrl]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??….

I guess that’s a fair question.

I am a registered voter, and have voted in every election since I have been old enough.

I pay my taxes. Quite a lot in taxes.

If I had a place to hang the flag on holdiays, like my parents did when I was growing up, I would.

I haven’t broken any laws or ever been in jail so you could call me a law abiding citizen. Is that patriotic?

I’ve never attended a “peace rally” or gone to jail for civil disobedience.

I don’t like the Dixie Chicks

Would I be more patriotic if I got a lapel pin, or put a “support our troops” sticker on my car ( a 20 year old Volvo; maybe a Ford would be more patriotic)?

Am I taunting you? At the risk of regretting it, I am going to click the save button……

[JerseyGrl]

How does your love for the country manifest itself??….

I guess that’s a fair question.

I am a registered voter, and have voted in every election since I have been old enough.

I pay my taxes. Quite a lot in taxes.

If I had a place to hang the flag on holdiays, like my parents did when I was growing up, I would.

I haven’t broken any laws or ever been in jail so you could call me a law abiding citizen. Is that patriotic?

I’ve never attended a “peace rally” or gone to jail for civil disobedience.

I don’t like the Dixie Chicks

Would I be more patriotic if I got a lapel pin, or put a “support our troops” sticker on my car ( a 20 year old Volvo; maybe a Ford would be more patriotic)?

Am I taunting you? At the risk of regretting it, I am going to click the save button……

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